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SULAN BARHIR	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:20:00 - [1] Edited by: SULAN BARHIR on 08/09/2005 19:20:39 Edited by: SULAN BARHIR on 08/09/2005 19:20:04 So you heard it, everyone who wants the Thorax left alone say something here. We don't want CCP to think that there is no one in the universe that loves the ship. The Thorax can't be powerfull by itself anyway, it needs a very very skillfull pilot to fly it. Death to the whiners! *Don't get in my Hit List. It's hard to get out.*
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:25:00 - [2] i fly one... but if ccp think its superior.. let it be nerfed.. Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Katsumoto	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:28:00 - [3] Don't touch my rax! Force Of Evil [email protected] "If i was in world war two they'd call me spitfire."
jbob2000	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:30:00 - [4] Dont nerf it, boost the other cruisers/nerf plates. Not that i use plates on my thoraxes anyways. But yeah, this is a great ship.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:32:00 - [5] plz dont nefr thorax
Caldorous	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:34:00 - [6] Edited by: Caldorous on 08/09/2005 19:34:00 It costed me 4 thoraxes before starting to understand how to use it (although one was lost to pirates while mining ) so... yea ----------------------------- 2005.03.13 01:11:29combatYour 350mm Railgun I perfectly strikes Asteroid (Veldspar), wrecking for 0.0 damage.
SULAN BARHIR	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:35:00 - [7] One more thing, even if someone puts a 1600mm plate on the Thorax, it's not too pwerfull for the price. Anyone checked the price for a decent 1600mm plate lately? With all the decent stuff attached to a Thorax, the original value of the ship is easily more than doubled. So it's not a 8 mil isk ship anymore, it is? *Don't get in my Hit List. It's hard to get out.*
Meridius	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:36:00 - [8] Edited by: Meridius on 08/09/2005 19:37:25 Yeah don't nerf it insert selfish illogical reasoning here. ________________________________________________________
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:36:00 - [9] Originally by: SULAN BARHIR Death to the whiners! Lobbying > Whining tbh. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read.
Skva	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:41:00 - [10] I don't think it's needs nerfing, I think all other top level cruisers need to be buffed up a bit.
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:48:00 - [11] The Sum of All Fears. I love the 'rax btw. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.09.08 19:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Skva I don't think it's needs nerfing, I think all other top level cruisers need to be buffed up a bit. Buffed up as in they all get a larger than battleship drone bay as well? ------ FERRET DEMOCRACY
fisho	Posted - 2005.09.08 22:14:00 - [13] I'm a Gallente pilot, I have pretty much maxed out skills in drones, cruisers and small/medium guns. I love the thorax and would not want it to be nerfed, but I can see that it does DESERVE to be. ATM it is way to over powered compared to other cruisers. The easiest way to recognise this is by the sheer number of pwopel who fly them atm. Examples of this was when everyman and his dog flew gankageddons, or the dual AB Maller.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.09.08 22:29:00 - [14] Originally by: fisho I'm a Gallente pilot, I have pretty much maxed out skills in drones, cruisers and small/medium guns. I love the thorax and would not want it to be nerfed, but I can see that it does DESERVE to be. ATM it is way to over powered compared to other cruisers. The easiest way to recognise this is by the sheer number of pwopel who fly them atm. Examples of this was when everyman and his dog flew gankageddons, or the dual AB Maller. Posts like these are the most important imo and i've seen quite a few them. Dedicated Gallente pilots that recognize the imbalance. ________________________________________________________
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.09.08 22:31:00 - [15] The Thorax does not need to be nerfed, the other cruisers need to be boosted. The 'rax is a useful ship, almost all other cruisers are not. Why does this make people think 'nerf thorax' instead of 'boost everything else'? _________ I'm going to kill you in the face!
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.09.08 22:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Nero Scuro The Thorax does not need to be nerfed, the other cruisers need to be boosted. The 'rax is a useful ship, almost all other cruisers are not. Why does this make people think 'nerf thorax' instead of 'boost everything else'? You know, there is something fundamentally right, and wrong, in this statement. The thorax has got over all the other cruisers a lot more damage, so boosting all the other cruisers in damage will not make them more survivable. More damage = overall less survivability. All cruisers lack survivability, not damage, that's why they fit the plate and use less damaging guns (frig guns without bonuses). The boost other cruisers need is more hp/lower sig radius, more speed/agility, more pg/cpu to fit a decent tank and some good guns, not the enormous damage of the thorax or even a share of it. They need a boost, just not a damage boost. Meh. I though we had done with that. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read.
