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Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.09.20 08:55:00 - [1] I read that most pirates have carebear alts that they use to farm and grid cash to pirate main. Is this practise common on pirate side? Isn't it kinda 2 faced? I mean you kill carebears but still use same powers to feed your pirate. It's like head is eating tail. Comments anyone? _______________________________________________ Even Ikvar agrees I'm an alt
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.20 09:43:00 - [2] A lot of pirates I know have carebear alts. I dont understand why this is twofaced. They like to blow things up and it's not always profitable. They need ISK to buy new ships. They need a clean character to go to the hubs to buy mods etc. It's a tool for a job.
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.09.20 09:51:00 - [3] The only thing I use my alt for is hauling ships and mods from high sec, don't see anything wrong with people having a PVP and a carebear character though. Originally by: James Lyrus Complaining about PvP & Pirates in EVE is like complaining about the mines in minesweeper.
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2005.09.20 11:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 20/09/2005 11:28:04 Originally by: Deja Thoris A lot of pirates I know have carebear alts. I dont understand why this is twofaced. They like to blow things up and it's not always profitable. They need ISK to buy new ships. They need a clean character to go to the hubs to buy mods etc. It's a tool for a job. Agreed but it is twofaced or hypocritical if they moan about carebears in the forums!
Avon	Posted - 2005.09.20 11:30:00 - [5] There is a big difference between a peaceful, lawful, empire dweller and a carebear. They are not the same thing at all. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Weebear	Posted - 2005.09.20 11:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Deja Thoris A lot of pirates I know have carebear alts. I dont understand why this is twofaced. They like to blow things up and it's not always profitable. They need ISK to buy new ships. They need a clean character to go to the hubs to buy mods etc. It's a tool for a job. It's not profitable to be blown up either, but I am sure that if I was to use alts to distract pirates while I sneak my main through low sec space to high space it would be branded as lame by many players (which it would be). Low security status is supposed to be a "punishment" for a pirate, but it is meaningless if they are going to use an alt to transport stuff between high-sec and low sec space. People should live with the choice they have made. If they have gone below -5.0 then they should put up with the higher prices and shortages of equipment, not use an alt to bypass it. End of the day though, it doesn't bother me, until I get killed and realise there is no real way of getting your own back!
siim	Posted - 2005.09.20 11:59:00 - [7] Turpa kiinni. ja vesi põõlle!!!! Silly Kuolematon
Taka	Posted - 2005.09.20 21:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Taka on 20/09/2005 21:33:33 Originally by: Weebear It's not profitable to be blown up either, but I am sure that if I was to use alts to distract pirates while I sneak my main through low sec space to high space it would be branded as lame by many players (which it would be). Low security status is supposed to be a "punishment" for a pirate, but it is meaningless if they are going to use an alt to transport stuff between high-sec and low sec space. People should live with the choice they have made. If they have gone below -5.0 then they should put up with the higher prices and shortages of equipment, not use an alt to bypass it. End of the day though, it doesn't bother me, until I get killed and realise there is no real way of getting your own back! Im sorry but wot you are sayiing is that pirates arent allowed alts...but mining carebears are?? well that aint right a pirate is allowed an alt to get stuff from high sec space for them just as much as a miner is allowed an alt to haul the ores they mine for them...so whats your problem?
upsideup	Posted - 2005.09.20 21:57:00 - [9] Edited by: upsideup on 20/09/2005 21:57:56 PIRATS ARE MEAN AND BAD AND SHOULDN'T GET ANY SHIPS OR MODULES PLZKTXBYE[/sarcasm] seriously, wtf? Anyone who funds their piracy by mining in barges 3 or 4 hours a day should be punched in the face. There are plenty of ways to make money a ton faster then carebearing it up in high sec. Most pirates have alts to get stuff from high sec, because thats the only place to buy stuff. Almost every pirate has an alt to haul modules/ships out of high sec. Pirates that wish to avoid this stay at a decent security status. This is one way to do it, while I would say these guys aren't full time pirates, if your security status isn't low you either suck at piracy or don't spend enough time doing it. Carebear alts for anything but hauling simply aren't neccessary, while they are pretty lame, they should be allowed at least.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.09.20 22:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Kuolematon I read that most pirates have carebear alts that they use to farm and grid cash to pirate main. Is this practise common on pirate side? Isn't it kinda 2 faced? I mean you kill carebears but still use same powers to feed your pirate. It's like head is eating tail. Comments anyone? I don't have a carebear alt. Does that make me an uber pirate or a carebear in disguise? ^^
emptydude	Posted - 2005.09.20 22:20:00 - [11] I had an ore stealing alt, if that counts --------
Galk	Posted - 2005.09.20 22:39:00 - [12] /me sits back and watches the comedy gold excuses...... Anymore ----------- "Heh believe me, theres never enough cheese to go round" Helpfull profesional support staff responce in times of trouble.
