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JForce
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Posted - 2005.09.20 23:39:00 -
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I'm going through a stage that I imagine most Eve players go through. Our corp, which is very small, cannot get access to 0.0. So that means our mining options are limited. Which means we can't afford the weapons to get us into 0.0. It's that whole viscious Eve circle.
HOWEVER, we will never give up, and we're not complaining...this is the reality. We seek only solutions.
So is our best bet to join an Alliance? Grow our corp? What are your thoughts on the best options for us?
JForce
CEO and Founder of NWA
NWA now recruiting
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.09.20 23:55:00 -
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Well you can join an alliance, like mine or you could decide to merge with a corp already in an alliance, merging is good as that means you can do more than a small corp, economies of scale.
However you should be prepared to defend your territory.
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.09.20 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Derron Bel on 20/09/2005 23:57:38
You could go en masse and just bust through whatever blockades there are. YOu don't need to establish a permanent presence, just a well guarded mining op. Not all of 0.0 is claimed/properly patrolled.
If you need help fighting, I suppose you could hire some mercenaries for a few hours.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.09.21 00:05:00 -
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 Originally by: JForce
I'm going through a stage that I imagine most Eve players go through. Our corp, which is very small, cannot get access to 0.0. So that means our mining options are limited. Which means we can't afford the weapons to get us into 0.0. It's that whole viscious Eve circle.
HOWEVER, we will never give up, and we're not complaining...this is the reality. We seek only solutions.
So is our best bet to join an Alliance? Grow our corp? What are your thoughts on the best options for us?
No one is stopping you from going to 0.0, just go there, but be prepare to fight....and you dont have the badest skills or weapons/ships, to make an impact
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.09.21 01:13:00 -
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my advice is this
you can scout in a ceptor or a fast frigate make sure the system got some type of "good" ore (Crokite or above I would say but there are many DO area's there is not guarded) stay in local for about a hour and if no one shows you are in a good system
buy a Medium CT and a medium intensive refinery (or L if you can afford it) set it up
now you can find a belt with a low spawn kill it and mine in BS/Barge's or if you dont have access to those ships use ninja mining in frigates/cruisers
the CT should have 2-3 days of fuel of all types it need make sure you refine the ore and let the alt take it in the hauller (as that ship disapears as it logs out) when you get a good load (depending on the time you spend on that can be as fast as a day) also make sure you offline the CT and refinery when not in use
either way you do it there are ample opertunety for a small corp to live in 0.0 (hunting is great in 0.0 as well) there is of course also the possibilety to join a aliance (I suggest Huzzah)
also what did you mean when you said cant get access to 0.0 ?? there is choke points but there are other (sometimes longer) ways into 0.0 also Huzzah space is open to travelers type in r3- in your find system but be aware that Pie and Huzzah often camp those gates so be prepared to declare who you are and why you are there (neither attacks non pirate corp without prior propocation) also there is (ocasionally pirates in R3- its always a good idear to check in local in the last .1 system (misaba I think its called)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.09.21 01:23:00 -
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There's plenty of successful corps who only mine in Empire and have excellent incomes. With the prices of todays mins, you can make a fair amount of money in Empire. You won't make as much as you could in 0.0, but you also don't have to worry about the logistics, the NPCs, the players, and all that. So you may end up making more in Empire than 0.0, given the loses you could sustain there.
Originally by: Idio T
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MrMen
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Posted - 2005.09.21 02:55:00 -
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Mining in safe space can be very profitable....if you are not making enough to subsidise some ship and module losses, have you the numbers to make it profitable even if you had acces to 0.0 space?
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.09.21 03:05:00 -
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Make friends within the teritorial alliances....
Most are not bad, and will let you have a peak if you want.
But if you want to have the icing on the cake, join up with them, but you must be ready to defend your home.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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JForce
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Posted - 2005.09.21 03:18:00 -
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Thanks for the constructive replies guys.
We do ok in Empire, don't get me wrong. But in order to build things, we need rares, and buying them would defeat the purpose in a way. And we like to be self-sufficient. As far as would mining in 0.0 be worth it with our numbers, it comes down to us not needing a hell of a lot! lol. So yes, with the few of us there are, we could get what we needed, if we could get there without risking war with the alliance/corp that controlled space.
It seems that joining an alliance is a good move, but then of course the question becomes which one to join? Or a least apply to join...
JForce
CEO and Founder of NWA
NWA now recruiting
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2005.09.21 03:30:00 -
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Joining alliance would be a good move. It's fun if you don't mind the risk of 0.0 and not a total carebear.
I would recommend trying to apply for Forsaken Empire alliance, which I am a part of. It's is fairly successful, pretty strong alliance, looking to expand. There are currently no empire wars either.
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2005.09.21 04:31:00 -
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Well looking at your ingame member count of 3, I suspect you will either need to grow or merge to really be given much consideration by most formal alliances in 0.0. However this doesn't really stop you from going to 0.0. Assuming you know what you are doing, most of the risk of 0.0 can be minimized. Knowing what to do however is something most people don't bother with before going to 0.0, resulting in hard lessons.
Second, I think you should just drop the idea of being totally self-sufficent. Trade can be a good thing, with a small corp you could be much better off focusing on doing one thing well instead of trying to do everything. At some point you will likely want tech2 toys and it this point I doubt that even the biggest corps can self produce ALL the tech2 items... even a mega supplier like NAGA has large gaps in its T2 product line.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2005.09.21 04:35:00 -
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Oh yea, if you have really small member count and you aren't a group of uber elite players, I doubt any alliance would accept you. You should just join another bigger corp.
