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Kal Fullerton
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:55:00 -
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Greetings,
I stand before you today to announce a new program that is being spearheaded by the Khanid Defence Force.
Working in conjunction with, the Gallente Based, Bad Wolf Corporation and the loyalist Amarr corporation Slayn and Korpil we will begin "operations" to secure the continued security of both the Khanid Kingdom and the Amarr Empire.
However we will not do this simply by removing pirates and terrorists from space, as that is too large a task for groups of our size.
Rather we aim to use science to further our goals. This is why a partnership with other corporations was essential.
KDF will be providing an initial 30000 slaves to the researchers of Bad Wolf Corporation, who will be researching the effects of various toxins and narcotics on the human body. All of the logistic and financial needs of the project will be met by Slayn and Korpil.
It is our hope that this research will lead to the development of a biological weapon which can be used to subdue the enemy's of the Kindom and the Empire.
I will admit that this idea may sound distasteful to many however it is essential that measures such as these are taken for the greater good.
I would ask that other corporations and individuals who would like to work with us on this project contact me.
Statements from the CEO's of BDW and SLYN will follow in due course.
Thank You
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:31:00 -
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I think this is the kind of thing you really shouldn't make public 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.09.14 03:25:00 -
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I have read that in Ancient Times, wars were fought because of the development of such weapons. Also, such a formidible weapon would make even the smallest group extremely dangerous. You should not have made this public, and if the weapon is seen in use against Caldari or others, it could cause a grea deal of tension and hostilities.
Let's not forget what will happen to your security, should you develop this weapon, and have it fall into enemy hands. I'm sure the Ushra Khan would love to have such a devastating weapon to use against slavers...
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.14 04:29:00 -
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Ancient times?
What madness are you speaking of. The Caldari have never used such weapons against each other.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.09.14 04:55:00 -
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Is it really fair to call yourself a defense force when you create the problems you're protecting people from? From a business standpoint sure, but ethically....
I dunno, it just sorta seems silly to me.
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.09.14 05:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Is it really fair to call yourself a defense force when you create the problems you're protecting people from? From a business standpoint sure, but ethically....
I dunno, it just sorta seems silly to me.
"Ethics" is for people who are uncertain enough of their values to need justification for them.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.09.14 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Meehan
"Ethics" is for people who are uncertain enough of their values to need justification for them.
Your statement is thoroughly drenched in irony, Meehan. Have the inquisitors fixed you yet? 
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.09.14 10:12:00 -
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Indeed they have. "Irony" is a term reserved for people with cultural inferiority complexes.
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Shylan
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Posted - 2005.09.14 11:20:00 -
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I see someone else wants to unbalance the delicate harmony in the kingdom  . Developing this "weapon" is a bad idea, especially if the terrorist faction known as Ushra'Kahn were to aqquire it as has been mentioned by other pilots. I do not agree with this method of defending the kingdom and will do what I can to stop it if I have to. Relinquished will be in touch!!
Fighting for the Khanid Kingdom & Reunification
Khanid Roleplay Forums http://www.darkmagician.co.uk/khanid/login.php |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.09.14 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kal Fullerton
KDF will be providing an initial 30000 slaves to the researchers of Bad Wolf Corporation
Whilst I wish you luck in your endeavours, I trust that these slaves will be kept in accordance with SPCS guidelines.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Terek Falcor
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Posted - 2005.09.14 16:52:00 -
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Offical BDW Statement
I would just like to announce that Bad Wolf Corporation is delighted to confirm our role in this exciting scientific venture. BDW will be providing 100% of the research staff and facilities.
I would like to use the remainder of this statement to respond to some of the comments posted.
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I think this is the kind of thing you really shouldn't make public
The public announcement of this project was actually one of the conditions that I insited were in place before the project began. I greatly beleive in the public accountability of projects such as these and that is the reson for the public announcement.
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I have read that in Ancient Times, wars were fought because of the development of such weapons. Also, such a formidible weapon would make even the smallest group extremely dangerous.
Indeed
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should you develop this weapon, and have it fall into enemy hands. I'm sure the Ushra Khan would love to have such a devastating weapon to use against slavers...