Evil Edna	Posted - 2005.09.21 00:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Avon There is a big difference between a peaceful, lawful, empire dweller and a carebear. They are not the same thing at all. this man has some common sense
Weebear	Posted - 2005.09.21 11:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Taka Edited by: Taka on 20/09/2005 21:33:33 Originally by: Weebear It's not profitable to be blown up either, but I am sure that if I was to use alts to distract pirates while I sneak my main through low sec space to high space it would be branded as lame by many players (which it would be). Low security status is supposed to be a "punishment" for a pirate, but it is meaningless if they are going to use an alt to transport stuff between high-sec and low sec space. People should live with the choice they have made. If they have gone below -5.0 then they should put up with the higher prices and shortages of equipment, not use an alt to bypass it. End of the day though, it doesn't bother me, until I get killed and realise there is no real way of getting your own back! Im sorry but wot you are sayiing is that pirates arent allowed alts...but mining carebears are?? well that aint right a pirate is allowed an alt to get stuff from high sec space for them just as much as a miner is allowed an alt to haul the ores they mine for them...so whats your problem? Thats not what I said!?! Think you have mis-understood me. I think using an alt for anything whether it be mining, hauling, pirating etc. is wrong. Just as I think using bookmarks to avoid gate pirates is also wrong. If you mine it, you haul it. If you pirate, suffer the consequences If you need something from empire and have a low sec, pay someone else to get it, or buy it and use the mission system provided to have it transported to you. Same if you are hauling. There are plenty of new players out there who will do these od jobs, for some ISK.
Nihn Lemai	Posted - 2005.09.21 11:31:00 - [15] I hate the alts! If I was in charge there would be a one character limit to every account. Yes Im a pirate. I do bad things. But I keep track of my sec rating so I can return to hub systems to restock. And if Im to short of money it happens that I even resort to mining. It is two faced, pirates who uses alts dont have the guts to stand up for themselves! Yes its easier, but EVE isnt meant to be easy!
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.09.21 11:35:00 - [16] Edited by: Princess Beefcurtains on 21/09/2005 11:41:31 Originally by: Kuolematon I read that most pirates have carebear alts that they use to farm and grid cash to pirate main. Is this practise common on pirate side? Isn't it kinda 2 faced? I mean you kill carebears but still use same powers to feed your pirate. It's like head is eating tail. Comments anyone? Originally by: Nihn Lemai I hate the alts! If I was in charge there would be a one character limit to every account. Yes Im a pirate. I do bad things. But I keep track of my sec rating so I can return to hub systems to restock. And if Im to short of money it happens that I even resort to mining. It is two faced, pirates who uses alts dont have the guts to stand up for themselves! Yes its easier, but EVE isnt meant to be easy! My comment is: stfu before I fly up your trouser leg and bite you on the ass... I use an alt to pick stuff up from high sec, nadda wrong with that tbh, aint like he's a complete carebear. Carebears cry cause it means they cant deliver for extra isk, then cry again when we order stuff cause they're stoopin nuff to get ganked by someone else cause they decided to take the route through 10 low sec systems without instas instead of the secure one that jumps right into sys. cry me a river b*tches! yarr
Taka	Posted - 2005.09.21 11:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Weebear Thats not what I said!?! Think you have mis-understood me. I think using an alt for anything whether it be mining, hauling, pirating etc. is wrong. Just as I think using bookmarks to avoid gate pirates is also wrong. If you mine it, you haul it. If you pirate, suffer the consequences If you need something from empire and have a low sec, pay someone else to get it, or buy it and use the mission system provided to have it transported to you. Same if you are hauling. There are plenty of new players out there who will do these od jobs, for some ISK. I have an alt to get stuff and modules for me. my alt is purely for that it cant mine or do anything else...just flies a little frig to collect stuff for me...BUT why should i pay other people to go collect stuff? New players are warned about going into low sec space and nearly all of them think twice about going to those systems cos they dont want their nice shiny new bantams blown up. TBH i bet you use instas to avoid gate pirates SO STOP YOUR WHINING AND PLAY THE GAME HOW IT SHOULD BE PLAYED!! EVE RULEZZ! PIRACY RULEZZ! WHINING 4TL! BY NOW MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN
Weebear	Posted - 2005.09.21 11:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Taka SO STOP YOUR WHINING AND PLAY THE GAME HOW IT SHOULD BE PLAYED!! Sure thing, creating my alts to hide behind right now.....
