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Aistar Perihelion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:17:00 -
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My main have good projectile and shield skills, not much of anything else.
I moved to amarrian space but found that Machariel isn't too good at fighting tracking dampening Sanshas. And shield tank, while stable most of the time, would break eventually.
The main problem was in unability to deliver damage becouse my optimal/falloff was reduced to funny numbers.
So my question - what ship would be best in this situation? I think about Abaddon - but i lack laser skills, my armor skills are at 3-4. Maybe armor tanked Tempest Fleet Issue? I got very good projectile skills.
I thought about Vindicator, but its expensive and i had to train up hybrid turrets from scratch.
And i really dont know if these above are good option, it will improve tanking but can't do much about tracking dampening.
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:04:00 -
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you either need missiles or drones to do sansha effectively.
Navy raven or dominix or rattle are all good for sansha |
Novah Soul
Mostly Harmless Mining Corp
Peregrine Nation
11
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Posted - 2013.04.14 18:09:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:you either need missiles or drones to do sansha effectively.
Navy raven or dominix or rattle are all good for sansha
+1 to this suggestion. Missile and/or drone boats are really the most efficient way to run some of the more TD-heavy Sansha missions.
If you wouldn't mind waiting until the June expansion, the Typhoon will be turning into a basically pure missile platform that would do decently well against Sansha and thus you would avoid having to cross-train into Caldari if you didn't wish to do so.
That, or the new Armageddon will basically be an Amarr missile variant on the Dominix... either one would work. |
Aistar Perihelion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:15:00 -
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Novah Soul wrote:
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If you wouldn't mind waiting until the June expansion, the Typhoon will be turning into a basically pure missile platform that would do decently well against Sansha and thus you would avoid having to cross-train into Caldari if you didn't wish to do so.
That, or the new Armageddon will basically be an Amarr missile variant on the Dominix... either one would work.
Typhoon! Really? I always wanted to fly this ship but i couldn't find it usefull at PVE, Mael was far better at L4s in Minmatar space.
You say that Typhoon gonna be no longer split-weapon platform? And i'll be able to fit it with cruises/torpedoes only with full bonus? That would be awesome.
So.. there is chance for me in Amarr space yet. I will wait till Odyssey for it.
thank you for suggestions - very helpful!
I like Rattlesnakes design but my drone skills are low and i really like have full moving freedom. Maybe i'll give Rattle a try, but i know Typhoon gonna be my ship of choice as i always *loved* how it looks. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:48:00 -
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Aistar Perihelion wrote:My main have good projectile and shield skills, not much of anything else.
I moved to amarrian space but found that Machariel isn't too good at fighting tracking dampening Sanshas. And shield tank, while stable most of the time, would break eventually.
The main problem was in unability to deliver damage becouse my optimal/falloff was reduced to funny numbers.
So my question - what ship would be best in this situation? I think about Abaddon - but i lack laser skills, my armor skills are at 3-4. Maybe armor tanked Tempest Fleet Issue? I got very good projectile skills.
I thought about Vindicator, but its expensive and i had to train up hybrid turrets from scratch.
And i really dont know if these above are good option, it will improve tanking but can't do much about tracking dampening.
You do know CCP nerfed NPC tracking disruption recently?
I use a Nightmare on one of my pilots. It's shield tanked but you will also need laser skills. I'm not sure if you want to spend the time training that. TD isn't an issue except for The Blockade since most NPC's are long dead before they even think of using a TD.
You mentioned your Machariel shield tank was "stable". I hope you don't mean cap stable. If so that could be part of your problem since you probably weren't doing enough DPS to kill the NPC's before they started TD you.
All this is variable because it would depend on your skills...
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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
767
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:54:00 -
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If your tracking skills are any good you should have no problem shooting them with guns. If I can manage it in a Nightmare with no maneuverability at all, then you should have no trouble in a Machariel. |
Aistar Perihelion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:11:00 -
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Yes, i had The Blockade in mind, was very painfull to finish it in amarr space due to TD issue. My Mach's optimal/falloff and tracking were brought to very low numbers. And i have nearly maxed gunnery skills.
I use to engage enemies between 65-20km and with all those tracking disruption i had to close at 11km to rats to even have chance to hit them, very annoying.
And no, im not talking about cap stability or permatank. My Machs loadout (i had EM/Thermal hardeners):
[Machariel]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
Heavy Nosferatu II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Vespa EC-600 x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:06:00 -
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I haven't tried the blockade in a Machariel but I have done it in a Nightmare pre NPC TD nerf and it was a PITA. I use my Navy Dominix for that mission. That was the only mission I've had issues with TD so I didn't see a need to change my main ship just for that one.
On my pilot that flies the Machariel I got tired of all the flying around so he now flies a Navy Raven (Yes I'm lazy!). It's is nice, you can pick your damage types and currently unaffected by TD. It does take a little longer to complete missions so if you're all about the ISK per hour it might not be for you. It requires no movement so that can be a good or bad thing depending on you. It can get boring I guess. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel
Templis Dragonaors
140
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:07:00 -
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I know it's not a Machariel or a Nightmare, but a Maelstrom with a 3-gyro, 2-TE fit, shooting 1400mm artillery EMP rounds, can get a +1 falloff of over 100km - and I don't think Sanshas can land TD cycles past about 85, from all reports. Use AB, MWD, or MJD to get outside their TD range but within your falloff, then alpha the fbeepers.
