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Whitehound 1490	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:06:00 - [31] - Quote Chessur wrote: to OP: 1. Stop listening to everything whitehound is saying. ... Don't listen to him, OP. If you want to fit railguns to your Thorax then go ahead. I have given you a fitting that lets you use railguns on your Thorax without tracking issues. You can kite with it and anyone who is trying to kite you you just shoot. If it is bigger, well, you know you cannot always win. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:10:00 - [32] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Chessur wrote: to OP: 1. Stop listening to everything whitehound is saying. ... Don't listen to him, OP. If you want to fit railguns to your Thorax then go ahead. I have given you a fitting that lets you use railguns on your Thorax without tracking issues. Your kidding right? Med rails cannot track a cruiser. If the cruise pilot knows what he is doing, they can get under your guns. Infact because of the poor damage and amount of fitting space rails take- its a really sub par weapon system when compared to anything else. How about a duel? 500mil bet your rail rax vs my caracal or my scythe fleet issue?
Whitehound 1490	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:20:00 - [33] - Quote Chessur wrote: Your kidding right? Med rails cannot track a cruiser. If the cruise pilot knows what he is doing, ... Seems that excludes you. You, too, suggest to kite with an MWD on the Thorax, right? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:41:00 - [34] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Chessur wrote: Your kidding right? Med rails cannot track a cruiser. If the cruise pilot knows what he is doing, ... Seems that excludes you. You, too, suggest to kite with an MWD on the Thorax, right? You will note that i didn't even mention the thorax in any of my posts. Because it is not a kiting ship. Period. The thorax could not kite before the TE nerf, and with the nerf can now not even dream of it. I hesitate in responding to this post because it is just so incredibly dense. Of course you fit an MWD to a kiting boat. AB's are horrible save for a few specific instances in regards to kiting. AB's are nice on armor setups, but agian the OP was asking about kiting not armor brawling. So have you decided on taking me up on our show match? Hell i will take you and a friend of yours on fit with your kiting rax. 2v1 500mil to the winner. What do you say? You seem to talk quite a bit, but you are really throwing around a ton of blatently wrong advice, to someone looking for some honest answers. I would hate it if a new PvPer was lead astry with this dis-information.
Whitehound 1490	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:54:00 - [35] - Quote Chessur wrote: You will note that i didn't even mention the thorax in any of my posts. ..., but agian the OP was asking about kiting not armor brawling. ... So you did not understand the OP's request, nor my comments, but still you tell him not to listen to me. And now you want to challenge me to a duel, right? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:09:00 - [36] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Chessur wrote: You will note that i didn't even mention the thorax in any of my posts. ..., but agian the OP was asking about kiting not armor brawling. ... So you did not understand the OP's request, nor my comments, but still you tell him not to listen to me. And now you want to challenge me to a duel, right? I did in fact read the OPs post. In it he / she is asking if there is any way to kite with gal cruisers. I spoke in regards to this and have outlined, that it is basically impossible in my first post. I will stand by that statement, unless you are using ships that I made special mention of. Attaining his goal of Damage and projection using a gallente hull is impossible. If those damage / projection numbers are possible- the resulting ship fit used to achive these numbers will be easily out classed by another cruiser using Med pulse lasers + Scorch or RLM missiles. That is answering his question. I advocate not listening to any of your advice for the following reasons: 1. Your fits are horrible, and you advocate using AB's on a kite boat 2. Your fits are horrible, and you advocate using med rails on a thorax 3. Yes, I want to challenge you and a friend of yours to a 2v1 dual- because I think it will be the quickest 500mil I have ever made.
Whitehound 1491	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:42:00 - [37] - Quote Chessur wrote: I will stand by that statement ... Good, please do stand by your statement, but do not use me as your crutch. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:06:00 - [38] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Chessur wrote: I will stand by that statement ... Good, please do stand by your statement, but do not use me as your crutch. I am also not interested in a duel with your Caracal. You may get 440 DPS with HAMs out of it, but it will end up being much less against a Thorax with AB doing 800 m/s. With your MWD will you however be 1000 m/s faster and have a 1000m signature. That signature of yours will give the railguns a tracking bonus of 640%. With the Thorax's tracking bonus would you need to get as close as 3km to get under its railguns with such a signature, and at which point it simply gets webbed. I would not even use the scram on it, but let it bleed cap and just hit it on that signature. A caracal fit with HAM's is fail fit. Just letting you know. I just want to confirm that you are in fact declining a 2X rail rax vs 1 caracal / scythe fleet / nomen duel? And here i thought that your fit was so strong! To OP- whitehound pussying out is making the point for me. Don't listen to him, and don't try to fly a rail thorax / kiter. GG PS. Would you fight me with no 500isk buy in? You know just straight up? However now that I look at your kill boards, you have absolutely no pvp experience with which to speak of. Leading me back to my original statement of: Your a troll, or a complete dunce. Op ignore this fool.
