erm yeah what other bs can a caldari missle specalist fly ? and although a ship can be used for pvp it should not be ballanced with the view soley on pvp witch currently a lot of ships have been as it leave mission runners and people that just generaly wanna play for fun out in the cold.

as for current raven doing lvl 4-s as i wrote it it can but with faily major problems especialy with explosive radius and trying to kill smaller faster ships and oh yeah the setup i wrote down you need to spend around 2 billion isk on that setup.

if you dont you have a raven with a massive tank and low dps or a raven with a bad tank and mediocer dps.

If Scorps are really bad, why do they always get primaried?

I wouldn't call 129k EHP before links particularly fragile. And I wonder why people don't like ECM. It's almost as if they believe that the ship is a serious threat.

Arguably, the Caldari battleships (especially the Raven) are almost the worst off. The reason I think nobody is voicing their opinions is, I'm pretty sure, that everyone who 'cares' has no problems with this because it barely effects the Raven's PvE capabilities, and as a result, the PvE near-bots who would be flying all of these ravens in L4s really have nothing to say.

And then the Raven was still somewhat subpar for PvP even though it's in a slightly better position than before. Not enough has been done to address it's problems.

and personally, I think that raven's role still needs rethinking - what is it supposed to be? med range torpedo boat? Unless torps are looked into, it still won't have enough range or damage application to be of much use and tornado will outperform it as torp boat due to better damage application. Cruise missile sniper? Contradicts idea of attack battleship and rokh will likely outlast, outgun and outperform it in long range combat role. Cannot really find third use of it

Imo, either given raven double range bonuses so it can reach decent range with torps - it would make it fairly unique ship due to ability to hit 50k+ with torps or just give it double damage or double damage application bonuses and make it proper 'attack battleship' due to (excellent) damage application with missiles, hybrid of these two just doesn't work; in any case, extra launcher or -1 launcher and 10% / lvl damage bonus would go long way in giving it bit more bang for its buck

after 28 pages I STILL haven't heard whether the thing that says the scorp has 110 base scan res on the first post is right or not.

Is it a typo? Is it the scorp's new scanres? Because right now the scorp has 75 base scan res. (Horrendously low)

Is it really 110 now? You didn't mark any increase on the first post.

I will keep posting this until someone answers tbh...

Just wait till the Faction-BS rebalance, where the Typhoon will get a 7th launcher and a fifth med-slot, while the cnr gets a.. another med.. This would be death to the cnr for missions.. I allready bought one Fleet Typhoon..

[Raven, Rigor Raven]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Domination X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
100MN Afterburner II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Use furies for BS, precission(or navy....they deal about same for low sig targets) for everything else.

your ability to cut and paste from stafan's own thread serves you well young padawan. however... what happens if we... work that out? EGADS! THE MADNESS OF CHECKING NUMBERS!

so lets assuming the typhoon and raven are scrapping with eachother? after all surely that's the point of contention here? my stalwart opinion that the raven's own weapons are compensated for by the extra BCUII when it comes to raw torpedo damage and attesting that the typhoons advantage is in its ability to launch heavy drones?

as you mention, the equation doesn't take resistances into account so lets roll ahead and just look at raw damage from a single torpedo fired from each ship? makes the numbers nice and small.

so firstly the much vaunted typhoon.

explosion radius: 337m
target sig radius (raven with shield tank): 540
target velocity: 141 (lets ignore microwarping for the obvious reasons eh?)
explosion velocity: 133.5
missile damage: 898.41

crunching all those wonderful values in we find that the typhoon deals..... *drumroll* 898 damage to the raven before applying resists! huzzah! full damage application against the raven! you sirs are clearly vindicated in all things and i shall leap from the bridges of the firth of fourth in my exuberant pennance! wait? I've not done the raven yet? oh dear considering i know nothing about missiles its only right i reveal the full extents of my idiocy...

explosion radius: 337m
target sig radius: (I'm feeling friendly, lets use an armour typhoon for that signature radius eh?) 330
target velocity: 143
explosion velocity: 106
missile damage: 923 (that extra BCU does add that slight little bit of love ^_^)

now clearly seeing as i'm so god aweful wrong this shouldn't result in any number which could possibly compete? after all the raven doesn't have the explosion velocity bonus. AND its firing at a smaller signature target. its a forgone conclusion after all we can't honestly expect that the result will be.

903

huh...

well that's curious isn't it? after all you quoted the equation at me! how could this result have turned out with the raven infact applying SLIGHTLY more damage against the typhoon than the typhoon does to the raven... one might think that the difference between the raven and the typhoon when it comes to damage application against other battleships is its drone bay... who'd have thunk it :>