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captferro
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Posted - 2005.09.11 04:54:00 -
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This is just to find out other players opinions.
I was in Gallente space and had been mining in the same system for the past week and a half when one night I went to the same belt/book mark to mine omber when I was told to find another belt to mine. I got into a bit of an arguement and lives were threatened (not real lives).
I spoke to him in a private channel after I finnished mining and he came across as an ok bloke and even invited me to mine with him, My question is if someone is mining in a belt do they have rights to a claim? can they tell you **** off!/ and do you have to ask if it's ok to mine when they are there? I under stand that it is common manners to ask, I just havent come across this situation before where I was made to belive that I was in someones property in empire space.
Tell me what you think.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:00:00 -
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This is not proper ol' england,
This is eve, you go out there and if they force you out of the belt that you are mineing in, leave, but steal their ore.
You have just as much right to the ore as everyone else.
except macro miners who have no right to exist at all.
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:00:00 -
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If it's .5 or higher security rating, tell him to get lost or declare war.
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DMAN666vic
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:19:00 -
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The unwriten rules for mining rights are;
In a 1.0 or 0.9 system mine wherever you like with whomever is around... basically free for all.
In 0.8 to 0.5 is much different. A first come first serve basis usually one individual, corp or gang to a belt. People who mine in these systems are more devoted miners than their counterparts in higher sec. and have been known to mine a belt clean solo. If you warp to a belt and find someone there, it is customary to go to another belt. If all belts are full then ask permission from the person currently in the belt if it is ok to mine at the other end of the belt... beyond the range of their mining lasers.
0.4 to 0.1 mine with 5 or more friends. Otherwise you will be picked on and smacked down hard by pirates or someone just looking to mess someones day up.
0.0 same as 0.4 to 0.1 but you should also join or get a pass from the alliance that controls the region.
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2005.09.11 08:39:00 -
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Me.
You are allowed to mine next to that person. Infact bump him a little.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.11 08:59:00 -
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if in 0.5 and above if they are in the way mine anyway unless they war dec
In 0.4 its a bit more dangerous join a local corp and help em mining.
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:37:00 -
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"who has mining rights mining in empire space?"
Everyone....
I mine in a system with 22 belts and until recently no-one ever mined in it. He then had the gaul to tell me I shouldn't be popping the/his roids. Jeeze popping roids makes no difference at all they don't re-spawn back faster. Anyway off the subject, no one has rights to anything unless they are willing to enforce that.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:38:00 -
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tagging on thoe that can enforce rights of ownership enjoy the benefits or said ownership if someone in eve can take it by force then original owner either fights - cloaks in to use when owner not around or moves on.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.09.11 11:57:00 -
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No, they don't have any rights at all.
Out of politeness, I'd always try to find another belt and/or ask if he minds, but if anyone told me to clear off, I'd pointedly ignore him and stay right there.
Ofc, you risk getting your corp into a war by NOT doing as he asks/orders, but not many ppl are going to go that far to get rid of you.
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2005.09.14 16:13:00 -
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 Originally by: captferro
This is just to find out other players opinions.
I was in Gallente space and had been mining in the same system for the past week and a half when one night I went to the same belt/book mark to mine omber when I was told to find another belt to mine. I got into a bit of an arguement and lives were threatened (not real lives).
I spoke to him in a private channel after I finnished mining and he came across as an ok bloke and even invited me to mine with him, My question is if someone is mining in a belt do they have rights to a claim? can they tell you **** off!/ and do you have to ask if it's ok to mine when they are there? I under stand that it is common manners to ask, I just havent come across this situation before where I was made to belive that I was in someones property in empire space.
Tell me what you think.
I would mine more!!!!
Bring the crew in and strip mine the system!!!!
Nothing he can do. WAR DEC !
so.. .time to have fun and can he afford to war dec you!
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Mister Meaner
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Posted - 2005.09.14 16:21:00 -
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Bump-a-domi time if someone does that to me
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Dred Case
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Posted - 2005.09.14 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dred Case on 14/09/2005 17:20:19
Originally by: DMAN666vic
The unwriten rules for mining rights are;
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0.0 ... you should also join or get a pass from the alliance that controls the region.
HA HA HA!
Have you ever seen a region that was REALLY controlled by somebody?
Every so often some group thinks they do, and maybe they come close for two hours a day on Saturday when they have enough people flying to do it ... but that is as close as it gets.
Nobody controls anything beyond their own ships and possibly a handful of stations. No matter what their egos tell them.
Originally by: Sku1ly
Me.
You are allowed to mine next to that person. Infact bump him a little.
Now THIS attitude I like ... a LOT! |
Hydrocarbon
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Posted - 2005.09.14 17:36:00 -
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The only "rights" you have are the ones you can exercise by force. This applies to everything, including empire mining.
If he can "force" you to move along, either through economic or military means, too bad for you.
Otherwise, too bad for him.
There are only 2 kinds of people in this world: wolves and sheep. Which are you?
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Nac MacFeegle
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Posted - 2005.09.14 17:36:00 -
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0.5 and up: Free for all. Acquiris Quodcumque Rapis.
0.4 to 0.1 (non-alliance): Still free-for-all, but you have to avoid pirates/gankers.
0.0: Whatever the alliance rules, or what you can get away with without detection/getting ganked.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.09.14 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: DMAN666vic
In 0.8 to 0.5 is much different. A first come first serve basis usually one individual, corp or gang to a belt. People who mine in these systems are more devoted miners than their counterparts in higher sec. and have been known to mine a belt clean solo. If you warp to a belt and find someone there, it is customary to go to another belt. If all belts are full then ask permission from the person currently in the belt if it is ok to mine at the other end of the belt... beyond the range of their mining lasers.
