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Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:50:00 -
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I don't want to direct Eve screenshots to C, because that is for just the operating system and doesn't have much disk space. How can I change the folder?
In a broader sense, actually I don't want programs to save anything into My Documents folder, because I want to decide where stuff goes. If I don't give other permissions, then the program is not allowed to save data anywhere else. If I install a program to D:\ProgramX, then that is it! That and only that is given as a place for the program. But no, My Documents fills up with all kinds of random files. |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.11 15:29:00 -
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Got again the message that I should free disk space in C -drive. Please move the AppData and screenshots to where I have installed Eve. Wouldn't be fun to get some big update from Eve and ending up running out of space for my operating system. |

Xambarnath
North Star Networks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:55:00 -
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If you want to decide what gets put on your system partition, you picked the wrong OS. Windows has requirements and recommendations to developers where to store user data and just because you don't want it to be that way doesn't mean you can expect developers to give you that option.
What you should do is get a bigger partition for your C: or change OS. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1709
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:40:00 -
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You can move your home directory /Users to another drive.
Might want to Google that. |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:48:00 -
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I got again the warning of low disk space. Disk cleanup don't find enough to clean.
Xambarnath wrote:If you want to decide what gets put on your system partition, you picked the wrong OS. Windows has requirements and recommendations to developers where to store user data and just because you don't want it to be that way doesn't mean you can expect developers to give you that option.
Yeah... but I am going to stick to Windows. So Eve needs to clean up it's files or I run out of disk space in C and when that happens, I have to unistall Eve.
Xambarnath wrote:What you should do is get a bigger partition for your C:, change OS, or work around your problem.
Fail. I don't do such things. I expect things to work. I have already worked around the problem by pointing Eve to install into D-drive. If it still needs room from C, that is not my problem. If games don't behave, people play less games. So the problem falls into game industry - and also of course to Microsoft. If they both blame each other and don't do anything, well, people play less games when things don't work.
Tau Cabalander wrote:You can move your home directory /Users to another drive. Might want to Google that.
I googled and found a post. According to it's guide things seemed too much trouble for doing anything. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1712
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Posted - 2013.04.12 20:59:00 -
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Thorian Crystal wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:You can move your home directory /Users to another drive. Might want to Google that. I googled and found a post. According to it's guide things seemed too much trouble for doing anything. Besides, I have many other games, too, and they don't consume C like that. My disk space utility shows big fat chunk of 1 Gb for CCP AppData folder - even though I have not given permission even for a single small file. The EVE data cache lives there. |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:48:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:The EVE data cache lives there.
So? It should go to where is it's home, to D. I have not given any permission to settle into C. |

Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
120
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:10:00 -
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The only way you'll be moving things is with Symbolic Linking.
...Though, I wonder why you have a 1GB "AppData\Local\CCP" folder. Mines only 85MB
You'll want to move:
'My Documents'
Using the 'Location' tab on My Documents -right click-> Properties. -That'll take care of the screenshots, as that's in 'My Documents\EVE\capture\Screenshots\'
If you move it any other way Windows won't know you moved it and you will end up with a mess of things. *You can also do this for 'My Pictures, Music, Video', and 'Downloads'. |

Adrian Dixon
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction -affliction-
132
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:12:00 -
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I use a program called symlink to fix this problem http://code.google.com/p/symlinker/ |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:32:00 -
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Dyner wrote:...Though, I wonder why you have a 1GB "AppData\Local\CCP" folder. Mines only 85MB
That sounds more appropriate, but I don't know why mine is 1Gb. I have not developed Eve.
There is tons of cache files. I cleared cache and it removed almost nothing. There is still 1 Gb of stuff under AppData.
..._eveonline_eveonline_tranquility: 1Gb
There is three cache_backups: \ cache_backup0 509Mb \ cache_backup2 463Mb \ cache_backup1 64Mb
And the backups contain eg.: \\ Most space is taken by ships: 267Mb, 278Mb, 22Mb \\ Pictures 100 Mb, 40 Mb, 13 Mb \\ And other stuff... |
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Xambarnath
North Star Networks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:14:00 -
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Your problem is that you believe that your problems is someone else's problem. Just delete the backup files and you should be good. |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
212