An excellent point, however the risk of this weapon being used against those whom we "protecting" is remote. This is due to the fact that one of our goals is to tie the weapons effectiveness to the genetic make up of the intended target(s).
This means that, if we are sucessful, we could target an individual of even an entire race of people. This means that those we do not target will be perfectly safe from the toxin.
In addition a vaccine will be developed for memebers of the corps involved in this project.
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Whilst I wish you luck in your endeavours, I trust that these slaves will be kept in accordance with SPCS guidelines.
I am not familier with the guidelines of the SPCS as such I am not able to answer that question. |
Kal Fullerton
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Posted - 2005.09.14 19:57:00 -
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Is it really fair to call yourself a defense force when you create the problems you're protecting people from? From a business standpoint sure, but ethically....
I dunno, it just sorta seems silly to me.
The Khanid Defence Force is dedicated to defending Khanid and preserving our way of life, but I fail to see any problems that we will be causeing, this research will lead to us being able to defend Khanid and Amarrian citizens everywhere.
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I see someone else wants to unbalance the delicate harmony in the kingdom . Developing this "weapon" is a bad idea, especially if the terrorist faction known as Ushra'Kahn were to aqquire it as has been mentioned by other pilots. I do not agree with this method of defending the kingdom and will do what I can to stop it if I have to. Relinquished will be in touch!!
This project will in no way upset the balance within the kingdom. However I am interested in why you think this is a bad idea and I look forward to hearing from you.
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Ugleb
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Posted - 2005.09.14 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Kal Fullerton
KDF will be providing an initial 30000 slaves to the researchers of Bad Wolf Corporation
Whilst I wish you luck in your endeavours, I trust that these slaves will be kept in accordance with SPCS guidelines.
And which part of the SPCS guidelines would refer to deliberately poisoning human beings? Not to find out if they suffer, but how they suffer? All hail the noble SPCS, how well its directors must sleep at night.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.09.15 05:53:00 -
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Well this is a sickening display.
I may not speak for my alliance compatriots in this matter but I for one think this makes no sense at all and can only conclude that you're a mad man.
So to ensure I understand all the details here: You want to release a compound you can't control onto a broad populace to kill ananoymous targets for the sake of getting rid of terrorists and pirates whom may never even come into contact with said compound.
Even worse you're wasting slaves on the endeavor. Nice to know wastage is a problem there too.
While I'd file a complaint with the governor and/or with your "King" I think it would serve little purpose. For the sake of Shylan's endeavor I won't expound on my personal opinions of this in any more detail.
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Terek Falcor
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Posted - 2005.09.15 08:59:00 -
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So to ensure I understand all the details here: You want to release a compound you can't control onto a broad populace to kill ananoymous targets for the sake of getting rid of terrorists and pirates whom may never even come into contact with said compound.
No No No No, that isnt correct at all, if these terrorists have any sense the mere threat of this compound would bring their attaks to an end, of course if they continued despite the warning then the toxin may be released in controlled amounts.
But I promise that this toxin would never be used in a pre-emptive strike.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.09.15 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
Ancient times?
What madness are you speaking of. The Caldari have never used such weapons against each other.
I speak of what our ancestors had done before coming through the Eve Gate. Back when they lived on the homeworld. I have collected information from various libraries and folklores about such things, and many have mentioned these types of weapons used heavily, before space combat was practical. It is hard to give more informaion about what these weapons caused, as much of what I have bought, found, or been given, is written in languages that do not seem to be anything we use today. Perhaps one day I will write more about such times, until then, this will simply have to do.
What you plan to develop is dangerous, too dangerous. To anyone who is not of your race, you are saying "we are making a weapon that we can use on you later if we want to". When word of this idea fo yours spread, You may be facign a CONCORD-level threat. Countless pilots and soldiers of the various races may very well indeed band together and do their best to wipe you out before you decide to do it to them.
In short, you have most likely assured far more deaths than would ever be needed, and may set us back countless millenia with your eagerness.
I know the Caldari have never used such weapons against each other, and I would like to see it stay that way, but humans have used such things on each other in darker times. We should not repeat what we know is wrong.
