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Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:35:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Khaden;
how about you let Federation allies speak for themselves? An Amarrian trying to speak for the Matari needs to seriously shut up about "respecting cultural points and intricacies of others".
I was referencing recent released news articles where allies of the Federation have done just that, not to mention the communications here on IGS in the past week where that exact sentiment was expressed several times. So yes, I was letting the Minmatar speak for themselves, I was not speaking for them.
It is interesting to me how you specifically chose four words out of my entire message to attack. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
329
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:41:00 -
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Learn to count. I also referenced the part where you accuse them of not understanding the cultural points and intricacies of others. An Amarrian trying to admonish allies of the Minmatar for treating us badly is a prime example of not understanding those and acting in a condescending, pseudo-understanding way that the Federation is often accused of.
That you do not have the decency to apologize when called on it is merely further proof of pot calling kettle black.
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Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:44:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Learn to count.
"[...]even their own allies[...]"
One. Two. Three. Four.
The rest of that statement is not a reference to the Minmatar.
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I also referenced the part where you accuse them of not understanding the cultural points and intricacies of others. An Amarrian trying to admonish allies of the Minmatar for treating us badly is a prime example of not understanding those and acting in a condescending, pseudo-understanding way that the Federation is often accused of.
Except I was speaking in general, and more specifically about the sentiment expressed in this very thread regarding Amarrian religious culture and heritage. Context, Miss Rhiannon.
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Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
383
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:45:00 -
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Actually, he was just pointing out the hypocrisy in the Gallente in general:
Uriel Khaden wrote: even their own allies
Which means they do it with everyone, as they have done here with us the Amarr. It is a hypocrisy to preach respect, freedom of expression, tolerance, etc. and then proceed to act in the opposite manner on every occasion. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
158
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:01:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:Actually, he was just pointing out the hypocrisy in the Gallente in general: Uriel Khaden wrote: even their own allies Which means they do it with everyone, as they have done here with us the Amarr. It is a hypocrisy to preach respect, freedom of expression, tolerance, etc. and then proceed to act in the opposite manner on every occasion.
If I were to take your words as a general representation of the whole Amarrian Empire - a nation of trillions - I would be doing those aforementioned trillions a great disservice.
Fortunately for me, I know of a great deal of Imperialist Amarr and many others who are no longer citizens of your Empire, that frankly paint a far better and more respectable picture for me, so I don't have to take your words here at anything but face value and as representing anyone but your own generalizing self.
If only you could do the same for the one who started this childish bickering we would be better off.
More on the topic at hand, I don't expect your organization to inform *me* specifically about this, so I won't ask, but I will state that I hope you are doing something about this, if it is possible. It is not in my interest to let the Blood Raiders get away with anything, but I am tied up with other matters, and this specific case is none of my affair.
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Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:09:00 -
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BloodBird wrote:
If I were to take your words as a general representation of the whole Amarrian Empire - a nation of trillions - I would be doing those aforementioned trillions a great disservice.
Fortunately for me, I know of a great deal of Imperialist Amarr and many others who are no longer citizens of your Empire, that frankly paint a far better and more respectable picture for me, so I don't have to take your words here at anything but face value and as representing anyone but your own generalizing self.
I am unsure if you're addressing me or not, Captain Bloodbird, so if you are not then I apologize in advance for misunderstanding. However, in my own defense:
Uriel Khaden wrote:For a people that constantly espouse freedom, liberty and cultural understanding; an alarming number of Gallente express complete disregard for the cultural points and intricacies of others, even their own allies.
I actually did specify that it was individuals, not the whole. Specifically, I stated that quite a few individuals, more than I would have expected are guilty of the practice, but I did not target the whole.
I suspect, based on context, that at least the last part of your message was directly to Ensign Catillah. If the entire message was, again you have my apology for misunderstanding. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
385
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:56:00 -
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In case the comment was for me instead for captain Khaden, who has just replied in case it was for him, my answer:
BloodBird wrote:If I were to take your words as a general representation of the whole Amarrian Empire - a nation of trillions - I would be doing those aforementioned trillions a great disservice.
Fortunately for me, I know of a great deal of Imperialist Amarr and many others who are no longer citizens of your Empire, that frankly paint a far better and more respectable picture for me, so I don't have to take your words here at anything but face value and as representing anyone but your own generalizing self.
If only you could do the same for the one who started this childish bickering we would be better off.
Those were not my words, I was just trying to explain to captain Rhiannon what captain Khaden have said.
If you want my opinion, unfortunately all factions are full of hypocrites who only pay lip service to those things they are expected to believe in. But even if there are many of those, there are still more who actually do represent and believe those things that their faction holds dear. So yes, I do agree with your words, captain Bloodbird.
Quote:More on the topic at hand, I don't expect your organization to inform *me* specifically about this, so I won't ask, but I will state that I hope you are doing something about this, if it is possible. It is not in my interest to let the Blood Raiders get away with anything, but I am tied up with other matters, and this specific case is none of my affair.
I'm afraid I can't say at the moment, since I'm not a member of the leaders of the Praetoria. But I'm sure that the Admiral, Commodore and Commanders are well aware of what has happened, and will act upon it when time comes if it is possible. But, as things stand now, the situation in the Bleak Lands is quite terrible, so I'm sure it'll be a complicated decission for them to withdraw ressources from where they are so needed right now.