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.09.21 12:06:00 - [19] Edited by: Princess Beefcurtains on 21/09/2005 12:06:22 Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Taka SO STOP YOUR WHINING AND PLAY THE GAME HOW IT SHOULD BE PLAYED!! Sure thing, creating my alts to hide behind right now..... omg... HUSSHHHH!!!! How teh fug is that hiding behind an alt? What you want us to do huh?! Should we just think: "Hmmm, well I have 2 accounts, one of them is a pirate, the other main has a sec status that is pretty close to 0.0... I know, I will take the -10 into empire. Yeah, omg I'm so cleva! give me a cookie!" fs, stop your whining and go mine some veldspar like a good little
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.09.21 12:14:00 - [20] This link is absolutely perfectly related to the last few posts: CLICK IT! : Carebear Blood
Weebear	Posted - 2005.09.21 12:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Weebear on 21/09/2005 12:38:08 Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains omg... HUSSHHHH!!!! How teh fug is that hiding behind an alt? What you want us to do huh?! Should we just think: "Hmmm, well I have 2 accounts, one of them is a pirate, the other main has a sec status that is pretty close to 0.0... I know, I will take the -10 into empire. Yeah, omg I'm so cleva! give me a cookie!" fs, stop your whining and go mine some veldspar like a good little How the fug is it not! You are the one thats whining that some modules aren't available to you. Boohoo. buy in 0.1-0.5 , and if you can't find the item then tough find another way with your main to get what you want. Place a buy order with a marked up price in a system close to low sec, use the escrow mission system fix, your security status. Or just keep taking the easy way out, bypass all the restrictions that you got your character in the first place and keep using your alt. If you are still hanging around in the same area you were a few weeks ago, then Orvolle and Stacmon are both well stocked and within 1 jump of a low sec system you can enter. Getting equipment with a main should be easy.
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.09.21 12:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Weebear Edited by: Weebear on 21/09/2005 12:38:08 Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains omg... HUSSHHHH!!!! How teh fug is that hiding behind an alt? What you want us to do huh?! Should we just think: "Hmmm, well I have 2 accounts, one of them is a pirate, the other main has a sec status that is pretty close to 0.0... I know, I will take the -10 into empire. Yeah, omg I'm so cleva! give me a cookie!" fs, stop your whining and go mine some veldspar like a good little How the fug is it not! You are the one thats whining that some modules aren't available to you. Boohoo. buy in 0.1-0.5 , and if you can't find the item then tough find another way with your main to get what you want. Place a buy order with a marked up price in a system close to low sec, use the escrow mission system fix, your security status. Or just keep taking the easy way out, bypass all the restrictions that you got your character in the first place and keep using your alt. If you are still hanging around in the same area you were a few weeks ago, then Orvolle and Stacmon are both well stocked and within 1 jump of a low sec system you can enter. Getting equipment with a main should be easy. FYI: I have 2 mains I dont 'hide' behind my non pirate account, its there so ofc i use it. I dont need or want to fix my sec... I'm a pi55ing pirate, low sec comes with that, wth would i want to get my sec up to enter high sec or pay more for items so carebears can get richer? lol! Using another character is almost exactly the same as getting a corp mate with the right sec or a mate to enter high for you, only diff is its controlled by the same person... its not like I use an alt to sell stuff, scam, flame posts or smactalk people, so basically, if you define using another char to go into high sec as hiding behind it... well.. would love to hear how you can say its hiding, its just a way of not getting ripped off by greedy rich mofos who are too chicken to set up themselves in low sec cause they dont want their precious iterons to go pop. oh and another thing, what are your views on people who use alts to haul stuff and mine for them if they are not pirates?
