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Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:58:00 -
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When the other side just has a bigger blob then that's it, end of story.
And I'm not talking fighting force here, just more players earning isk by plexing in wcs ships.
I would rather that all had T2 bonus all the time than this.
This has been put up many times before, so I guess the text is landing on deaf ears too. Just pissed off that nothing is being done about it.
Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
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Posted - 2013.04.15 12:56:00 -
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Gunship wrote:When the other side just has a bigger blob then that's it, end of story.
And I'm not talking fighting force here, just more players earning isk by plexing in wcs ships.
I would rather that all had T2 bonus all the time than this.
This has been put up many times before, so I guess the text is landing on deaf ears too. Just pissed off that nothing is being done about it.
Aye mentioned quite a few times (including by me).
It is the main factor for FW becoming stale, but CCP have already said, "We're happy with FW"....
In other words... they don't do FW as everyone in FW know the downfalls of Tier 1. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
Hard Knocks Inc.
127
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:56:00 -
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It has grown stale for a lot of reasons, I was with Amarr and Gunship for that matter doing some FW pew and have to agree that T1 should be buffed, I like the tier system but maybe only a -15% LP payout for T1
T4 is broken because well..... it is most likely the best isk in the game...my spreadsheets for LP conversion are a bit out of date but I was easily earning 320-350k LPs and 35-40mill isk in rewards per trip of running L4s duel boxing bombers. This would take me about, 2 or 2.5 hours
This was around 120mill isk an hour at 850 isk per LP (pretty easy to find if you looked), even moving navy battleships would get you around 800 and move LP fast
Now that im in a C5, I have to say for just earning isk an L4 FW would be better, its about the same isk, maybe a bit less, but in FW you can do it non stop all you want, and your duel boxing two ships for a combined total of 100mill isk
In the C5 im watching my back the best I can in a billiion isk fit tengu
It still is fun in the WH and really enjoying the challenges and being able to fly ships that you really cant in FW but....the risk to reward is really screwed in FW
This would also be the same compared to Null, where in a Faction or Pirate BS with Carrier support you might make 25-35mill more isk an hour than a guy duel boxing bombers in Minnie FW, but your risking 4 -5 billion isk in assents in null and often cloakly camped or in war so you cant run Havens,
While in FW you can be in an NPC corp and churn out all you want
This is why it has become a heaven of alts |
Tsobai Hashimoto
Hard Knocks Inc.
127
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:18:00 -
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i think anyone that truely wishes to see some change in fw should stage a protest. thoigh im not sure it would help unless done on a scale of huge size
honestly everyone should mass change to ome side and farm the **** out of it. will take ccp 3 momths and they will change it up lol if not sooner |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
610
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Posted - 2013.04.19 10:01:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:...honestly everyone should mass change to ome side and farm the **** out of it. will take ccp 3 momths and they will change it up lol if not sooner How do you you reckon? After the initial FarmWar patch/expansion (Inferno, June 2012) it took 4-5 months to get a change through .. that is what we have now (Oct. 2012) and it is coming up on its eight months anniversary.
I am all for hope, but it should be founded on reasonable expectations and not blind faith.
Problem for me is that I have lost all sight of what CCP actually wants FW to be in relation to the rest of Eve and have a sneaking suspicion that they have themselves lost sight of it .. no other explanation fits, changes have been semi random and follow-through non-existent almost as if they they are using trial-and-error as a tool
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Tsobai Hashimoto
Hard Knocks Inc.
127
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:29:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:...honestly everyone should mass change to ome side and farm the **** out of it. will take ccp 3 momths and they will change it up lol if not sooner How do you you reckon? After the initial FarmWar patch/expansion (Inferno, June 2012) it took 4-5 months to get a change through .. that is what we have now (Oct. 2012) and it is coming up on its eight months anniversary. I am all for hope, but it should be founded on reasonable expectations and not blind faith. Problem for me is that I have lost all sight of what CCP actually wants FW to be in relation to the rest of Eve and have a sneaking suspicion that they have themselves lost sight of it .. no other explanation fits, changes have been semi random and follow-through non-existent almost as if they they are using trial-and-error as a tool
Well 3 months if it truely was a mass move to one FW side....as in, get minnies T5 and Amarr would have near zero active pilots....milk the isk as much as one can, show our incomes, post it, recruit as many isk jew horders as you can...... just get PVE guys and show them how to spam L4s, crash the isk per LP market :-P
I think it would be fun, could get on some EVE news if done right and could turn some heads
Im thinking right now of making a FW Minnie corp...... "Amarrians Need Isk Too" or something along them lines lol
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Gunship
FATAL Warfare
136
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Posted - 2013.04.20 17:55:00 -
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just giving this a hopeless bump Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
611
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Posted - 2013.04.20 23:57:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:... crash the isk per LP market :-P... Way too late for the party my dear. FW LP market bottomed out years ago on a semi-rotational basis (from bomber 4's) and has since the Infernal patch been permanently depressed for all militias.