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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:41:00 -
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Thorian Crystal wrote:Dyner wrote:...Though, I wonder why you have a 1GB "AppData\Local\CCP" folder. Mines only 85MB That sounds more appropriate, but I don't know why mine is 1Gb. I have not developed Eve. There is tons of cache files. I cleared cache and it removed almost nothing. There is still 1 Gb of stuff under AppData. ..._eveonline_eveonline_tranquility: 1Gb There is three cache_backups: \ cache_backup0 509Mb \ cache_backup2 463Mb \ cache_backup1 64Mb And the backups contain eg.: \\ Most space is taken by ships: 267Mb, 278Mb, 22Mb \\ Pictures 100 Mb, 40 Mb, 13 Mb \\ And other stuff... As a preventative measure the cache clearing backs up your old cache. Which is what those folders contain.
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Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.04.16 15:40:00 -
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Xambarnath wrote:Your problem is that you believe that your problems is someone else's problem. Just delete the backup files and you should be good.
No, this is not my problem. Sure it affects me, but it is CCP's responsibility to keep their product from dumping random stuff peoples' disks full. And in this case totally wrong disk, even.
Also, there appears to be some bug in preview function of this forum.
CCP Atropos wrote:As a preventative measure the cache clearing backs up your old cache. Which is what those folders contain.
Really? Please stop filling my disk up. |

Flush With Hooch
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:24:00 -
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CCP signed a pact with the devil (Microsoft) and at some point rearranged all their file saving to comply with some Microsoft Grandiose Guideline of the One True Way, users be damned. Simply run eve from .bat file and set USERPROFILE to be a local directory. Problem solved.
Something like:
@echo off set EVEPATH=%CD% set PROFPATH=%EVEPATH%\UserProfile
@echo "Creating infrastructure under '%PROFPATH%'" mkdir "%PROFPATH%\Local Settings\Application Data" mkdir "%PROFPATH%\My Documents" REM Vista paths mkdir "%PROFPATH%\Documents\EVE" mkdir "%PROFPATH%\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE"
set USERPROFILE=%PROFPATH%
"%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" /end /LUA:OFF
-- I've crudely cut this out of the launching code I use, and it is not tested. It is possible to keep all EVE cruft on drive D: or wherever you wish it to stay. The .bat file lives where eve.exe lives. I make a shortcut to my desktop for launching. |

xarjin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:26:00 -
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1GB seems like the eve client being generous. My CCP appdata folder is 2.62 GB 
Noted I also have 6.5TB of disk space on my gaming pc and i've never deleted my appdata settings folders in 5 years so it's not a huge concern but I can imagine this could grow to become an issue for someone.
something that might help is not enabling the resource cache in GFX settings. I bet that uses up a bunch of disk space. My current appdata config subfolder for tranquility is around 790MB with the resource cache enabled. |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:46:00 -
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The problem has not gone away.
Also, I found that others have had the same problem and they have written threads about it, below. But, as not all players write to forums, there are many more other people, who suffer from this same problem.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2873399#post2873399 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=809765#post809765
Users should not need to program scripts to keep game program from doing non allowed stuff to their computers. |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:19:00 -
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I have removed couple of giga bytes of programs from my C drive.
But guess which error message I got today? Yeap, low space on C.
Nothing has happened. Eve still consumes wrong disk space about 1Gb. The cache histories are still there. I have moved any screenshots manually to an other drive, thanks to Eve not using the correct disk!
In fact, Eve cache histories use now 1,4Gb! Where will this lead to? I have now 0,4Gb free on C. Will Eve dump history files until the C is full? |

Djerin
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.15 11:06:00 -
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I have the same issue on my Windows XP system. My C: drive is only a few dozen gigabytes in size. It is not supposed to be holding random data from apps. Unfortunately the ppl in Redmond are dumb and make it the standard drive for every app to drop its data. So I am using a workaround: junction points. This way the apps think they are storing their stuff in C: while it really gets saved on another partition.
Check out this wiki article to see how it works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point
So for example you can create a junction point for CCP. Here is how you do it.
Just create a directiory on a bigger partition and name it whatever you want. Let's call it "G:\path to somewhere\CCP_junction_target" so that we can recognize easily what it is.
Next we copy everything from "C:\Documents and Settings\Djerin\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP" to "G:\path to somewhere\CCP_junction_target".
After that we delete "C:\Documents and Settings\Djerin\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP", because in order to create a junction in this place there can't be a directory with the same name.
Then we install junction. Get it from here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx and simply put it in c:\windows\system32 so that Windows knows it's path.
And last but not least we create the junction point. Open the command console (click start -> Run... and type cmd and hit return). Here the command we enter is:
Quote:junction "C:\Documents and Settings\Djerin\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP" "G:\path to somewhere\CCP_junction_target" Et voil+á, we're done. From now on Eve will spam G: with its cache data.
In theory you can do this with the entire user directory alternatively in analogous way so that other programs spam their crap to G: as well.
Hope it helps you.
PS: I have reported this issue to CCP years ago already. It really is not that difficult for them to just give us an installer where you can opt for alternative directories to use both for cache data as well as a custom Temp directory to use for the installer. If you have little space in C: you just can't use an installer that tries to unzip 10+ GB there. IT WILL NOT WORK! But apparently I was talking to a brickwall. |

