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Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:29:00 -
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This is disheartening news, to say the least. Civilians should never be the target of military action.
If the Federation Navy is sincere and honest in their denouncement of these cloned soldiers, I expect to see full action taken against them in the areas of Federal jurisdiction and assistance with the Caldari State in State jurisdiction (with State clearance, of course).
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Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:03:00 -
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Aelisha wrote:Plausible deniability, the sub-clause of any Federation initiative. This, combined with GMVA's incurably flaccid attempt at enforcing a 'historical boundary zone' only goes to show that the price of the fallaciously named cause of 'freedom and liberty' is the theft of territory and the culling of individuals for the way of life 'they should be free to choose'.
The inability of a singular capsuleer alliance to enforce its own decrees is not the fault of the Federation. The claiming of contested territory by capsuleer militias is something both governments could be considered at fault for, though again it is more-or-less the actions of independent capsuleers than the governments themselves.
At best, the argument could be made against the Federation for these rogue forces. However, it should be made clear that the Federation isn't the only government suffering rogue elements from clone soldiers. The Caldari State only recently had a similar incident occur with clone soldiers breaching the Federation border and engaging in planet-side violence in Couster.
Aelisha wrote:With the current state of the war zone, we should all be very afraid for our baseliner countrymen now at the mercy of an enemy that knows no decency or responsibility.
The rest of your post was essentially nationalistic (which I cannot fault you for) and charged against the Federation. The fact remains that both the State and the Federation have had "rogue elements" engaging in unsanctioned hostilities. Both governments have denounced these rogue elements and both governments have taken responsibility for the events leading up to the existence of these rogue elements. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:51:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Considering the nature of the clone soldiers, and that every major power has had to enact some manner of purge against the first generation, I would tend to give the Federation the benefit of the doubt on this one.
That said, that Gallente must protect Caldari from other Gallente is indeed atrocious. This is the 'liberation' that GMVA was harping about?
I remain a proponent of suspension of the CEWPA war, and a return to historical sovereignty in the embattled zones.
I commend you for being reasonable and objective, may wisdom forever guide your path.
Hadrian Tivianne wrote:I can't help but feel that most of the comments here are why the concept of peace is so unlikely.
Peace is only unlikely for as long as we allow comments like these to sway our hearts and minds toward enmity. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:07:00 -
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Hadrian Tivianne wrote:Xao Chu-Li wrote:
Peace is only unlikely for as long as we allow comments like these to sway our hearts and minds toward enmity.
You may want to consider swaying your heart and mind to take a step back and actually evaluate the words I said instead of jumping on the bandwagon.
My comment was not directed at you as culprit, it was only in response to you Captain Tivianne, it was in reference to the comments throughout the thread. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:11:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Wasn't there a statement from the Federal Navy that these killteams represented Black Ops experiments that had decided to go rogue when their funding was pulled?
That's pretty definite - as a confession of responsibility, even if not culpability for the actual atrocities.
I believe you are referring to this announcement specifically:
Quote:GÇ£The Federation Navy has ended its immortal soldier program. This squadron of soldiers was officially taken off duty, but has apparently gone rogue and stolen Naval equipment to use in continued aggressive action against the Caldari. The Navy will take all appropriate action to apprehend these criminals and try them for war crimes.GÇ¥
It should be noted that holding the Federation Navy accountable to apprehending and executing justice against these rogues is fair. It should also be noted that if the State apprehends them first, it would be well within its right to exact its own justice as the Federation Navy has denounced any affiliation to them.
However, refrain from stating that this makes the Federation Navy culpable for the atrocities of a rogue element. The Federation Navy can no more control rogue elements than the State can, as evidenced by the similar event that occurred in Couster. Let us not find new ways to point fingers at one another and instead try and deal with these rogue elements swiftly. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:35:00 -
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Absolutely, I was speaking to a more general audience. Forgive my lack of clarification. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.16 21:51:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Please show us your statistical analysis comparing the number of Caldari who have died at Caldari hands versus the number who have died at Gallentean hands over the last, say, ten years. This should be interesting.
You do realize this has absolutely no bearing on his original statement, don't you?
Your demand would include all military action against military assets and personnel, his original assertion has only to do with an isolated rogue band. A more accurate demand would be to see a statistical analysis of Caldari killed by Caldari forces versus the number of Caldari killed specifically by this rogue group since the announcement of its existence. |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.17 00:15:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:That would not be more accurate, that would just be selectively biased to only give you the numbers that you want to see.
Please, return to school and obtain a legitimate education. |
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