Karin Midular has been sent to Pator

This is why jumping to conclusions and flailing about in unbridled rage is extremely unwise when things haven't even settled down. Since the whole Caille massacre, I have emphasized the importance of waiting until they've even scraped the blood off the walls. But no, we demanded that the rest of the cluster functions to our timetable and our demands. I could go on, but I have a feeling even those who jumped at the chance to decry the Federation knew all they had to do was shut up, sit down, and wait.

Is it just maybe possible she is being relocated because of the outcry? Couldn't be...

Very likely. And now it won't be the Federation's responsibility if she dies because of the move.

I suppose if it's acceptable to nag on someone for making a claim at being right, it's also acceptable to discuss how wonderful it is that the Republic was kind enough to thank the Federation for the transfer, for waiting to do it until she was stabilized, and for her care in general?


Oh. Double checking, that's not actually in the Republic's statement. Ah well.

Gotta say, when I read 'The importance of Patience and Shutting Up' and that it had been posted by Mr. Inhonores, I was almost sure this was going to be a thread about self-discovery and a public apology.

Thank you for allowing incompetent security to guard my chief, which resulted in her assassination attempt and the deaths of dozens of people.

Thank you for years of treating me and mine like we are children.

Thank you for your arrogant, pompous attitude towards every situation and absolute refusal to accept responsibility for anything.

Thank you for attempting to force your ways, from your views that tattoos are "barbaric" to attempting to force your government on us, under the guise of "assistance".

And thank you for continuing to fight a deadly, bloody war against the Caldari, which recently culminated in an event so horrid that it resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people.

From the bottom of my heart,

THANKS.

And I get a "I can do no wrong", holier-than-thou response like this.

So, we're both living up to the stereotype, then?

I suppose if that is how you choose to read in to it. I'm just not sure how you can assume that all of those points you listed are upheld by me personally without stereotyping.

I guess I didn't know that having an interest in the dynamics of a debate or argument made me a champion of all of the Federation's opinions. My apologies.

I suppose if that is how you choose to read in to it. I'm just not sure how you can assume that all of those points you listed are upheld by me personally without stereotyping.

I guess I didn't know that having an interest in the dynamics of a debate or argument made me a champion of all of the Federation's opinions. My apologies.

I'm sorry for interrupting, sir, but it seems as if you are unaware of the way you expressed emotion in your original statement. I think I have found where Shaman Surionen's reply originates.

If I may, sir, it was in your use of sarcasm. You spoke sarcastically about a lack of gratitude from the Republic, thus demonstrating your opinions and engendering the good Shamans' response. Your following claim that you did not express an opinion... I'm not entirely sure where that comes from. I'm sorry, sir, my social skills are actually rather poor. But I think this is an adequate summary of the initial exchange.

Thank you for admitting my interruption.

You ignorant Federals (oh, and I get to call you that since, technically, I still hold Federal citizenship) are making it harder and harder for people to take anything you say seriously. Please drop the condescending, arrogant and patronizing attitudes. I was taught by my Gallentean parents that in order to get respect one must give respect. I wish you would at least make a token attempt to live up to the high ideals enshrined in the Federal constitution. Instead all we get is finger pointing, disrespect, intolerance and bigotry.

Damned if I'm not starting to doubt my upbringing and believe the Caldari accusations of cultural imperialism. At least the Amarr are honest about what they want.

This is seriously little more than a debate to you, isnt it? Were you captain of the logic club in university or something?

Ad hom?

Wow. You really do not get it, do you?

And in all this time there has been barely any gratitude to the medical team who made this possible, if they weren't being criticised for not allowing other Doctors to assist to tick boxes on the "political points" scorecard. People are now stating their lack of comfort in her being moved, after recently demanding the complete opposite.

I'm far from innocent in the arguing, but thank you.

This right here is the core of what is bothering numerous people.

Sometimes one needs to recognize that because one can ask a question does not mean that one should. Emotions are running high among our friends because they have suffered a terrible loss, as have many families in the Federation. It may be hard for some of us to reconcile an understanding of her deep cultural importance to her tribe with the egalitarian values we tend to hold.

We have treated her as we would any Citizen of the Federation, and see this as a virtue in ourselves. For her tribal brothers and sisters, however, she is their Chief and a Ray of Matar. Her status is more than rational, logical debate and discourse can easily explain. This is why your questions are not being evaluated the way you want them to be. This is the point Ava is trying to drive home.

Theirs has been a deeply emotional reaction. We should not be trying to claim some kind of rational high ground.

Theirs has been a deeply emotional reaction. We should not be trying to claim some kind of rational high ground.

Sarcasm is the use of irony to mock or belittle.

If you goal is to have a useful discussion with people who are already on edge, it's a counterproductive rhetorical device.

And in all this time there has been barely any gratitude to the medical team who made this possible, if they weren't being criticised for not allowing other Doctors to assist to tick boxes on the "political points" scorecard. People are now stating their lack of comfort in her being moved, after recently demanding the complete opposite.