seth Hendar
I love you miners
89
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:15:00 -
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Thorian Crystal wrote:I don't want to direct Eve screenshots to C, because that is for just the operating system and doesn't have much disk space. How can I change the folder?
And what is this? Under AppData there is folder CCP that has over 1Gb of stuff. Please clean it up.
In a broader sense, actually I don't want programs to save anything into My Documents folder or such, because I want to decide where stuff goes. If I don't give other permissions, then the program is not allowed to save data anywhere else. If I install a program to D:\ProgramX, then that is it! That and only that is given as a place for the program. But no, My Documents fills up with all kinds of random files.
no
%programfiles% can only contain "static" files, per windows rules.
all non static files can only be written in userland, in %userdir% or it's sub-folders.
datas at the attention of the user, such as screens / fittings / logs are to be written in %userdir%\Documents
datas relatives to the internal functionnement of applications are to go in %appdata% (cache, internal settings etc...)
if you don't want applications to save anything in %userdir%, well, just use another OS, but you won't find any, but some linux you would be able to setup yourself cause for many reasons, applications that run under "user" permissions will have only access to "user" folder.
the ONLY way around the issue you have, is to move your personnal folder on another partition that suits you better.
this can be done following the steps described at this adress: change user folder emplacement on windows7
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Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:01:00 -
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Thanks for advice. Seems complicated. I am right, all data should go where I set them to go, not some other place that some other person wants them to go.
I just might consider changing to Mac. |
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nardaq
Orion Expeditions
27
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:46:00 -
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Jup, u have to blame Microsoft (vista and higher) because of this, like seth Hendar explained.
/end /LUA:OFF is keeping all files beside chat/game logs and screen shots in the my docs/ccp folder and the rest in the game folder. The "/end /LUA:OFF" option works mostly on XP due to this OS dont have this "all non static files can only be written in userland, in %userdir% or it's sub-folders." limitation
U can try to use /end /LUA:OFF and try set the eve (sub) folder the same as your My Docs folder. Try the security tab to fix write access (if you know how to do it) |

seth Hendar
I love you miners
90
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:00:00 -
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nardaq wrote:Jup, u have to blame Microsoft (vista and higher) because of this, like seth Hendar explained. /end /LUA:OFF is keeping all files beside chat/game logs and screen shots in the my docs/ccp folder and the rest in the game folder. The "/end /LUA:OFF" option works mostly on XP due to this OS dont have this "all non static files can only be written in userland, in %userdir% or it's sub-folders." limitation U can try to use /end /LUA:OFF and try set the eve (sub) folder the same as your My Docs folder. Try the security tab to fix write access (if you know how to do it) no, do not blame MS for this, any OS should not allow any application that runs under user privileges to write anywhere but in a user folder.
as i explained in my previous post, this is also tue for macos or linux |

Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
42
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:09:00 -
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Thorian Crystal wrote:Thanks for advice. Seems complicated. I am right, all data should go where I set them to go, not some other place that some other person wants them to go.
I just might consider changing to Mac.
I think our issue is with understanding the radical change in windows OS. From the start practically up to windows XP (ignoring NT line here) the windows was designed as single user system. It was operated by one user with administrative privileges. At that times any program could be placed in folder anywhere and was expected to keep everything inside that folder.
With the switch to multi user approach in windows vista this approach changed. Now the user does not and should not have a right to write to the static folders where the static data should be located. This is to protect those data from unauthorized modification. So EvE and any game now can expect that it will not be able to write to its basic folder without proper privileges. There is a proper location in user "home" folder where those temporal data should go for each user.
Unfortunately for windows it does not have a flexibility of *nix systems. It puts those "home" folders on C drive without even asking you. It is up to you to move them anywhere later by yourself (and with limited flexibility).
In short. EvE puts its files exactly where it is supposed to.
oh and backing up the cache instead of deleting it is horrible practice.
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Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
25
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:37:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:In short. EvE puts its files exactly where it is supposed to.
Wrong. Horribly wrong. The correct place to put files is where I, the owner of this machine, say where the files will go.
If Microsoft says that hey lets make it so that files go over here instead, then that is not good enough a reason to put the files there, as I, the owner of this machine, have decided otherwise. CCP does not own this computer. Microsoft does not own this computer. So if they decide to override my decision of the location of the files, then they are effectively putting the files into a totally wrong place. There are no other correct places than the place I decide, because it is my computer and therefore I can move the files where ever I like, and as well the files could and should go there automatically.
So CCP doesn't put the files into the correct place. But they are putting the files into a wrong place! I mean, instead of nothing happening, they dump files where they don't have any permission to dump the files to.
Sure, if I didn't care where the files should go, then the operating system can choose. But, I have installed the program into a certain location and I have not given any other permissions, so CCP is putting the files into a wrong folder. And not only into a wrong folder, but into a wrong disk drive. And the wrong disk drive is also a big issue here as the C is running out of space.
Shpenat wrote:oh and backing up the cache instead of deleting it is horrible practice.
Yeah. The biggest problem here is that the cache history consumes so much disk space in a place, where it shouldn't be in the first place. |

Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
42
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:28:00 -
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You are mistaken in one point. By telling the installer where to install the files you only specify where the static files should go. Not where all files should go. Since you did not tell EvE where the cache and other user specific data should go it uses the windows specific files.
People here were suggesting how to tell EvE to put their files elsewhere.
Btw you can safely delete the cache backup files. However you need to do it manually not using eve client. |

seth Hendar
I love you miners
91
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Posted - 2013.06.18 16:36:00 -
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Thorian Crystal wrote:Shpenat wrote:In short. EvE puts its files exactly where it is supposed to. Wrong. Horribly wrong. The correct place to put files is where I, the owner of this machine, say where the files will go. If Microsoft says that hey lets make it so that files go over here instead, then that is not good enough a reason to put the files there, as I, the owner of this machine, have decided otherwise. CCP does not own this computer. Microsoft does not own this computer. So if they decide to override my decision of the location of the files, then they are effectively putting the files into a totally wrong place. There are no other correct places than the place I decide, because it is my computer and therefore I can move the files where ever I like, and as well the files could and should go there automatically. So CCP doesn't put the files into the correct place. But they are putting the files into a wrong place! I mean, instead of nothing happening, they dump files where they don't have any permission to dump the files to. Sure, if I didn't care where the files should go, then the operating system can choose. But, I have installed the program into a certain location and I have not given any other permissions, so CCP is putting the files into a wrong folder. And not only into a wrong folder, but into a wrong disk drive. And the wrong disk drive is also a big issue here as the C is running out of space. Shpenat wrote:oh and backing up the cache instead of deleting it is horrible practice. Yeah. The biggest problem here is that the cache history consumes so much disk space in a place, where it shouldn't be in the first place. no, you are wrong, the correct place for any application to write data is within the folder that are allowed by the privilege profile they run under.
in the eve case, it's user privilege, so it writes under the "user" folder.
however since it is YOUR computer, i suggest YOU learn how to configure it.
what you want to do is possible, but for security reason, is not the default behaviour.
several solutions exist to give you the result you expect, some were given to you for free (since it seems hard for you to ask google about it).
windows is behaving exactly how it should, you just fail to understand that.
also about permission, you installed static files, in a specific folder, you didn't changed the application permissions to write in said folder.
maybe you should search about the difference between files, process, right management etc... this would help you understand all this.
also, CCP / microsoft doesn't own your comp, but they own their own code (windows / eve online)
so THEY can decide WHERE they write (maybe you should read the windows / eve eulas.....)
or you know, switch to linux, there are many distro, some 100% free if you want, where you would be able to setup ANYTHING you want. |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:29:00 -
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"You are mistaken in one point. By telling the installer where to install the files you only specify where the static files should go. Not where all files should go. Since you did not tell EvE where the cache and other user specific data should go it uses the windows specific files."
Wrong. I decided that all of the files should go to where I installed the program. If they put files elsewhere, well, I didn't tell them to so they are doing something else. I know that user folder is used for dynamic files because this and that, but I have not approved it. So I am right.
"Btw you can safely delete the cache backup files. However you need to do it manually not using eve client."
It is not my job to delete files that Eve creates all the time.
"no, you are wrong, the correct place for any application to write data is within the folder that are allowed by the privilege profile they run under."
I don't care about profiles. I decide a folder for an application. Well guess what? That is the folder for all of the application files. All of them. If something else is being done, I have not approved it.
"in the eve case, it's user privilege, so it writes under the "user" folder."
And by writing under user folder, Eve does something I have not approved.
"however since it is YOUR computer, i suggest YOU learn how to configure it."
No. I have already configured it by deciding the correct folder. If the computer puts files somewhere else, then the computer fails. It is not good to fail. Pure failurage noted.
"what you want to do is possible, but for security reason, is not the default behaviour."
If I decide to put files somewhere, the files should go there. I don't want to hear "configure this configure that".
"windows is behaving exactly how it should, you just fail to understand that."
Wrong. Windows should behave as I, the owner of this computer, say. Anything else is failing.
"also about permission, you installed static files, in a specific folder, you didn't changed the application permissions to write in said folder."
I installed the whole program into that folder. If the program doesn't go there, it is failing.
"maybe you should search about the difference between files, process, right management etc... this would help you understand all this."
I have full rights to this computer.
"also, CCP / microsoft doesn't own your comp, but they own their own code (windows / eve online)"
I don't care. If they fail, they fail. Failing is bad.
"so THEY can decide WHERE they write (maybe you should read the windows / eve eulas.....)"
I understand that Windows has certain characteristics and I know I have to live with that failing. But now I have written my opinion about it, as a tip how to listen to customers.
"or you know, switch to linux, there are many distro, some 100% free if you want, where you would be able to setup ANYTHING you want."
Yeah, that is one option. |

Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
42
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Posted - 2013.06.18 22:01:00 -
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I will point out the statement that is wrong:
Thorian Crystal wrote: I don't care about profiles. I decide a folder for an application. Well guess what? That is the folder for all of the application files. All of them. If something else is being done, I have not approved it.
All you did is you told the computer to store the static data into that folder. You did not tell him to store other data in that folder as well. A computer will do only what it is told to do. Since you did not specify the location for temporary files (I.E you did not tell your computer where to store the temporary files) it uses some predefined options.
Most installers are asking about the static files. Nothing more, nothing else. |

Aethlyn
EVE University Ivy League
227
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Posted - 2013.06.19 14:08:00 -
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Quick and easy fix for your problems (you don't need additional downloads or anything).
Just start a command prompt (cmd.com) with administrative rights and type the following (Windows Vista/7/8):
move "%localappdata%\CCP" "G:\Eve Online\data" (replace the second path with the location where you want your cache/config files) move "%userprofile%\Documents\EVE" "G:\Eve Online\data" (again, replace the second path with the location where you want your user files; i.e. screenshots, logs, and the like)
Once this is done repeat this steps using the following commands, again replacing the paths:
mklink /D "%localappdata%\CCP" "G:\Eve Online\data" mklink /D "%userprofile%\Documents\EVE" "G:\Eve Online\data"
To revert the change, just delete the links created in place of the former folders. The links created that way won't require any hard disk space (other than a few bytes meta data). Looking for more thoughts? Follow me on [url]http://twitter.com/Aethlyn[/url] |

Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
25
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:32:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:I will point out the statement that is wrong:
All you did is you told the computer to store the static data into that folder. You did not tell him to store other data in that folder as well. A computer will do only what it is told to do. Since you did not specify the location for temporary files (I.E you did not tell your computer where to store the temporary files) it uses some predefined options.
Most installers are asking about the static files. Nothing more, nothing else.
Are you not able to read? If I say, that I want files to a specific location, I don't care at all about how the computer works. I have said the location for all of the files, and if the computer works so that it stores some files somewhere else for what ever reason, then the computer fails to fulfill what I said. If the installer is the culprit, then fine, blame the installer. But I have not talked anything about dynamic files while I installed the program, it was the installer or the computer. Not me, not anyone else here. |
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