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adanv'waya'hia'nvda
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Posted - 2005.09.18 19:30:00 -
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We Caldari never had a use for, what's the Ancient term? WMDs.
This is madness that the Khanid are considering even such a thing!
If they do go through with such a thing there might be major repurcussions of the like that the Khanid may not survive.
My fellow miners, marketers, and researchers. I would recommend that a petition be placed forth for an Embargo of the entire Khanid region by barring cargo transports and refusing to sell to anyone that has connections to Khanid and their corps.
This is utter madness to have chosen this path.
I pray that your descendants will forgive you when this is over with, if there are any left....
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.09.18 22:13:00 -
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The SPCS guidelines are just that, not law, a holder is free to do what he wishes with his property.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.09.18 23:33:00 -
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May I have the weapon when you've built it please? I have, ahem, many enemies of Amarr (sort) I'd like to test it out on...
Meb looks either way before switchin off comms
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ITTigerClawIK
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Posted - 2005.09.20 11:33:00 -
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you know the creation of such wepons will only makesomeone else build sumit even more hurendus and then someone else will try and beat that and so on so if one lil acsident occours then one wepon goes of then the rest of them this may have been a very bad idea and even worse to make it public
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Jinxed Idol
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Posted - 2005.09.20 13:44:00 -
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This act is the most vile and barbaric displsy I've seen for a long time!
1. Engouraging genocide
This weapon encourages genocide very much, from all parts of any conflict. As you say it can be modified to only attack members of a certain race. I cannot imagine what use this would have other than genocide. And secondly, if you were to actually produce this weapon, it would provoke any enemy you would have to produce a similar, or even more powerful weapon. If we in U'K were engaged in a war on the basis of this project, as i hope we will soon be, and you produced this weapon, I certainly don't think we would or should hesitate to begin developing something similar, as an example. By starting production of this weapon, you will take upon the shoulders the weight of many future crimes.
2. Holding, using and mistreating slaves
In this project you hold captive and mistreat 30000 or more slaves. I believe this crime is self-explanatory.
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J4m Z
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Posted - 2005.09.20 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jinxed Idol
2. Holding, using and mistreating slaves
In this project you hold captive and mistreat 30000 or more slaves. I believe this crime is self-explanatory.
I believe you are referring to Republic law on this subject which is very clear. But under this circumstance he abides by the laws of the Amarr empire and Khanid kingdom, which are also very clear.
In other words. He is in full right to hold and treat his slaves in any manner he sees use for them. That will be all from now Ms. Idol, I bid you good day.
Sincerely J4m Z |
Kal Fullerton
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Posted - 2005.09.20 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
What you plan to develop is dangerous, too dangerous. To anyone who is not of your race, you are saying "we are making a weapon that we can use on you later if we want to". When word of this idea fo yours spread, You may be facign a CONCORD-level threat. Countless pilots and soldiers of the various races may very well indeed band together and do their best to wipe you out before you decide to do it to them.
In short, you have most likely assured far more deaths than would ever be needed, and may set us back countless millenia with your eagerness.
I disagree, it is my view that, in the long run, this project will save more lives than it costs.
Originally by: adanv'waya'hia'nvda
What sort of insanity overtook the Khanid leadership when this decision was made?
If they do go through with such a thing there might be major repurcussions of the like that they may not survive.
My fellow miners, marketers, and researchers. I would recommend that a petition be placed forth for an Embargo of the entire Khanid region by barring cargo transports and refusing to sell to anyone that has connections to Khanid and their corps.
This is utter madness to have chosen this path!
I pray that your descendants will forgive you when this is over with, if there are any left
This work has not been authorized by any officals in the Khanid Kingdom, and at no time did I claim that it had been.
Originally by: Jinxed Idol
If we in U'K were engaged in a war on the basis of this project, as i hope we will soon be, and you produced this weapon, I certainly don't think we would or should hesitate to begin developing something similar, as an example. By starting production of this weapon, you will take upon the shoulders the weight of many future crimes.
I'm not sure why you hope to engage in a war over this project as it would do you no good. However, if you began your own research as a reaction to mine, I will already have my weapon and will use as a bargining chip to end you research.