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afk demonkiller
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Posted - 2005.09.21 04:38:00 -
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If your corp likes to be self sufficient and are good all rounders why don't you join fix they have a good rep.
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Calderio
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Posted - 2005.09.21 04:39:00 -
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I would go with moving into the nearest cluster of .4's spend the first week mining and talking with other miners,
then turn pirate and ransom/kill them all. if you do a good enough job then you can get into allaince norminally with lil or no problem. then you fix ur sec and rinse and repeat.
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.09.21 04:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rivek on 21/09/2005 04:47:08
Dont sell out like these people (and most of eve) seem to think you must. I can tell you right now that there are multiple systems in syndicate, cloud ring, and outer ring that you could easily ninja mine for zydrine. Hell the place is basically deserted most of the time. I should know, I'm one of the local pirates.
Just get yourself some mining cruisers, cheap industrials, a set of bookmarks, and go to work. Evade as necessary. If your smart, us "bad guys" can't catch you. The real badguys, regional alliances, cant really do much to you either aside from harrassment or stop your op for an evening. Its a simple fact of game mechanics.
If you feel like your up to defending yourself, grab some blackbirds, vigils, and thoraxes set up for ewar, tackling, and damage respectively and go to town. Minimal risk and maximum fun. You don't need uber skillpoints, uber gear, or uber numbers. You just need the will to do it and a head on your shoulders.
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It occured to me you might have trouble with the npcs with just cruisers. One of you needs to be in a BS that can handle that stuff. A dominix appears to do wonderfully with an armor tank, a bay full of heavy drones, and 6 mining lasers. I have mining level 1 and zero time behind a mining laser so I dont know for sure though.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2005.09.21 08:03:00 -
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There's the raid option. If you feel like boosting your adrenaline for a while, understand that you WILL lose ships and maybe get podded a few times (don't bother with implants yet), it will be fun. If on the other hand you pull off a few raids and DON'T get whacked at all, you will look infinitely more attractive and skilled to any alliance you might wish to join. It'll be a good skills self-assessment  .
You could go full-on carebear mode for a while. Stay in Empire, let any real dedicated industrial lunatics you have go for things like Scrapmetal processing. Learn what craploot and whatnot refines to good stuff. With only 3 members you'll likely not need tens of thousands of mega and zyd right away anyway, yes?
Become arms dealers. Get good at making stuff - even ammo will do to start. Find a near the edge of a high-conflict zone and keep it stocked will tons of ammo at decent pricing. Better yet, find one on the "other" edge of a combat zone, where pilots may be too far from any home bases to restock.
There's dozens of options really, the thing is to poke at a bunch of them and see what works for you and what you enjoy, otherwise you'll get bored no matter how 'successful' it is.
Oh. And when you get that first BPO or whatever, give it to no one that isn't your core group of founders under any circumstances. Don't give out hangar access freely, don't listen to 'mercenary researchers,' none of it. I'm very serious.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.21 08:14:00 -
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majority of alliance space is empty anyways. Screw'em I say and just go there. If you work in teams you can easily pull off the cash you need from poppin NPCs and mining that you can recover any loss.
Hell you wanna get under the said alliances skin? Claim a system. What are they gonna do? Blockade the system? lol act as a gas move to the path of least resistance while they are there camping one of your decoys...your off happily mining or whatever you want to do somewhere else.
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baldurk
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Posted - 2005.09.21 08:38:00 -
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When mining or npc chaining in systems you don't belong in, you just need to look at a few factors:
Is this system far enough away from the highway to be ignored?
Are there stations or empire gates nearby?
Is there a HUGE police and npc kill blob around here?
Are there any pilot blobs around here?
0.0 is there for the taking. You will find it to be safer than you expect, as most of the time its almost deserted. Just stay sharp, keep checking your map, and don't go into any system without gate to gate, and midpoint bookmarks.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.21 08:48:00 -
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In the long run being in an alliance is probably the easier option.
Sure you have to do your bit to protect it, but then so do all the other members.
You have mutual support, logistics, advice and contacts.
Pick wisely though.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.09.21 08:53:00 -
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Contact me in-game. I might be of some help.
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RedlegSA
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Posted - 2005.09.21 13:41:00 -
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If one wanders into 0.0, is there anywhere to dock freely? For example, if I do find a quiet part of 0.0 and try the 'ninga mining' option - where can I store the ore, repair the ship, buy things, etc? Is it POS only, or are there NPC stations in 0.0?
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Baleine4Nerver
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Posted - 2005.09.21 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: RedlegSA
If one wanders into 0.0, is there anywhere to dock freely? For example, if I do find a quiet part of 0.0 and try the 'ninga mining' option - where can I store the ore, repair the ship, buy things, etc? Is it POS only, or are there NPC stations in 0.0?
Theres loads and loads of NPC Stats to dock at, the problem though is that you will find lots of players probably ruling alliance players at that in that system or the surrounding.
So, ninja mining would have to be done away from that system as you can gurantee you wont be able to do it in peace. You would need to Book mark your route to your chosen mining spot, be happy with transpoting back to stat or get a small op running with a m8 using the bm's and haul..
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