Whitehound 1491	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:12:00 - [39] - Quote Chessur wrote: A caracal fit with HAM's is fail fit. Just letting you know. I do not know how you fit your Caracal, nor do I care. I used it to estimate the DPS of it. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:20:00 - [40] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Chessur wrote: A caracal fit with HAM's is fail fit. Just letting you know. I do not know how you fit your Caracal, nor do I care. I used it to estimate the DPS of it. Right but again, you are placing HAMs on a caracal. HAMs are a horrible weapon system- unless you have a ton of bonused TP's / webs helping you out. I point this out because- here again you are showing the eve forum community your naivet+¬ when it comes to PvP and how to properly fit and fly a ship. You also never answered my question- with no buy in, what do you say to a 2v1 duel? We still on for the gud fites?
Whitehound 1491	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:42:00 - [41] - Quote Chessur wrote: Right but again, you are placing HAMs on a caracal. HAMs are a horrible weapon system- unless ... You talk too much. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1480	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:44:00 - [42] - Quote OW, I think I got some E-peen in my eye.
David Kir Tailender 37	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:51:00 - [43] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Chessur wrote: A caracal fit with HAM's is fail fit. Just letting you know. I do not know how you fit your Caracal, nor do I care. I used it to estimate the DPS of it. AB, Gallente cruisers, rails and kiting are definitely not a combination you'd want to face a kiting Omen/Caracal/Stabber with. All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better. Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen. But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB. AHAC isn't a kiting setup, and most AHACs engage the enemy at 30km+ ranges. Most AHAC setups are composed of Zealots/Muninns, not Deimoses. In fact, I only know of one single faction that has used a "simil-AHAC" concept involving the Deimos. Rote Kapelle, and they used it with blasters and heavy Minmatar recon support. AHACs don't kite, they range/sig tank while being assisted by support tackle provided by recons. There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control".
Whitehound 1492	Posted - 2013.06.30 20:47:00 - [44] - Quote David Kir wrote: ... All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better. Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen. But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB. ... There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control". No. The use of the AB saves you PG and allows you to use the larger 250mm railguns with which you get about the same DPS. Kiting is range control just like water is a liquid. It means I do not care for what some people call a kiting fit, because kiting is a tactic and not a Minmatar fitting slapped onto a Gallente ship for instance. You can kite with anything if the target is right. So please do not expect me to care for what is and is not a kiting fit. I do not mean to insult your intelligence. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:04:00 - [45] - Quote Whitehound wrote: David Kir wrote: ... All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better. Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen. But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB. ... There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control". No. The use of the AB saves you PG and allows you to use the larger 250mm railguns with which you get about the same DPS. Kiting is range control just like water is a liquid. It means I do not care for what some people call a kiting fit, because kiting is a tactic and not a Minmatar fitting slapped onto a Gallente ship for instance. You can kite with anything if the target is right. So please do not expect me to care for what is and is not a kiting fit. I do not mean to insult your intelligence. Please stop posting this garbage. The amount of stupid in this post is simply jaw dropping. An AB does not allow you to kite, the fact that you fit an ab so you can use rails is proof that rails are useless on a cruiser. I have been saying this time and time again. As for range control, your AB provides you none. You have zero range control because you lack speed. You also lack long ranged webs / scrams- which means any ship that goes faster than 800ms (read any ship that uses an MWD) has the control. Kiting is a tactic your right, and I have no idea what you are talking about when you mention a 'minmitar' fitting. That doesnt even make sense. But wait, theres more! Trying to 'kite' with a ship that goes 800ms and will be caught by any other ship using an MWD. Once your ** fit thorax is hard tackled, it will get melted because it applys horrible DPS and has no tank. Ohh you can kite anything if the target is right? Sweet I am glad that you would be able to kill a mining barge / T1 industrial- props bro you kited the ** out of those strip miners. But between you and me, I don't think the OP was looking for tips on how to kill barges. Kiting is range control like water is a liquid????? Now you are just saying words. Go back to bed or something, and leave the PvP talk to people that actually have a clue. As for insulting inteligence, it is you sir who fails to see that you are in fact the one in this thread suffering form a chronic syndrome called: The Dunning Kruger effect. Ok I think that I am done feeding the troll at this point, entertainment value is all but lost.
