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forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:59:00 -
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Im noticing an increased sale from T2 bpo's for alot more than usualy is being payed for them. Where a ROI of 4 yrs was yrs normaly, nowardays 8-10 yrs is the going rate with exeptions of 20yrs ROI
Some characters are buying T2 bpo's that will not make their isk back for 10 to 20 years. The same people are alos buying moms and titans by the dozens.
So i was thinking; What if spacerich (spacetechrich) alliances would use their exessive isk for buying T2 bpo's so they will have an advantage that go's on forever. So kinda the following one sided circle i could think of:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Use isk to invest in easy ways to make isk > Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
If i put this in the blue donut politics than i could conclude the following one sided circle:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Buy everyting and everyone you want or get them on your side for a minimum piece of the pie >Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
So could someone tell me where i go wrong with this? It is like what Bob did with T2 only he spawned them and now the source is gained "Legit", am i rite? |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1254
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:18:00 -
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Sorry, to have alerted you, it's just my army of alts buying them up and trashing the lot. Only way to get rid of them permanently. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |

Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
118
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:23:00 -
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it means more 100+bil shuttles ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |

Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:27:00 -
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forestwho wrote:Im noticing an increased sale from T2 bpo's for alot more than usualy is being payed for them. Where a ROI of 4 yrs was yrs normaly, nowardays 8-10 yrs is the going rate with exeptions of 20yrs ROI
Some characters are buying T2 bpo's that will not make their isk back for 10 to 20 years. The same people are alos buying moms and titans by the dozens.
So i was thinking; What if spacerich (spacetechrich) alliances would use their exessive isk for buying T2 bpo's so they will have an advantage that go's on forever. So kinda the following one sided circle i could think of:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Use isk to invest in easy ways to make isk > Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
If i put this in the blue donut politics than i could conclude the following one sided circle:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Buy everyting and everyone you want or get them on your side for a minimum piece of the pie >Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
So could someone tell me where i go wrong with this? It is like what Bob did with T2 only he spawned them and now the source is gained "Legit", am i rite?
To conlude for the trolls:
Am i wrong?, Is CCP ignoring some serious issues or did everyone from the old BOB switch to the new BOB?
are you just now catching on to this?.......... |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1501
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:28:00 -
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This happens every year right before a big expansion.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
268
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:15:00 -
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Yeah. There are some groups that actually have been activily trying to gather all the T2's bpo's to remove them from the game.
I'm not sure why, but they think its a good idea. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:25:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Yeah. There are some groups that actually have been activily trying to gather all the T2's bpo's to remove them from the game.
I'm not sure why, but they think its a good idea.
Who are these people? I will tell you who they should be damn CCP......
Ohh guys... if you are an old character you automagically get a huge ISK advantage for having THE ONLY item in the entire game, that is not seeded anymore but is still useful...
Sorry new guys.. better join the donut of power. |

Haulie Berry
368
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:31:00 -
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Whoa, holy ****. People with a ton of isk are investing in safe, expensive, low-ROI instruments? I... wow. This is just... wow. My mind is ******* blown. Eve is dying. |

Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:32:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:forestwho wrote:Im noticing an increased sale from T2 bpo's for alot more than usualy is being payed for them. Where a ROI of 4 yrs was yrs normaly, nowardays 8-10 yrs is the going rate with exeptions of 20yrs ROI
Some characters are buying T2 bpo's that will not make their isk back for 10 to 20 years. The same people are alos buying moms and titans by the dozens.
So i was thinking; What if spacerich (spacetechrich) alliances would use their exessive isk for buying T2 bpo's so they will have an advantage that go's on forever. So kinda the following one sided circle i could think of:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Use isk to invest in easy ways to make isk > Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
If i put this in the blue donut politics than i could conclude the following one sided circle:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Buy everyting and everyone you want or get them on your side for a minimum piece of the pie >Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
So could someone tell me where i go wrong with this? It is like what Bob did with T2 only he spawned them and now the source is gained "Legit", am i rite?
To conlude for the trolls:
Am i wrong?, Is CCP ignoring some serious issues or did everyone from the old BOB switch to the new BOB? Whoa, holy ****. People with a ton of isk are investing in safe, expensive, low-ROI instruments? I... wow. This is just... wow. My mind is ******* blown. Eve is dying.
By far the best post in this topic... everyone else can go home. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1502
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:00:00 -
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Alekksander Geinesa wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Yeah. There are some groups that actually have been activily trying to gather all the T2's bpo's to remove them from the game.
I'm not sure why, but they think its a good idea. Who are these people? I will tell you who they should be damn CCP...... Ohh guys... if you are an old character you automagically get a huge ISK advantage for having THE ONLY item in the entire game, that is not seeded anymore but is still useful... Sorry new guys.. better join the donut of power.
Well, except for the small fact that inventors will make far more money faster making the same T2 item then the BPO holder ever will.
T2 BPOs are relegated to being mostly epeen or trophies now. if I still had mine I would sell them again in a heartbeat.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
884
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:27:00 -
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A single T2 BPO doesn't mean much when there's people doing invention on 20, 40, 60+ slots. |