Weebear	Posted - 2005.09.21 13:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains oh and another thing, what are your views on people who use alts to haul stuff and mine for them if they are not pirates? My views on that are in the previous posts, and they are the same as my views on pirates using them. I don't personally have a problem with people using alts. People will do whatever they want to do, no skin off my nose. I just find it pointless to play a multi-player role-playing game if people are going to use alts to bypass the negative aspects of the profession they chose to roleplay. I'm guessing most pirate corps do not have many members they can ask to go to empire and pick stuff up for them, but nothing to stop them having an arrangement with another corp to make supply runs in exchange for safe passage in the systems the operate in. I normally work out of low sec space, and at times I have been scared to go to high sec space (It happens every couple of months that the MC declare war on us :P). At one point during one of our wars I had 8 haulers worth of Trit to transport that I had bought cheaply in empire to a 0.3 so I could build a new battleship. I tried one, and had my hauler blown up by one of our war targets about 2 jumps in to high sec space. I needed the ore badly, so I put the trit in 7 different jobs and went to bed. Next morning the ore was all sitting in my hangar. I sent a bonus payment on to the person that delivered, and the offered to deliver anything else I needed while the war was ongoing. So basically what I am saying is it can be done.
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.09.21 13:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains oh and another thing, what are your views on people who use alts to haul stuff and mine for them if they are not pirates? My views on that are in the previous posts, and they are the same as my views on pirates using them. I don't personally have a problem with people using alts. People will do whatever they want to do, no skin off my nose. I just find it pointless to play a multi-player role-playing game if people are going to use alts to bypass the negative aspects of the profession they chose to roleplay. I'm guessing most pirate corps do not have many members they can ask to go to empire and pick stuff up for them, but nothing to stop them having an arrangement with another corp to make supply runs in exchange for safe passage in the systems the operate in. I normally work out of low sec space, and at times I have been scared to go to high sec space (It happens every couple of months that the MC declare war on us :P). At one point during one of our wars I had 8 haulers worth of Trit to transport that I had bought cheaply in empire to a 0.3 so I could build a new battleship. I tried one, and had my hauler blown up by one of our war targets about 2 jumps in to high sec space. I needed the ore badly, so I put the trit in 7 different jobs and went to bed. Next morning the ore was all sitting in my hangar. I sent a bonus payment on to the person that delivered, and the offered to deliver anything else I needed while the war was ongoing. So basically what I am saying is it can be done. Oki, i kinda understand where you are coming from now. You are looking at it from an RP perspective. Fine. I accept that what you are saying from that point of view. However, using another char to pick up items from high sec is in no way bypassing the drawbacks of piracy. The main drawbacks of piacy are the sec loss, being a target anywhere, bounties and mass gank fleets coming for yeh, most of which I have no problemn with at all and do not look to bypass. You kinda contradicted what you said a couple of posts back in this one. You said that one should not bypass the drawbacks of piracy, but by increasing ones sec you are doing exactly that in my view. Just one more thing: Personally I play this game purely for fun and a bit of relief from rl and do not feel the need to roleplay at all, therefore I have to say that with me, the RP arguments fall on deaf ears. I play the game purely to enjoy myself with friends i cannot otherwise see and for the adrennalin rush whilst fighting and unpredictable and always new opponent.
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.09.21 14:53:00 - [25] Alts are just a pirates way of saying "carebear" with out thier foot in thier mouth... "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.." http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.09.21 15:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Kaaii Alts are just a pirates way of saying "carebear" with out thier foot in thier mouth... big diff between the two imho lol
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.09.21 15:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains Originally by: Kaaii Alts are just a pirates way of saying "carebear" with out thier foot in thier mouth... big diff between the two imho lol Saying that with conviction doesn't make it true.... "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.." http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.09.21 15:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Princess Beefcurtains Originally by: Kaaii Alts are just a pirates way of saying "carebear" with out thier foot in thier mouth... big diff between the two imho lol Saying that with conviction doesn't make it true.... sigh not got time to argue against pointless comebacks, off to mates for dinner and beer much more fun.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.09.21 16:30:00 - [29] Currently nobod in out corp has a carebear alt to make money. The simple reason being that we make so much money from pvp thats its not necessary. If you need to do carebearing to make money, you are doing something wrong (most likely overkill or your just a noob) ----------------------------------------- WoW player > Oh no I died! I have to walk now a bit!
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.09.21 20:19:00 - [30] "n00b learn to play your class!" - Ups .. What I ment that there is MULTIPLE accounts, not just ALTS. They use second account to have separate character for more peaceful gaming experience. THATS two faced what I ment. You all were wrong except Liukas _______________________________________________ Even Ikvar agrees I'm an alt

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