LP gains are not the problem per se, or at least not all of it, far bigger part is the underlying system of tier beings manipulated by unaffiliated farmers to maximize their intake and wreaking havoc on the warzones in the process.
In the beginning I wanted a mesh of PvP and PvE to help set FW apart from the rest of Eve, but the utterly useless/hopeless patches of the the past 2-3 years have convinced me that CCP has no clue as to how to go about it .. so no I advocate a complete segregation of the two.
Example: Pop-up on plex timer start, asking if LP or VP is wanted .. and never the twain shall meet. With a 30km activation sphere one can be fairly certain that timer start wont happen with any tangible threat in immediate vicinity so hard to find a downside.
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Tsobai Hashimoto
Hard Knocks Inc.
130
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Posted - 2013.04.21 20:37:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:... crash the isk per LP market :-P... Way too late for the party my dear. FW LP market bottomed out years ago on a semi-rotational basis (from bomber 4's) and has since the Infernal patch been permanently depressed for all militias. LP gains are not the problem per se, or at least not all of it, far bigger part is the underlying system of tier beings manipulated by unaffiliated farmers to maximize their intake and wreaking havoc on the warzones in the process. In the beginning I wanted a mesh of PvP and PvE to help set FW apart from the rest of Eve, but the utterly useless/hopeless patches of the the past 2-3 years have convinced me that CCP has no clue as to how to go about it .. so no I advocate a complete segregation of the two. Example: Pop-up on plex timer start, asking if LP or VP is wanted .. and never the twain shall meet. With a 30km activation sphere one can be fairly certain that timer start wont happen with any tangible threat in immediate vicinity so hard to find a downside.
And from that point on around 17 VPs per day will be accounted for! w00t!
Want to dump the farm fest? Setup a roll back timer if you leave or cloak in a plex fix tags so that doing full L4s in a non SB is a bit more worth it reduce the effect of the tier system, you should get something if your winning,... T1 -25%, +50% per each tier over T2, not 75% increase the LP cost in store very slightly, maybe add a bit more isk base cost, but very little.
This will reduce the income, right now minnies can get around 750 isk per LP selling Faction BS, doing a L4 in a bomber is easy and earns you 55-60k LP plus 6mill isk. When duel boxing bombers and getting 10-12 missions at a time you can earn 250-300m an hour easy, this makes people from null and other areas that just want isk, move alts or even mains to FW just to earn isk
the rewards are to high, cut the income for FW high end by half, make the low end a tad better.....this way FW can be what it needs to be, small gang pvp with a way to pay for losses and maybe a bit of savings, but not be such good isk that people are docking up there Faction BS and Ratting Carrier in null so they can use a bomber in FW and earn better isk
T1 should earn around 75mill isk an hour, and work up to T4 at around 125m an hour, 150m at T5
you keep it around that range and everyone has fun, loosing side can pay for some ships and have fun, winners can make decent money and pay for ships to have fun, a lot of the alts will go away and back to ratting in a carrier in null making 150-200m an hour
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
877
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:38:00 -
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Gunship wrote:When the other side just has a bigger blob then that's it, end of story.
And I'm not talking fighting force here, just more players earning isk by plexing in wcs ships.
I would rather that all had T2 bonus all the time than this.
This has been put up many times before, so I guess the text is landing on deaf ears too. Just pissed off that nothing is being done about it.
IMO The problem is not the rewards themselves. Its how you get the rewards. The most effective way to win sov is by flying stabbed ships and avoiding all pvp. That is the problem that needs correcting. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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