When I was in null, we had people who liked to use the Maelstrom against Sansha anomalies, largely because of its range and brick-smokehouse tanking abilities.
"Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..."
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Dyphorus
VC Academy
3
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:25:00 -
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Arty Mael works nicely. Allows you to engage from far enough out to mitigate most ewar and damage. Split guns into 2 groups, you can half volley frigs in the 40-70 km range.
I run sansha anoms with this daily.....
High power
8x 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
Medium power
1x Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
1x Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
1x 100MN Afterburner II
2x EM Ward Field II
1x Thermic Dissipation Field II
Low power
2x Tracking Enhancer II
3x Gyrostabilizer II
Rig Slot
2x Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
1x Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Charges
1,332x EMP L
Aside from those times I get 8-12 battleships chasing me at once, it's way over tanked. If I handle things properly, I've run hidden/forsaken rally points rarely touching my booster. |
Cage Man
186
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:50:00 -
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Aistar Perihelion wrote:Novah Soul wrote:
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If you wouldn't mind waiting until the June expansion, the Typhoon will be turning into a basically pure missile platform that would do decently well against Sansha and thus you would avoid having to cross-train into Caldari if you didn't wish to do so.
That, or the new Armageddon will basically be an Amarr missile variant on the Dominix... either one would work.
Typhoon! Really? I always wanted to fly this ship but i couldn't find it usefull at PVE, Mael was far better at L4s in Minmatar space. You say that Typhoon gonna be no longer split-weapon platform? And i'll be able to fit it with cruises/torpedoes only with full bonus? That would be awesome. So.. there is chance for me in Amarr space yet. I will wait till Odyssey for it. thank you for suggestions - very helpful! I like Rattlesnakes design but my drone skills are low and i really like have full moving freedom. Maybe i'll give Rattle a try, but i know Typhoon gonna be my ship of choice as i always *loved* how it looks.
Only problem with the phoon change is they are dropping the drone bandwidth by 25, so you will not be able to field 5 sentries. It is odd as the geddon is undergoing similar changes but it keeps its drone bandwidth..
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Aistar Perihelion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:32:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:
Only problem with the phoon change is they are dropping the drone bandwidth by 25, so you will not be able to field 5 sentries. It is odd as the geddon is undergoing similar changes but it keeps its drone bandwidth..
My drone skills ale quite basic - Hobs_II, thats all so i won't miss huge drone bay in Phoon, but i understand many ppl will. Especially that Phonn was very skill intensive, ppl maybe annoyed, but well.. as someone wrote it earlier - Eve is game of continous changes.
I like mobile ships anyway, sitting in place and shoting isnt my prefered style. Heck, i even have MWD Mael (to dictate range and shoot from @100km).
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Kasutra
Tailor Company
Hashashin Cartel
165
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:26:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Only problem with the phoon change is they are dropping the drone bandwidth by 25, so you will not be able to field 5 sentries. It is odd as the geddon is undergoing similar changes but it keeps its drone bandwidth..
Wouldn't call the changes similar. Phoon is going from all-the-systems to being missile-focused, the geddon is going drone-focused (+ cap warfare). Reducing the geddon's drone bandwidth just as it was given a drone damage bonus wouldn't have made much sense. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:02:00 -
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Confirming that Blockade is still a major Pita. I got a friend calling me in the middle of the day to ask for help with it, as he couldn't hit stuff thanks to perma TD from 3-7 ships.
I would recommend missiles. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
960
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:44:00 -
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Gimme more Cynos wrote:Confirming that Blockade is still a major Pita. I got a friend calling me in the middle of the day to ask for help with it, as he couldn't hit stuff thanks to perma TD from 3-7 ships.
I would recommend missiles.
TD coming to missiles soon^tm. By the time you've trained missiles when summer starts, td will affect them too.
That leaves the droneboats, which already got their nerf and is a pain to fly now. Bummer.
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Eternity Imortal
Gate of Demon
0
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:05:00 -
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As others have said, you don't need to switch to any other ships. Mach is totally fine, just switch 800mm with 1400mm arty and fit MJD+ sebo. and you will be fine.
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Aistar Perihelion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.04.16 06:07:00 -
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Nah.. i just don't like Machs with artillery. It just dont fit - its desecration of a holiness :) Mach is supposed to bring ACs :)
But..
I will try my MJD arty Mael.. it has 180km targeting range, 50km optimal and 70km falloff with emp/plasma and over 600dps. With Sabot even better range. I'll try that, when training up for new Typhoon. |
Hulasikaly Wada
I.Net Industry
22
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:13:00 -
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Armor tanked Typhoon with 5 cruise missiles launcher and 5 sentries is already a great sansha killer, after killed the TD ships add in your AC/arties to help dps
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