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.09.08 22:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Naughty Boy Originally by: Nero Scuro The Thorax does not need to be nerfed, the other cruisers need to be boosted. The 'rax is a useful ship, almost all other cruisers are not. Why does this make people think 'nerf thorax' instead of 'boost everything else'? You know, there is something fundamentally right, and wrong, in this statement. The thorax has got over all the other cruisers a lot more damage, so boosting all the other cruisers in damage will not make them more survivable. More damage = overall less survivability. All cruisers lack survivability, not damage, that's why they fit the plate and use less damaging guns (frig guns without bonuses). The boost other cruisers need is more hp/lower sig radius, more speed/agility, more pg/cpu to fit a decent tank and some good guns, not the enormous damage of the thorax or even a share of it. They need a boost, just not a damage boost. Meh. I though we had done with that. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. I didn't say 'damage boost', I said 'boost'. And I didn't say they should all be like the 'rax. But uh, yeah, you're right. _________ I'm going to kill you in the face!
Justice Bringer	Posted - 2005.09.08 22:55:00 - [18] T-Rax is a great ship, only with great skills. For all those whiners that think it's too tough, Just Get One . PS: I would like A bigger drone bay so i can fit 10 heavy drones. Thanks CCP.
Linavin	Posted - 2005.09.08 23:00:00 - [19] The rax is good for all the wrong reasons, you should be doing you damage with blasters and rails, not heavy drones, especally on the deticated gallente turret cruiser
Saicon	Posted - 2005.09.08 23:06:00 - [20] Thorax is great for gate camps I found out because you get all the final blows . Originally by: Necrologic This made me laugh so hard cottage cheese came out of my nose. More disturbingly, i wasn't eating cottage cheese at the time.
Mr Floppyknickers	Posted - 2005.09.09 04:38:00 - [21] to CCP: Please leave my ship alone. And everyone else: issue1: it has a bigger drone bay than some BS's! response: Really, which BS's? You mean that non gallente BS over there? The one flown by a race that doesn't favor drones over other things? That race that gets to fly ships suited to their races style? Hmm, but doesn't that BS have more grid, more mounts, can use missles, have more cargo capactity, need i go on. The rax is supposed to have more drones, supposed to, get over it. On a side note however, I do believe the drone bay on the vexor should be doubled. That would probably get more people flying that ship instead of the rax. Issue 2: The rax xan fit a 1600MM plate and that makes it too tough because it can use junky weapons, tank damage and use it's oversized dronebay from issue 1 to kill everything in eve! The end is NIGH! response: Not everyone fits the damn plate. I have twice, once for a mission involving nasty sentries and once to gank an AF at a station who though i'd come out in a hauler. ( i was a pvp nublet and didn't know it was overkill ) but the easy solution to this is make the 1600m plates, and the 1600's only, BS fitable. wow that was easy. issue 3: The ship deserves to be nerfed because ::insert whiney, self serving, illogical, emotional reason here:: response: So what! Anyone can come up with any reason to have every ship in the game nerfed to uselessness just because someone doesn't like that a ship can do something theres can't, or that ship blew thiers up once, or they just don't like the design etc, etc, etc,.. People, you need to learn to let it go. Are there hoards of raxes wanding the galaxies destroying all they see? No. No ship in the game needs to be nerfed, or likely ever needed to be nerfed, but someone doesn't like that ship for whatever reasons, whines about it, get's other people who've never flown the damn ship whipped into a nerfing frenzy and next thing you know theres a CCP nerf in response to a few vocal players in the minority being completely self centered in their desire to have their ship be a better ship than anyone elses. Now lets say a nerf is unavoidable, fine. Give the rax more grid 150ish and and extra med to compensate and you can take the bay and stuff it. But then someone will come along and even without the extra grid or med slot and still cry fould that the rax is too powerfull. It nerver ends. Look, my fellow capsuleers, if you feel a ship is too powefull, l33t, etc.. and no one shall stand before it and live, don't cry for a nerf! Fly the damn thing! What's this I hear? "Floppy, if everyone flies the same ship eve will be no fun!" Well what do you think nerfing will bring about? Ships are not supposed to be compared to each other side by side as they are meant for different tactics, playstyles, tastes. If you're current race ships doesn't suit your abilities or style, it's not someone elses fault or some ships fault. And nerfing nerfing nerfing will only result in a galaxy full of the same ship with different hulls. So lets let it go people, let it go....