UKBigWolf
10
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Posted - 2013.04.10 00:39:00 -
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Plus a ROI reaching beyond the potential remaining lifespan of the game itself... yea they aren't truly brought for profit Epeen, less clicks for BPCs, more isk than they have need for, a few reasons maybe, but I doubt profit is one of them |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2387
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:30:00 -
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Alekksander Geinesa wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:forestwho wrote:Im noticing an increased sale from T2 bpo's for alot more than usualy is being payed for them. Where a ROI of 4 yrs was yrs normaly, nowardays 8-10 yrs is the going rate with exeptions of 20yrs ROI
Some characters are buying T2 bpo's that will not make their isk back for 10 to 20 years. The same people are alos buying moms and titans by the dozens.
So i was thinking; What if spacerich (spacetechrich) alliances would use their exessive isk for buying T2 bpo's so they will have an advantage that go's on forever. So kinda the following one sided circle i could think of:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Use isk to invest in easy ways to make isk > Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
If i put this in the blue donut politics than i could conclude the following one sided circle:
Gain exessive amount of isk > Buy everyting and everyone you want or get them on your side for a minimum piece of the pie >Profit = forever unfair advantage forever due whoopsies
So could someone tell me where i go wrong with this? It is like what Bob did with T2 only he spawned them and now the source is gained "Legit", am i rite?
To conlude for the trolls:
Am i wrong?, Is CCP ignoring some serious issues or did everyone from the old BOB switch to the new BOB? Whoa, holy ****. People with a ton of isk are investing in safe, expensive, low-ROI instruments? I... wow. This is just... wow. My mind is ******* blown. Eve is dying. By far the best post in this topic... everyone else can go home. Seconded.
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
332
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Posted - 2013.04.10 07:47:00 -
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Considering the ROI from some T2 BPOs are less than loans with full collateral in MD you can be pretty certain they aren't being bought for profit. Candy's Capital Shop |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
7648
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Posted - 2013.04.10 07:50:00 -
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Nothing to see here, move along.
/c
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Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
209
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:15:00 -
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I can't hear you over the sound of all this ISK my T2 BPOs are printing! |

Clambumper June
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:56:00 -
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The one thing that never seems to get commented on during the great debate between invention and T2 print holders is the range of diversity. The inventor using 60 slots to create one or two items which they still have to construct after spending the time with fingers crossed to obtain a BPC is limited to the one or two items they invented. Whereas a T2 BPO holder may have a range of products that they are constantly building from giving them diversity. (i.e. Inventor spends a week getting Module A and B invented and built, but during that week the market takes a hit on those products. Inventor may not have the luxury to switch products or hold what they have waiting for market rebound. Meanwhile, T2 BPO holder may have Ammo, Module, and Ship BPOs that allows for holding on market while they continue to build in other areas.)
ROI no longer takes merit on T2 BPOs. If you have the funds to buy one, then those are funds you haven't been using. If you own one or more those were funds being used to increase your overall NAV. It is rare that T2 BPO bought today goes for less isk when sold a year from now. Better to have something making isk for you than looking at a lot of zeros in your wallet.
This is only my .02 isk and may not reflect the views of all in game. Those seeking to remove T2 BPOs from game strike me as the individuals who expect a trophy every year for being on a last place team. Reach down, grab your boot straps and pull them up extra high, you're going to have to walk through a mountain of $#it in this world if you want to succeed. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2487
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Posted - 2013.04.10 13:23:00 -
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There's a lot of ISK in this game that needs laundering.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