/me points and laffs
I should start mining just to **** off people like you by mining "AT YOUR HISEC BELT".
/me points and laffs some more
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.14 17:44:00 -
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To the OP: This is exactly one of the reasons CCP gave us the ability to declare corp wars, for the protection of interests and assets.
Those are your asteriods, your livelyhood, defend them.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.09.14 18:00:00 -
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Tis.
But i don't think your allowed to bump?
General etiquette anyway chaps, i don't care if it's good ol blighty, or far away in eve, there's a guy/gal with a sence of decency behind every screen.
Have to say most iv'e come across in my time have allways asked me if it's ok to mine where ive pitched my tent, can't recall ever saying no....
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.09.14 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: DMAN666vic
The unwriten rules for mining rights are;
In a 1.0 or 0.9 system mine wherever you like with whomever is around... basically free for all.
In 0.8 to 0.5 is much different. A first come first serve basis usually one individual, corp or gang to a belt. People who mine in these systems are more devoted miners than their counterparts in higher sec. and have been known to mine a belt clean solo. If you warp to a belt and find someone there, it is customary to go to another belt. If all belts are full then ask permission from the person currently in the belt if it is ok to mine at the other end of the belt... beyond the range of their mining lasers.
0.4 to 0.1 mine with 5 or more friends. Otherwise you will be picked on and smacked down hard by pirates or someone just looking to mess someones day up.
0.0 same as 0.4 to 0.1 but you should also join or get a pass from the alliance that controls the region.
 There is something inverted about this. He claims that 1.0 is free for all.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.09.14 18:15:00 -
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Mine where you want mate, as long as you're in >0.4 you're safe, and you are your own boss.
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YodaMasterJedi
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Posted - 2005.09.14 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Mine where you want mate, as long as you're in >0.4 you're safe, and you are your own boss.
I agree with Verone! .5 or higher and do what you like!!
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Magnum VII
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Posted - 2005.09.14 18:24:00 -
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The only thing I would not do is mine the same exact rock someone else was already mining.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.09.14 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Mine where you want mate, as long as you're in >0.4 you're safe, and you are your own boss.
You've obviously never met a BumpaGeddon with 8 nanos and an MWD. That'll ruin any miner's day (actually, most any pilot's day).
But seriously, if you get out of the hub areas there's plenty of ore available for all, and many systems have no/few people using them. But unless they dec you, there's not much they can really do to stop your mining in high sec, nor that you can do if they enter "your" belt.
Originally by: Idio T
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.09.14 21:42:00 -
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seems most of you are missing the point.
Now I will admit he said "right" to mine.
Yah everyone has the right to mine where ever he or she wants. Far as that goes it's the same in .0 if you can hold your ground you got the right to mine there.
What most of you seem to be dismissing is "unless he declares war"
If your a carebear (nothing wrong with that) but if you are you need friends. Friends might help you tommarrow next week or next year. The more friends you make the better off you are. This goes for prefered pricing on equipment ships ect.
You don't make friends by ****ing off everyone you come across.
The proper way of stating it though would be to say "what is the curtious method of mining in empire?"
The curtious thing to do is just find another belt or at a min move to the far side of the belt. Or at a min ask if it's cool to mine with him. It's not that hard to do most people will say sure if asked and it might strike up a convo that evolves into a friendship.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2005.09.14 22:12:00 -
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Eh, I wouldn't mind people mining in the same belt, shrug. It's just when they latch onto the same roid I am mining when I get slightly ****ed off. But, oh well.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2005.09.14 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor
Originally by: DMAN666vic
The unwriten rules for mining rights are;
In a 1.0 or 0.9 system mine wherever you like with whomever is around... basically free for all.
In 0.8 to 0.5 is much different. A first come first serve basis usually one individual, corp or gang to a belt. People who mine in these systems are more devoted miners than their counterparts in higher sec. and have been known to mine a belt clean solo. If you warp to a belt and find someone there, it is customary to go to another belt. If all belts are full then ask permission from the person currently in the belt if it is ok to mine at the other end of the belt... beyond the range of their mining lasers.
0.4 to 0.1 mine with 5 or more friends. Otherwise you will be picked on and smacked down hard by pirates or someone just looking to mess someones day up.
0.0 same as 0.4 to 0.1 but you should also join or get a pass from the alliance that controls the region.
There is something inverted about this. He claims that 1.0 is free for all.
it is sort of.......
1.0 is populated with so many new players that mine and with such worthless ore that it's not posable to find an open belt, and even if you did there would be someone right behind you that doesn't even know how to chat in local or start a convo with someone that will warp in and start mining.
When your new your world is your ship, once you grow a little and your world expands these type of things become "rules"
I say war dec them and make the hurt.
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ManOfHonor
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Posted - 2005.09.14 23:27:00 -
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who has the rights?
whoever takes them, thats who!
wardec and get it over with
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.09.15 00:14:00 -
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Bumpageddon can't do all that much if you hide in the roids...
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Franky B
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Posted - 2005.09.15 01:06:00 -
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I find 0.0 mining safer than 0.4 -0.1 sectors. mainly because I mine/hunt pretty deep in 0.0 and any pirates that manage to make it up that far either have a following of 5 ppl on their ass or have to face the 20 or so locals who dont appreciate being interrupted.
and NPC rats aint a problem for you if you can afford to mine in 0.0 already.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.15 01:09:00 -
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yeah gotta agree in 0.0 - low sec mining is sometimes risky unless in a corp that co operates
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.15 01:39:00 -
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not to mention high sec annoyance of MMs. Strip their belt and take a few hours off em
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