Whitehound 1492	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:10:00 - [46] - Quote Chessur wrote: ... Let us know when you are really done with ranting, because I do not think you are. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 511	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:56:00 - [47] - Quote Chessur wrote: Ok I think that I am done feeding the troll at this point, entertainment value is all but lost. No, its still pretty entertaining, you're are only just getting warmed up. Carry on.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 40	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:18:00 - [48] - Quote OP, use a MWD deimos or vigilant with a Khanid web and neutrons. Have fun...C:
Voyager Arran GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2013.07.01 00:13:00 - [49] - Quote Whitehound wrote: David Kir wrote: ... All of the latter have far better DPS outputs within skirmish range, and their tracking is far better. Yes, your rail would track a MWD Omen. But hey, its guns will track you equally well, even if you use an AB. ... There's quite a difference between "kiting" and "range control". No. The use of the AB saves you PG and allows you to use the larger 250mm railguns with which you get about the same DPS. Kiting is range control just like water is a liquid. It means I do not care for what some people call a kiting fit, because kiting is a tactic and not a Minmatar fitting slapped onto a Gallente ship for instance. You can kite with anything if the target is right. So please do not expect me to care for what is and is not a kiting fit. I do not mean to insult your intelligence. Kiting means controlling distance by being faster than the enemy. Range Control means controlling distance by making the enemy slower than you are. This might sound like semantics, but the difference will become very apparent the second you get into a fight with more than one person. Have fun crashing a gate at 800 m/s! I know, it's shocking to think of in a game about honorable 1v1s.
Whitehound 1493	Posted - 2013.07.01 09:12:00 - [50] - Quote Voyager Arran wrote: Kiting means controlling distance by being faster than the enemy. Range Control means ... Thank you, but I know what kiting is. Range control only means to control the range and nothing more. You can control range with superior speed, superior DPS or with e-war. So you can have the faster ship, but you will not be able to kite your target if it has got superior DPS or jams you. You can try though, but trying to kite is not the same as kiting when really the word you should be using is failing. So good luck with crashing gate camps in a solo cruiser. You will need it. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 511	Posted - 2013.07.01 10:13:00 - [51] - Quote Whitehound wrote: You can control range with superior speed, superior DPS or with e-war I for one would love to know how to control range with superior DPS. Do your special-magic bullets push the target away from you? Or do you shoot the engines first?
Whitehound 1493	Posted - 2013.07.01 10:25:00 - [52] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: I for one would love to know how to control range with superior DPS. Do your special-magic bullets push the target away from you? Or do you shoot the engines first? No, I do not shoot your engines. I aim at your stupidity to stay within range of my superior DPS. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 913	Posted - 2013.07.01 11:50:00 - [53] - Quote Chessur wrote: Whitehound wrote: Chessur wrote: to OP: 1. Stop listening to everything whitehound is saying. ... Don't listen to him, OP. If you want to fit railguns to your Thorax then go ahead. I have given you a fitting that lets you use railguns on your Thorax without tracking issues. Your kidding right? Med rails cannot track a cruiser. If the cruise pilot knows what he is doing, they can get under your guns. Infact because of the poor damage and amount of fitting space rails take- its a really sub par weapon system when compared to anything else. How about a duel? 500mil bet your rail rax vs my caracal or my scythe fleet issue? You can be sure If I see a rails rax on the way I'll do whatever it takes to be on top of it, either whatever with long range med weapons, even missiles doesn't matter you stay away just go in your optimal and melt if before he does. The same rax with blasters thou, wouldn't get anywhere closer and would rather try to kite it in the 20km window where it can't hurt much. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

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