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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:16:00 -
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Greetings Voters,
We have heard your feedback on the voting system UI and have made some changes to make it easier to vote, especially for those of you voting with multiple accounts.
- We have added the ability to double click on a candidate and their entry will be added to the next open preference slot.
- Your voting preference list will be stored locally on your device. This means that if you fill out a ballot and then log into an alt character, your previous voting choices will be restored automatically and you may then alter them as you wish. We hope this will alleviate some of the fatigue of voting with large numbers of accounts. We would like to reiterate that this is a local function and not stored by or transmitted to CCP or any 3rd party group.
- While the candidate list will always appear in a random order upon opening, to make it easier to find the candidates you are looking for you may select to sort them from A-Z
- These changes are likely to disable many of the popular voting scripts that have been created by players to automatically fill out ballots. We would appreciate it if these were not recreated, voting should be done by people, not scripts. We hope that the UI difficulties that made people feel these were necessary have been fixed.
- If you are having any additional problems with the UI for voting or if you have any suggestions on ways we can further improve our UI please send an eve-mail to CCP Dolan
These updates are live. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
267
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:23:00 -
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Nice Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour..
Ayeson for CSM8 |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1095
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:27:00 -
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James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
110
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:50:00 -
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You forgot "with sugar on top". James Arget for CSM 8! Wormholes and the Player Perspective
http://csm.fcftw.org |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:54:00 -
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grumble
please allow ceos to cast votes on behalf of their entire corporation tia~~~ |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
793
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:58:00 -
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I've already voted myself but I'm hearing rumblings from people who have not that while the ballot reloads after switching accounts properly, the person is unable to actually hit submit. He's using Chrome. Might be something to check into. Mynnna for CSM 8 |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:03:00 -
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I suggest for next time a proxy mechanism
naturally, the ceo of the alliance holding corp, or the ceo of an individual corp, can be assumed to be natural representative of their members
so, in the latter half of the election to increase the representativeness of the CSM and to get more people voting, the CEO of the holding corp or the ceo of an individual corp could cast a proxy ballot on behalf of their members who could not vote. naturally, those members could cast an individual vote previously or assign their proxy to someone else
this inventive method would increase the number of voters and allow a more representative and legitimate csm, as it was formed from the input of more subscribers |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8508
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:04:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Greetings Voters, We have heard your feedback on the voting system UI and have made some changes to make it easier to vote, especially for those of you voting with multiple accounts.
- We have added the ability to double click on a candidate and their entry will be added to the next open preference slot.
- Your voting preference list will be stored locally on your device. This means that if you fill out a ballot and then log into an alt character, your previous voting choices will be restored automatically and you may then alter them as you wish. We hope this will alleviate some of the fatigue of voting with large numbers of accounts. We would like to reiterate that this is a local function and not stored by or transmitted to CCP or any 3rd party group.
- While the candidate list will always appear in a random order upon opening, to make it easier to find the candidates you are looking for you may select to sort them from A-Z
- These changes are likely to disable many of the popular voting scripts that have been created by players to automatically fill out ballots. We would appreciate it if these were not recreated, voting should be done by people, not scripts. We hope that the UI difficulties that made people feel these were necessary have been fixed.
- If you are having any additional problems with the UI for voting or if you have any suggestions on ways we can further improve our UI please send an eve-mail to CCP Dolan
These updates are live.
Perhaps future changes to the voting system should be publically tested to avoid situations of this kind.
Meanwhile, the groups that have deployed these scripts would no doubt like to thank you for locking in the huge advantage they have gained by this. At this stage, you might as well leave the option open to at least level the playing field.
Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
350

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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:04:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:I suggest for next time a proxy mechanism
naturally, the ceo of the alliance holding corp, or the ceo of an individual corp, can be assumed to be natural representative of their members
so, in the latter half of the election to increase the representativeness of the CSM and to get more people voting, the CEO of the holding corp or the ceo of an individual corp could cast a proxy ballot on behalf of their members who could not vote. naturally, those members could cast an individual vote previously or assign their proxy to someone else
this inventive method would increase the number of voters and allow a more representative and legitimate csm, as it was formed from the input of more subscribers
hahahaha, no. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Hoarr
Asgard. Exodus.
133
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:21:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:I suggest for next time a proxy mechanism
naturally, the ceo of the alliance holding corp, or the ceo of an individual corp, can be assumed to be natural representative of their members
so, in the latter half of the election to increase the representativeness of the CSM and to get more people voting, the CEO of the holding corp or the ceo of an individual corp could cast a proxy ballot on behalf of their members who could not vote. naturally, those members could cast an individual vote previously or assign their proxy to someone else
this inventive method would increase the number of voters and allow a more representative and legitimate csm, as it was formed from the input of more subscribers hahahaha, no.
Not empty quoting. |

Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:37:00 -
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Go through picking who to vote for and click vote........... and my session must have timed out as it said please log in again......
Much like any post more than 1 paragraph and 5 seconds of thought. But I have no way to save my votes like I do in a post. Let me try again, maybe this new feature to save a vote actually worked while the actual vote did not.
Edit: Okay it did save my initial unsuccessful vote. But I seem to be able to hit the vote button over and over again? is this correct. how do I know my vote is registered. Shouldn't there be some visual indication that I have actually voted? Allocate resources to POS improvement |

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
895
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:52:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Your voting preference list will be stored locally on your device. This means that if you fill out a ballot and then log into an alt character, your previous voting choices will be restored automatically and you may then alter them as you wish. We hope this will alleviate some of the fatigue of voting with large numbers of accounts. We would like to reiterate that this is a local function and not stored by or transmitted to CCP or any 3rd party group.
Nice, thanks!  Nathan Jameson for CSM 8! My CSM 8 Blog My Twitter |

Kazanir
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
434
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Perhaps future changes to the voting system should be publically tested to avoid situations of this kind.
Meanwhile, the groups that have deployed these scripts would no doubt like to thank you for locking in the huge advantage they have gained by this. At this stage, you might as well leave the option open to at least level the playing field.
You're correct, naturally, but since they specifically deployed these fixes so they could nerf the scripts with minimal howling, it seems unlikely that they'll be receptive to your suggestion. Who cares about procedural fairness!
Maybe next time the will -- on the first try, no less -- release a UI that a human can use. |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2838
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:21:00 -
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While I do not agree with CCP's philosophical position regarding making it easy for people to vote a slate of candidates provided by someone they trust, I do understand their position.
That said, a lot of the issues that have arisen since the election began could have been avoided if the community had been given a preview of the ballot entry process and the opportunity to comment on it.
CSM didn't get an advance look either; if we had, I would have raised serious concerns about usability. Even with the ability to double-click, one of the fundamental problems with the ballot is that it is very hard to find the candidates you want.
I am sure that CSM8 will have some things to say about this at the next summit. Click here to vote for Trebor GÇó Candidacy Thread GÇó CSM Blog |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
1452
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:23:00 -
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Voting scripts... that's some nice step forward in making the CSM elections look bona fide democracy in action. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:46:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:I suggest for next time a proxy mechanism
naturally, the ceo of the alliance holding corp, or the ceo of an individual corp, can be assumed to be natural representative of their members
so, in the latter half of the election to increase the representativeness of the CSM and to get more people voting, the CEO of the holding corp or the ceo of an individual corp could cast a proxy ballot on behalf of their members who could not vote. naturally, those members could cast an individual vote previously or assign their proxy to someone else
this inventive method would increase the number of voters and allow a more representative and legitimate csm, as it was formed from the input of more subscribers hahahaha, no. what if the proxies could be sold on the market, so the wealthiest and most interested parties can reach a mutually beneficial exchange with the poorer and less interested parties
after all, free markets make free people
work with me here |

Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2013.04.05 20:04:00 -
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Okay, I applaud the attempt but this CSM 8 vote has been plagued with issues.
- First off, without logging into the eve client I can only find a link to the vote page if I go to the community page, find a link referencing the CSM 8 election, then clicking a link in that page. On the front page of Eve Online there should be a link. In the forums under Eve information Portal there should be a Stickied link saying VOTE. And just to be complete a slickied link the CSM section on the forums saying VOTE.
- I click the link in the patcher, it kept me in the patcher and the voting didn't work at all for me. At least while I was in the patcher it kept my old votes. But it never worked. When I later switched to the browser, (after finding the link to the voting page) my old picks were lost.
- Time out issues voting. I have 30 plus candidates to read through. Yes I actually read them instead of being a useless twit and trying to use some script. Now that it had lost my previous votes I had to go back and re-read all of them. Honestly I was a little peeved at this point and only voted for 2/3 of them that I could remember by name after reading the first 10 or so again.
- On the page where you summarized each candidates platform, there should have been a method to highlight / select who you like and vote from there.
- Voting should be easy and foolproof. I am sorry this was not. But as I said, I applaud the effort to organize the information and attempt to stream line the process. Hopefully CSM 9 has this feature. This is a game, but one I care about. I will not spend days analyzing each candidate, but I will do my best to spend a few hours reading each platform and supporting those who appear to have the background and the games best interests. Please don't make waste this time.
Remember usually most people have less than 5 people to choose from when they vote. Damn in the states I get the impression it is 2. We have 30+ Allocate resources to POS improvement |

Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
58
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Posted - 2013.04.05 22:23:00 -
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Apparently Sorting by A-Z is difficult 
Glad to see riverini at the end of the list where he belongs WTB : An image in my signature |

Apricot Baby
caldariprimeponyclub
61
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Posted - 2013.04.06 03:40:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:CSM didn't get an advance look either; if we had, I would have raised serious concerns about usability. Even with the ability to double-click, one of the fundamental problems with the ballot is that it is very hard to find the candidates you want.
I am sure that CSM8 will have some things to say about this at the next summit.
lol. I'm really not sure how to respond to his apart from awarding CCP an 8/10 score for ironic value.
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Frying Doom
2189
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Posted - 2013.04.06 06:27:00 -
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Also it seems that in the crusade to have every vote count, abstain is no longer there.
I can't confirm that myself as I voted without looking for it.
But a fair few seem to be grumbling about its non-existance. Vote Now My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras |

Frying Doom
2213
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Posted - 2013.04.06 06:54:00 -
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removed Vote Now My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras |

rodyas
tie fighters inc
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:53:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Also it seems that in the crusade to have every vote count, abstain is no longer there.
I can't confirm that myself as I voted without looking for it.
But a fair few seem to be grumbling about its non-existance.
It was too hard to drag the abstain choice 14 different times.
So CCP decided to get rid of it. Its in the minutes. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |

rodyas
tie fighters inc
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:59:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:I suggest for next time a proxy mechanism
naturally, the ceo of the alliance holding corp, or the ceo of an individual corp, can be assumed to be natural representative of their members
so, in the latter half of the election to increase the representativeness of the CSM and to get more people voting, the CEO of the holding corp or the ceo of an individual corp could cast a proxy ballot on behalf of their members who could not vote. naturally, those members could cast an individual vote previously or assign their proxy to someone else
this inventive method would increase the number of voters and allow a more representative and legitimate csm, as it was formed from the input of more subscribers hahahaha, no. what if the proxies could be sold on the market, so the wealthiest and most interested parties can reach a mutually beneficial exchange with the poorer and less interested parties after all, free markets make free people work with me here
My suggestion is to dramatically change the way the election is ran and proceeds very close to said election time, then hide all references and improvements to it, in the most obscure places in the forums.
Also any extra work load is a just decision and all should comply to it.
Actually on second though, that free market things sounds pretty nice. How much isk per vote are we talking about?
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Frying Doom
2221
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:44:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Also it seems that in the crusade to have every vote count, abstain is no longer there.
I can't confirm that myself as I voted without looking for it.
But a fair few seem to be grumbling about its non-existance. It was too hard to drag the abstain choice 14 different times. So CCP decided to get rid of it. Its in the minutes. I thought I deleted that one
But Abstain is needed only once.
It is this crusade to make every vote count that will lower the voting, and lack of advertising, and the fact that the Null blocks came up with a Fix, then everyone else did, then that fix was stopped, oh and did I mention the lack of advertising for the CSM. Vote Now My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras |

rodyas
tie fighters inc
1127
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Posted - 2013.04.09 04:46:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:rodyas wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Also it seems that in the crusade to have every vote count, abstain is no longer there.
I can't confirm that myself as I voted without looking for it.
But a fair few seem to be grumbling about its non-existance. It was too hard to drag the abstain choice 14 different times. So CCP decided to get rid of it. Its in the minutes. I thought I deleted that one But Abstain is needed only once. It is this crusade to make every vote count that will lower the voting, and lack of advertising, and the fact that the Null blocks came up with a Fix, then everyone else did, then that fix was stopped, oh and did I mention the lack of advertising for the CSM.
eh, CCP just likes the idea of null sec winning, will add more drama and fun to the game and increase revenue. I mean advertising will only help out the non null sec candidates.
That is why you got to vote smart, vote null sec mart. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
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