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Tobias Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.11 14:47:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/terrorist-attack-gallente-cultural-center/
At 11:57 this morning, a lone gunman assaulted a crowd of spectators at the Luminaire Center for Culture and The Arts in the city of Caille on the planet of Gallente Prime, killing at least 58 people and wounding 304 others. The crowd had been assembled for the inaugural address of the Federal Tribes Festival of Community and Culture, held in Caille every year with the stated aim of "fostering and nurturing the relations that have kept the bond between Gallente and Minmatar strong since the days of the revolution." |

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
148
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Posted - 2013.04.11 14:54:00 -
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Sad.
Now I know that Pilot Diana Kim is just going to be jumping up and down with joy in this thread later, but...
I can't take pleasure in the downfall of another man, especially not like this, on civilian soil. |

kukki Zhu
Knights of The Appocalypse
12
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Posted - 2013.04.11 14:54:00 -
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Naaaw T___T |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
947
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Posted - 2013.04.11 15:24:00 -
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Words cannot express my dismay at learning of this. May the families and friends of those affected and lost by this incident be granted justice by the statutes of their land.
May those lost be at peace. ~Malcolm Khross
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
599
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:06:00 -
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I cried when I heard this news as it happened near where I grew up and where my parents lived until recently. There can never be justification for the mass killing of innocent civilians like this. Never.
May the spirits bless and protect the wounded and those affected by this atrocity and may the ancestors care for those who were lost. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
99
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:10:00 -
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What surprises me is that the terrorist surrendered himself or herself willingly. To act as a servant of chaos, to execute so bold a plan as this, and then to surrender? I wonder what more is at play here.
I hope, however, that we will not see this sort of terror continue, and that there will be peace for the survivors. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:40:00 -
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Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:Sad.
Now I know that Pilot Diana Kim is just going to be jumping up and down with joy in this thread later, but...
I can't take pleasure in the downfall of another man, especially not like this, on civilian soil. Why should I? I myself took down much more than this and I know much more brave soldiers and officers who rooted out way more gallentean infestation than this.
Besides, this was work not of a professional, but amateur, who just splashed out his anger on the mob. Killing same number of military trained personnel or industry workers would be much more useful than just butchering random useless civilians.
I don't know why they even publish this. Gallenteans died? Well, this is good. But they die from our guns daily anyways in much greater numbers. |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
99
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:24:00 -
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Additional news;
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/former-minmatar-minister-caille-wounded/
"Karin Midular, current Sebiestor Tribal Chief and former Prime Minister of the Minmatar Republic, has been confirmed as one of those wounded in the terrorist attack that took place at the hands of a lone gunman earlier today on Gallente Prime. Details are sparse at this hour, but reports indicate the tribal chief is currently in critical condition after sustaining a serious head wound in the attack." |

Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:33:00 -
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This is a tragic event and will need an appropriate response once the truth of who was behind the attack is found.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1132
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:41:00 -
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Any head wound from a modern automatic weapon is a serious affair, but in practice the fact that she made it to a hospital is encouraging. I'm sure she's receiving the best medical attention that the Federation can provide, and let's not kid ourselves - the best the Federation can provide is excellent.
If she made it to the operating table, she's got every good chance of recovering. I will be attempting to contact medical facilities in Caille to offer the financial support necessary to ensure that the other wounded from this incident receive the same quality of care, and encourage other pilots to do the same. Let's do something practical about this, so far as we're able.
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
99
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:58:00 -
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I will follow Hakatain-haan's lead on this, and offer support to the families of the injured, as well.
I hope that despite Roden's refusal to allow extradition, Matari intelligence personnel are allowed to witness the questioning, and review recordings of that questioning which has already occurred. Roden's refusal complicates a matter already made suspect by the perpetrator's race and willing surrender. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
878
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:13:00 -
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No political cause, no matter how worthy, is forwarded or supported by acts such as this.
My heart goes out to the families of the victims. I wish them all the courage they will need to face their loss. To the wounded I wish the strength to endure their wounds. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
460
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:26:00 -
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I'm sure they will be highly appreciative of the sentiment, but I doubt the richest city in the cluster will need help from off-worlders. |

Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
15
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:39:00 -
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This is horrible.
The loss of civilian lives is always a tragedy, regardless of what empire it strikes. Tonight we are all brothers and sisters mourning our lost together. |

Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
17
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:40:00 -
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Shiho Weitong wrote:This is horrible.
The loss of civilian lives is always a tragedy, regardless of what empire it strikes. Tonight we are all brothers and sisters mourning our lost together.
Tell that to the RSS which is planning to invade at 20:00 |

BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
129
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:46:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Shiho Weitong wrote:This is horrible.
The loss of civilian lives is always a tragedy, regardless of what empire it strikes. Tonight we are all brothers and sisters mourning our lost together. Tell that to the RSS which is planning to invade at 20:00
Angel sympathizers assuming the worst about the Republic? Say it ain't so!
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Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
15
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:48:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Shiho Weitong wrote:This is horrible.
The loss of civilian lives is always a tragedy, regardless of what empire it strikes. Tonight we are all brothers and sisters mourning our lost together. Tell that to the RSS which is planning to invade at 20:00
Sadly i don't think they would listen to me, if I told them to give it time. I do think they are in mourning, however, as it seems they are letting emotions run their actions. |

Aidari Flamesight
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:49:00 -
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I don't understand why Roden refuses to meet our very reasonable demands. True, Gallenteans were injured in killed in this massacre, though I doubt any of them was a head of state.
It's not like this man won't be punished upon arrival in our Republic, it's more likely that being put on trial in the Republic will actually guarantee that he will be dealt with.
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Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
17
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:50:00 -
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Aidari Flamesight wrote:I don't understand why Roden refuses to meet our very reasonable demands. True, Gallenteans were injured in killed in this massacre, though I doubt any of them was a head of state.
It's not like this man won't be punished upon arrival in our Republic, it's more likely that being put on trial in the Republic will actually guarantee that he will be dealt with.
Its more likely that he will trip on a knife with a gag reel playing in the back ground. I just fail to see why one injured man is more important than 58 dead and their families. |

Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
4
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:53:00 -
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Aidari Flamesight wrote:I don't understand why Roden refuses to meet our very reasonable demands
Listen to what you just said there. Especially the part about "demands". Do you really not understand why Roden might refuse? Bio and writing |

Aidari Flamesight
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:58:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Its more likely that he will trip on a knife with a gag reel playing in the back ground. I just fail to see why one injured man is more important than 58 dead and their families.
First off our Chief is a woman, just for clarification.
Her life is just as valuable as the others. However, this is a major political figure. If a Minmatar gunman shot Mentas Blaque, Souro Foritan, or even President Roden himself, I am quite confident that the Gallente would want to handle the trial.
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Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:04:00 -
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Sad news indeed, my sympathies go out to the families affected, and I hope the terrorist responsible for this mmoral action gets caught and put to trial quickly. While I'd lime to think this was just the act of a single madman or a fanatic Amarr citizen, I have a feeling there's more to it than we know. Immortality is overrated. |

Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
17
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:10:00 -
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Aidari Flamesight wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Its more likely that he will trip on a knife with a gag reel playing in the back ground. I just fail to see why one injured man is more important than 58 dead and their families.
First off our Chief is a woman, just for clarification. Her life is just as valuable as the others. However, this is a major political figure. If a Minmatar gunman shot Mentas Blaque, Souro Foritan, or even President Roden himself, I am quite confident that the Gallente would want to handle the trial.
Perhaps but maybe wait more than 8 hours before demanding with ships? Maybe a joint investigation since your people know your planets more, make sure it wasn't something by a fanatical cell; ect. We at least know to wait at least 24 hours before demanding anything. |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
103
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:27:00 -
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Aidari Flamesight
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:28:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Aidari Flamesight wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Its more likely that he will trip on a knife with a gag reel playing in the back ground. I just fail to see why one injured man is more important than 58 dead and their families.
First off our Chief is a woman, just for clarification. Her life is just as valuable as the others. However, this is a major political figure. If a Minmatar gunman shot Mentas Blaque, Souro Foritan, or even President Roden himself, I am quite confident that the Gallente would want to handle the trial. Perhaps but maybe wait more than 8 hours before demanding with ships? Maybe a joint investigation since your people know your planets more, make sure it wasn't something by a fanatical cell; ect. We at least know to wait at least 24 hours before demanding anything.
I do agree with you that my government is being a bit impatient, though Shakor is a man who's success has come from patience and planning very far ahead of time. This means there has to be more at work here that the Federation and/or Republic are aware of while the public is in the dark. |

Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:13:00 -
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Very very sad.
I fear this is the work of another cloned soldier; whether to strike at Chief or just to cause chaos I doubt we'll really get an answer. The only thing that worries me about this theory is that he gave himself up so easily; the clones I know would much, much rather fight to the bitter end, waking up somewhere else (but out of enemy hands) than surrender. Many of them fear capture, but few fear death.
I hope that justice is served and whoever this is is given a trial, and that both the Minmatar and Gallente receive peace. |

Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.12 00:34:00 -
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A dead (wounded? dead?) Sebiestor alpha... witch. Tragic. Or perhaps others are finally catching on to the threat posed by those pernicious little rust elves. In any event, I'm sure in a few hours time, the fact that this is all a Sinister Amarrian Plot will be well documented.
Fate seems to have had her way with the Gallente, the Caldari, and now the Horde. Clearly, she's saving the best for last.
Here's to us: Go Team Gold! |

Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:23:00 -
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May all those who have suffered loss this day find a measure of peace in the days ahead. What has been taken cannot be replaced but the void may be filled with many things: anger, hatred, vengeance, remembrance, gratitude...may wisdom guide our decisions.
May the future reveal the depth of this atrocity and justice be swift. |

James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
325
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:24:00 -
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Aidari Flamesight wrote:I don't understand why Roden refuses to meet our very reasonable demands. True, Gallenteans were injured in killed in this massacre, though I doubt any of them was a head of state.
It's not like this man won't be punished upon arrival in our Republic, it's more likely that being put on trial in the Republic will actually guarantee that he will be dealt with.
What is so hard to understand, the crime occurred in the Federation. Midular while a tribal leader and member of the government is no longer a "Head of State". "We are what we do." |

Tatiana Yazria
Dragon Logistics
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:31:00 -
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Certainly, nobody would mistake me for any sort of sympathizer, but my heart aches at this news.
The only purpose any investigation would serve is to ascertain the presence or absence of any accomplices, and to determine whether or not further attacks are planned. I have heard several demands for a joint investigation, and trial by jury. Why? The only purpose of these foolish actions is to make the extraction of relevant information more difficult and provide flimsy justification when the conclusion is the same as my own.
Make no mistake; there can be no forgiveness for what has happened here. Not ever. These were not combatants in an active war who were fired upon - they were unarmed civilians. And there is no question the intent was to kill as many as possible. Perhaps that is the worst of it - that the victims will be denied justice, to assuage the conscience of fools. Extract the information as painfully as possible, and put the perpetrator to death. |

Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:41:00 -
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Tatiana Yazria wrote: Make no mistake; there can be no forgiveness for what has happened here. Not ever. These were not combatants in an active war who were fired upon - they were unarmed civilians. And there is no question the intent was to kill as many as possible. Perhaps that is the worst of it - that the victims will be denied justice, to assuage the conscience of fools. Extract the information as painfully as possible, and put the perpetrator to death.
That's fine. I don't think anyone is truly claiming that the criminal should go without the harshest of punishments, more along the lines of who should be the one to do it. As it stands, that's the Federation. |

Tatiana Yazria
Dragon Logistics
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:50:00 -
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Hadrian Tivianne wrote:That's fine. I don't think anyone is truly claiming that the criminal should go without the harshest of punishments, more along the lines of who should be the one to do it. As it stands, that's the Federation.
To be quite blunt? I am very doubtful the Federation has anyone with the stomach to inflict even a tiny fraction of the suffering that is deserved here.
There is an ancient method of capital punishment - truthfully can't recall where I read about it. They would attach a cage with a frightened animal to the face of the condemned, then apply flame so that the animal would literally claw through the skull of the one sentenced to death. A very painful and gruesome way to die, by any measure.
That? Should be the nicest thing the perpetrator gets to experience for the rest of their very short life. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1335
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:56:00 -
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A lot of trouble to go through for a failed assassination attempt of a diplomat, although I'm unsure as to why Shakor would want to have her...
"She was known for her (at least outwardly) peaceful politics towards the Amarr Empire"
... ah, well, nevermind then.
Still, it will be interesting to see if Roden turns him over to Blaque, because if there is one thing you know that bastard can do is yank the truth out of someone If he gets extradited back to the Republic, though, well that's just one more valklear for their ranks, I guess. Live Events are neither. |

Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:04:00 -
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Tatiana Yazria wrote:Hadrian Tivianne wrote:That's fine. I don't think anyone is truly claiming that the criminal should go without the harshest of punishments, more along the lines of who should be the one to do it. As it stands, that's the Federation. To be quite blunt? I am very doubtful the Federation has anyone with the stomach to inflict even a tiny fraction of the suffering that is deserved here. There is an ancient method of capital punishment - truthfully can't recall where I read about it. They would attach a cage with a frightened animal to the face of the condemned, then apply flame so that the animal would literally claw through the skull of the one sentenced to death. A very painful and gruesome way to die, by any measure. That? Should be the nicest thing the perpetrator gets to experience for the rest of their very short life. You may be right. Admittedly that does not sound like a method that the Federation government would likely go with. The problem though, at least for those claiming stern support for the Republic, is that the criminal was detained on Gallente sovereign ground. I'm not a master of law, but I believe the point of extradition is you have to ask first. If the answer is no, you deal with it. It's not a declaration of a lack of judgement and punishment, and unless some legal precedent can be found, the Republic will just have to settle for Federation justice.
I'm well aware many people were hurt by this tragedy and many more mourn it. But how many more would have died on the border earlier today if the RSS hadn't backed down upon the orders of CONCORD? Is the level of punishment on one criminal, however terrible his act, really worth starting a war over? |

Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 09:57:00 -
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Tatiana Yazria wrote: To be quite blunt? I am very doubtful the Federation has anyone with the stomach to inflict even a tiny fraction of the suffering that is deserved here.
Unfortunately, the Federation is quite capable of inflicting suffering of a gruesome nature; consider Anvent Eturrer.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1138
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:28:00 -
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What does that kind of suffering serve, anyway? If you're going to execute a man, do it quick and clean and move on. Seems to me like setting him on fire in public is just a bloodthirsty, brutal spectacle that diminishes everyone involved. There's nothing noble about inflicting suffering purely for the sake of vengeance. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
160
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:50:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:What does that kind of suffering serve, anyway? If you're going to execute a man, do it quick and clean and move on. Seems to me like setting him on fire in public is just a bloodthirsty, brutal spectacle that diminishes everyone involved. There's nothing noble about inflicting suffering purely for the sake of vengeance.
To their shame, most governments abandon nobility in the effort to retain as global a state of acceptance as they can. When information extracted under torture is largely believed to be inadmissible due to the fact that most people will say anything to get out of the situation they are placed in, all that remains is spectacle.
The fallacy of 'a fate worse than death' is often raised in this situation to justify a punishment that 'mere' termination of one's existence is not deemed potent enough to absolve. People feel vulnerable when their icons are attacked, they feel humiliated when they are laid out on the gurney or slab. They want the perpetrator of that crime to be humiliated and made vulnerable for all to see - and I have no doubt that the Republic government would provide this placebo if they got the chance.
Then again, as this attack is inexcusable, and the possibility of torture for information or the above reasons is likely and equally inexcusable on the part of those calling for it, we could likely fill new volumes of philosophy and ethics just circling around 'the lesser evil' and if eye for an eye logic is functional, if not civilised.
A bigger question is - with the Federation's recent history in gruesome murder as a form of punishment to satiate the baying masses, what makes the Republic think that they are going to miss out on this criminal being taken apart piece by piece? As much as I deride conspiracy theories, chicanery such as this 'due process' nonsense hardly does anything to dismiss it. Invite RSS to conduct their own interrogations under Federation conditions and hell, if they decide to go with the carcinogenic immolation for old times sake, let a Sebiestor administer the dose. You've both already shaken one another's blood covered hands. What's another lick of the red stuff between friends? CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |

Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:10:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:What does that kind of suffering serve, anyway? If you're going to execute a man, do it quick and clean and move on. Seems to me like setting him on fire in public is just a bloodthirsty, brutal spectacle that diminishes everyone involved. There's nothing noble about inflicting suffering purely for the sake of vengeance.
I agree.
Aelisha wrote:A bigger question is - with the Federation's recent history in gruesome murder as a form of punishment to satiate the baying masses, what makes the Republic think that they are going to miss out on this criminal being taken apart piece by piece? As much as I deride conspiracy theories, chicanery such as this 'due process' nonsense hardly does anything to dismiss it. Invite RSS to conduct their own interrogations under Federation conditions and hell, if they decide to go with the carcinogenic immolation for old times sake, let a Sebiestor administer the dose. You've both already shaken one another's blood covered hands. What's another lick of the red stuff between friends?
With respect, a singular incident does not a habitual practice make. It is true the Federation has committed brutal and gruesome acts in its past, as have most nations. To your final statement, we are all blood-stained sailors of the stars; judging a nation ill because it too has blood-stained hands is unwarranted. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1337
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:42:00 -
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Tatiana Yazria wrote:There is an ancient method of capital punishment - truthfully can't recall where I read about it. They would attach a cage with a frightened animal to the face of the condemned, then apply flame so that the animal would literally claw through the skull of the one sentenced to death. A very painful and gruesome way to die, by any measure.
I'm curious as to how you managed to get such accurate intel on Blaque's favorite "Area 101" interrogation method.
Diana Kim wrote:Besides, this was work not of a professional, but amateur, who just splashed out his anger on the mob. Killing same number of military trained personnel or industry workers would be much more useful than just butchering random useless civilians.
The term you're looking for is "patsy." They take the fall while the real professional escapes in the confusion. Start shooting fifty people at random and no one notices the other guy in the rafters lining up a headshot on the real target.
Other methods are to use drugs and/or hypnosis to indoctrinate a normal person into a kamikaze assassin. The fact that they surrendered afterward point in this direction, as they basically gave up as soon as Midular went down. Mission accomplished, program ends, and the agent is now standing there with a stupid look on their face wondering why they're holding an empty assault rifle.
When you've been on the receiving end of the Bloody Hands for enough generations you learn a lot about the methods used by terrorists & political assassins.
Live Events are neither. |
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