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.09.09 04:55:00 - [22] Dear CCP, Please don't nerf my Thorax. It can only do twice the damage of a gank-setup Tech 1 Cruiser while having over 5000 hit points and 4 active hardners fitted. Its not overpowered I swear! -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Mr Floppyknickers	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:04:00 - [23] K, prove it. Lets see your tests data, damage numbers, comparisions to all other cruisers over all ranges vs all weapon types and tactics. It's easy to pop in make a statement and not back it up scooter. So validate and prove.
Caeden Nicomachean	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:09:00 - [24] I swear some folks won't be happy until they are forced to pay the HAC bpo holders the majority of their income. But yes, indeed - talk numbers. It always adds four to five pages onto this debate.
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:11:00 - [25] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 09/09/2005 05:14:43 I had a though about replying to Mr Floppyknickers, challenging his points, showing disinformation and contradictions. Then, i just decided to let it go. The devs can see all calculations, figures, arguments, and even opinions they could need in the big thread we had about this issue. I can't see why they would not pay attention to it and just listen to you, Mr Floppyknickers. I don't want to be rude, but i pretty much think that you twisted the so-called "issues" so well that they are laughable. Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers K, prove it. Lets see your tests data, damage numbers, comparisions to all other cruisers over all ranges vs all weapon types and tactics. It's easy to pop in make a statement and not back it up scooter. So validate and prove. You cannot step up into a debate (20 pages by now) and challenge everybody to prove everything. You "tried" to make a point, you were challenged because you didn't prove anything. It is up to you to prove what you said. Bring the math dude. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read.
Justice Bringer	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers to CCP: Please leave my ship alone. On a side note however, I do believe the drone bay on the vexor should be doubled. Agreed, it should be able to carry at least 8 heavies. Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers Issue 2: The rax xan fit a 1600MM plate and that makes it too tough because it can use junky weapons, tank damage and use it's oversized dronebay from issue 1 to kill everything in eve! The end is NIGH! response: Not everyone fits the damn plate. I don't fit one as i prefer to use Med Blaster, so i end up with only enough grid for a 400mm. Bo hoo hoo, oh poor me Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers Now lets say a nerf is unavoidable, fine. Give the rax more grid 150ish and and extra med to compensate and you can take the bay and stuff it. Hey hold on, CCP has already done this. It's called a Deimos. Smaller drone bay, more pg, and extra slots. So what's all this bru ha ha all about..... Leave the T-Rax ALONE
Caeden Nicomachean	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:19:00 - [27] Bump the Vexor from 150 to 200. Push the Thorax from 200 to 125. Leave everything else alone. A net loss of a heavy drone from the lineup, makes the vexor a very viable platform, Thorax still is. And lets be done with it.
Maverick McDougel	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:19:00 - [28] Edited by: Maverick McDougel on 09/09/2005 05:20:13 I swear my head hurts after reading 20 posts opposite of this in 12 hours. Honestly now, does everyone not want ccp to put in new content by rehashing the old? This balancing I always thought was a waste, lets flash back a moment. Gankageddons, they were a fad. A good Tempest set-up was still the best all around fleet ship. Way back when before the tracking calculations people thought that Tempests were over powered. Now its plated thorax's with heavy drones. I think that if you people spent more time thinking a way around them rather than doing posts like this one to try to get it to change you would be more successful in the game in general. I've seen a Maller with small projectile guns take down a plated Thorax, its not like the hand of god protects this ship. Its not like this is a brand new. Thoraxes and armor plates have been out for a long time people, so suddenly a winning combination becomes the evil that must be taken down a notch. This is a waste of CCP's time. I would rather have them make light missiles good against frigates again rather than having them pick through posts like this to find out what they should do to the Thorax.
Franky B	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:21:00 - [29] ok after seeing a video of a deimos VS a rax... when a rax can give a deimos a run for its money is when the rax is in dire need of some balancing.
Caeden Nicomachean	Posted - 2005.09.09 05:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Maverick McDougel This is a waste of CCP's time. I would rather have them make light missiles good against frigates again rather than having them pick through posts like this to find out what they should do to the Thorax. Indeed. A lot of it is that you have one side that wants the thorax nerfed into oblivion, the other that doesn't want any change. If enough people got behind one middle ground, there ya go. Otherwise, some code slinger/db type will make the change over a cup of coffee, maybe right after a good solid poo one day and it will be as arbitrary as the situation befits.

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