In any case, as I say, I do not know. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
329
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:04:00 -
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Bleaks is just fine. Go kill Raiders.
And I understood what Khaden said. He is not completely wrong, either. That is not the point.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1435
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:28:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Go kill Raiders.
The best way to execute a Sabik is with a wooden stake through the heart.
Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
735
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:31:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: We were doing our holy work a few thousand years before your federation was even a whisper.
We will be doing our work after you are dead and forgotten.
Ah thank you. Almost forgot the constant cliche of a cult existing since the dawn of time and lasting eternally. Come on you guys can think of something better than that right? And blood, why not drink another bodily fluid? There are so many others and you chose blood? How trite! Sometimes I debate whether or not the Amarrian fables meant to scare children are based off of your group, or your group is based off of the fables.
Mensha Khael Crow wrote: Aside from the obvious caveats, I suppose I could even look forward to this Gallantean cult of freedom finishing itself off in a mass suicide. The blessed reduction of idiocy of this manner just might reduce the bitterness of having to share a common cause of jubilation with some heretics, palatable.
Freedom is not the problem with the Federation, it's hedonism. Our society has been degenerating at a rapid rate, and only a handful of the population can recognize the problem. Mentas Blaque if he was to become President would certainly help turn things around, if at the cost of damaging our foreign relations, though if we collapse from the inside there we won't be able to establish relations with others now would we?
Uriel Khaden wrote: For a people that constantly espouse freedom, liberty and cultural understanding; an alarming number of Gallente express complete disregard for the cultural points and intricacies of others, even their own allies.
Forgive my rhetoric, I believe you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was merely expressing my individual opinions on the artifacts and the fighting over them, however nowhere did I disregard Amarr culture. Just because I don't find those objects meaningful doesn't mean you can't.
You are correct in the sense that there are many Gallente who do what you claim, though I feel that I should not be placed in the same category as they. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
814
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:56:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Ah thank you. Almost forgot the constant cliche of a cult existing since the dawn of time and lasting eternally.
I'm amused you think existing as a religious entity for several thousand uninterrupted years can be a cliche.
As with many of your race, you have a habit of being terribly near-sided; seeing not further than a few years in either direction.
Amarr take the long view. We work in spans of decades and centuries.
You wouldn't understand long term planning though considering your lack of mental focus... always chasing the next shiny thing like all Gallente.
Anyway as always you remain a source of humor. Oh Fred! What a rascal. I wonder what silly things he'll say next!
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
735
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:23:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: Anyway as always you remain a source of humor. Oh Fred! What a rascal. I wonder what silly things he'll say next!
Tune in to the next episode of Fred Fred Frederation and find out! The topic this week? Who knows? I sure don't! All I know is that we will maintain our tradition of remaining the most vitamin enriched and nebulae friendly program out there! Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
263
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Posted - 2013.04.22 18:11:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote: I do feel bad for the Amarr though. Unlike organized and somewhat less creepy religions, cults don't last too long either losing their popularity overtime or committing mass suicide so their souls can be saved by a Jovian Mothership.
We were doing our holy work a few thousand years before your federation was even a whisper. We will be doing our work after you are dead and forgotten.
You guys should consider unionizing. This whole 'work until the end of time' deal is pretty awful, and I bet if you all came together you could get God to see reason.
After all, who is he going to get to murder random people if you all quit? That requires incredible long term planning, and training new staff up from scratch can be a major project setback. Project Killmurder could be delayed for centuries!
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
814
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Posted - 2013.04.22 18:19:00 -
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0/10 Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Azure Industrial Technologies
80
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Posted - 2013.04.22 19:18:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote: I do feel bad for the Amarr though. Unlike organized and somewhat less creepy religions, cults don't last too long either losing their popularity overtime or committing mass suicide so their souls can be saved by a Jovian Mothership.
We were doing our holy work a few thousand years before your federation was even a whisper. We will be doing our work after you are dead and forgotten. You guys should consider unionizing. This whole 'work until the end of time' deal is pretty awful, and I bet if you all came together you could get God to see reason. After all, who is he going to get to murder random people if you all quit? That requires incredible long term planning, and training new staff up from scratch can be a major project setback. Project Killmurder could be delayed for centuries!
I don't blame you. With a face like yours, I'd be angry at God too. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. |
Aplier Shivra
1
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:04:00 -
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I think we can all agree on the reasons behind the choices of which artifacts were stolen and which were destroyed, but would anyone care to share speculations as to why the Blood Raiders left alone those which they did? |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
263
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:16:00 -
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Perhaps the reason your holy work has gone on for so long is because you aren't very good at it. |
Zakar Shazih
Blood Seraphim
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Posted - 2013.04.23 09:59:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:
And blood, why not drink another bodily fluid? There are so many others and you chose blood?
You are an ignorant peon and shall remain so.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
743
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Posted - 2013.04.23 13:22:00 -
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Zakar Shazih wrote:
You are an ignorant peon and shall remain so.
I'm sorry for making your blood boil.
Get it? Because, you're a blooder...and and you like blood...so...yeah...
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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