brinelan
The Flying Dead Mutual and Absolute Destruction
25
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:23:00 -
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Clambumper June wrote:The one thing that never seems to get commented on during the great debate between invention and T2 print holders is the range of diversity. The inventor using 60 slots to create one or two items which they still have to construct after spending the time with fingers crossed to obtain a BPC is limited to the one or two items they invented. Whereas a T2 BPO holder may have a range of products that they are constantly building from giving them diversity. (i.e. Inventor spends a week getting Module A and B invented and built, but during that week the market takes a hit on those products. Inventor may not have the luxury to switch products or hold what they have waiting for market rebound. Meanwhile, T2 BPO holder may have Ammo, Module, and Ship BPOs that allows for holding on market while they continue to build in other areas.)
ROI no longer takes merit on T2 BPOs. If you have the funds to buy one, then those are funds you haven't been using. If you own one or more those were funds being used to increase your overall NAV. It is rare that T2 BPO bought today goes for less isk when sold a year from now. Better to have something making isk for you than looking at a lot of zeros in your wallet.
This is only my .02 isk and may not reflect the views of all in game. Those seeking to remove T2 BPOs from game strike me as the individuals who expect a trophy every year for being on a last place team. Reach down, grab your boot straps and pull them up extra high, you're going to have to walk through a mountain of $#it in this world if you want to succeed.
Inventors can only do 1 or 2 items at a time? I must have been doing it wrong all these years. I tend to invent no less then a dozen different items (ships, mods, rigs, ammo etc) at a time to protect against market fluxuations in particular items as well as to ensure I don't flood any one market. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
447
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Posted - 2013.04.10 14:25:00 -
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Where can I buy some T2 Blueprint ORIGINALS?
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1752
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:13:00 -
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You do realize that since a T2 BPO can be sold for more ISK that you paid to buy it, the ROI time is potentially zero? The fact that you can make T2 items between buying it and selling it is just icing on the cake. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:25:00 -
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Clambumper June wrote:The one thing that never seems to get commented on during the great debate between invention and T2 print holders is the range of diversity. The inventor using 60 slots to create one or two items which they still have to construct after spending the time with fingers crossed to obtain a BPC is limited to the one or two items they invented. Whereas a T2 BPO holder may have a range of products that they are constantly building from giving them diversity. (i.e. Inventor spends a week getting Module A and B invented and built, but during that week the market takes a hit on those products. Inventor may not have the luxury to switch products or hold what they have waiting for market rebound. Meanwhile, T2 BPO holder may have Ammo, Module, and Ship BPOs that allows for holding on market while they continue to build in other areas.)
ROI no longer takes merit on T2 BPOs. If you have the funds to buy one, then those are funds you haven't been using. If you own one or more those were funds being used to increase your overall NAV. It is rare that T2 BPO bought today goes for less isk when sold a year from now. Better to have something making isk for you than looking at a lot of zeros in your wallet.
This is only my .02 isk and may not reflect the views of all in game. Those seeking to remove T2 BPOs from game strike me as the individuals who expect a trophy every year for being on a last place team. Reach down, grab your boot straps and pull them up extra high, you're going to have to walk through a mountain of $#it in this world if you want to succeed.
At least someone else understands whats going on........
Its not about profit, its about agility.... |

IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
332
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Posted - 2013.04.10 17:24:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:You do realize that since a T2 BPO can be sold for more ISK that you paid to buy it, the ROI time is potentially zero? The fact that you can make T2 items between buying it and selling it is just icing on the cake.
ROI doesn't mean what you think it means.
The reason it is an important metric is because of opportunity cost
If you have 100bn and take several options
T2 BPO at 20yr ROI after 20 years you have ~200bn
T1 BPOs at 2 year ROI after 2 years you have ~200bn
Loan at 2% / month = approx. 3 year ROI after 3 years you have ~200bn
Granted there are some issues with scaling and effort for these examples but the concept is the same. In all cases you get your investment returned (or collateral) and the measure of effectiveness is the profit over that time. So the profit isn't really 'free money' if you could have earnt more doing other things, especially if those things are easier.
There are other factors to consider such as inflation but with such a vast disparity on ROI that can mostly be rejected.
TL;DR T2 BPOs are a collectors item, like an AT hull, not a business and not as disastrous as some people think. Candy's Capital Shop |
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