Many seem to have forgotten the events that took place on Maben, other groups have weapons such as these and the Empire and the Kingodm are vunerable to them until we have weapons to match those of our enemies. |
zoolkhan
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Posted - 2005.09.22 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kal Fullerton
KDF will be providing an initial 30000 slaves to the researchers of Bad Wolf Corporation, who will be researching the effects of various toxins and narcotics on the human body.
Are you aware what you are begging here for?
And i gain the impression, you would not even get support from your own people... when you get what youre begging for.
i suggest to find a way to transport your secret weapon through space into our ships with their sealed capsules
fast if you want to _defend_ ...
regards, v.Adm. ZoolKhan;
W're Ushra'Khan - we come for our people!
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ITTigerClawIK
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Posted - 2005.09.22 13:16:00 -
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Seriusly this is going to create more trouble than its worth and by telling evryone were your slaves are going to come from you have basicly told evryone were to free our slaves
please think about what your going to say and keep quite the bits that are goign to couse trouble
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Kal Fullerton
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Posted - 2005.09.22 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
Seriusly this is going to create more trouble than its worth and by telling evryone were your slaves are going to come from you have basicly told evryone were to free our slaves
please think about what your going to say and keep quite the bits that are goign to couse trouble
On the contrary, I have not revealed where the slaves are being kept, just that I provided them.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.09.23 03:51:00 -
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Can you tell us where they are being kept though? Bet you can't! Bet you don't dare! Scaredy uber-destructive-weapon scientists!!
Can I still please play with the weapon, huh?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.09.23 04:28:00 -
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Kal, I will sav you some time and a great deal of shock in revealing something to you that you clearly have been missing, something that might open your eyes, as nothing else I have said has done so.
Your weapon will only affect a certain race, however you are saying that as if we are all decended from different beings. We are all the same type of creature. We are all decended from people who came through the gate, who are ultimately decended from those who lived on earth.
You're simply going to kill 30000 slaves, and possibly get attacked by multiple organizations for trying to build something that, at best, will be just as effective against you and any other race. As someone already mentioned, when weapons such as these were used in Ancient Times, they were known as weapons of mass destruction. If only I could find information on what brought about the end of their use, I could help enlighten you. I hope for your sake you realize your fooly before it's too late.
((OOC: If someone tried to make your weapon today, they'd basicly be saying "this weaponw ill only hurt German people, and not French. It's scientifically impossible to make your weapon. Even over several thousand years, humans have not really changed. If you aren't sure what I mean, read up on people who lived in the bronze age, or even before that. Even the earliest Greek and Persians are the same as present day people in pretty much every way if you break down their genetic makeup.))
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Kal Fullerton
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Posted - 2005.09.23 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Kal, I will sav you some time and a great deal of shock in revealing something to you that you clearly have been missing, something that might open your eyes, as nothing else I have said has done so.
Your weapon will only affect a certain race, however you are saying that as if we are all decended from different beings. We are all the same type of creature. We are all decended from people who came through the gate, who are ultimately decended from those who lived on earth.
You're simply going to kill 30000 slaves, and possibly get attacked by multiple organizations for trying to build something that, at best, will be just as effective against you and any other race. As someone already mentioned, when weapons such as these were used in Ancient Times, they were known as weapons of mass destruction. If only I could find information on what brought about the end of their use, I could help enlighten you. I hope for your sake you realize your fooly before it's too late.
The Targeting of a certain race of people is only one potential outcome of this research. Simply having a weapon of such power will be satisfactory for what I plan.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
((OOC: If someone tried to make your weapon today, they'd basicly be saying "this weaponw ill only hurt German people, and not French. It's scientifically impossible to make your weapon. Even over several thousand years, humans have not really changed. If you aren't sure what I mean, read up on people who lived in the bronze age, or even before that. Even the earliest Greek and Persians are the same as present day people in pretty much every way if you break down their genetic makeup.))
((OOC: I fully understand what your saying, thats the reason that I'm using this as a base of the story. It is all part of a series of events that I'm trying to develop. So please try to bear with the bad science  )) |
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