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Sean Harpvire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.22 21:52:00 - [1] - Quote Say skills, isk and gank risk is no concern, what's the BEST of the best for the Navy Raven?
Hakaimono Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly 118	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:49:00 - [2] - Quote Gank risk will always be a concern if you're trying to pimp your CNR and announce it all over the forums.
Myriad Blaze 39	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:54:00 - [3] - Quote The way you worded your question, I'm not sure that there is a corrrect answer. For example an all officer fit CNR might have the best figures on paper, but actually fielding such a fit is anything but a good idea for obvious reasons. And "the best" would be quite different with regard to what you want to fly against. For L4 missions shield hardeners vary with npc type. And a PvE build would get you killed in PvP fast (actually I would suggest to stay away from PvP with a CNR, especially a faction fit CNR - such a ship is just an invitation to everyone to shot you to pad their killboards). Besides this there are also different fitting philosophies: with or without AB/MWD? With or without target painters? Pulsed shield tank or perma boosted shield tank? Etc. And your decision will affect what you need in other places ... like capacitator rigs for a perma boosted shield tank or rigor rigs if you don't have a TP etc. In short, there are several good CNR fits but it depends on what you want it for and also on your playstyle.
Cage Man 192	Posted - 2013.04.23 00:38:00 - [4] - Quote For PVE it works just fine with 3 x CN BCS's and a Pith C XL shield booster. Rest can be T2. Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa.......
ACE McFACE Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve 1222	Posted - 2013.04.23 01:42:00 - [5] - Quote Its called a Machariel You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument!
stoicfaux 2610	Posted - 2013.04.23 03:11:00 - [6] - Quote 9 minutes of cap should be plenty to kill off the current pocket. You'll want to tweak the hardeners/SBAs if you go up against Sansha/Amarr NPCs. Against Guristas or Serps, you may want to add ECCM or a sensor booster in place of one SBA. [Raven Navy Issue, Sure, why not?] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Domination Target Painter Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x3
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 109	Posted - 2013.04.23 04:03:00 - [7] - Quote Sean Harpvire wrote: Say skills, isk and gank risk is no concern, what's the BEST of the best for the Navy Raven? Here's what I would go for. If you post the system you mission in I would even help you run some missions :D [Raven Navy Issue, Gank me!] Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Large Shield Booster Estamel's Modified EM Ward Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Estamel's Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Cruise Missile [empty high slot] Large Processor Overclocking Unit I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Salvage Drone I x5
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 158	Posted - 2013.04.23 05:57:00 - [8] - Quote [Raven Navy Issue, L4s] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II EM Ward Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile [Empty High slot] Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I Garde II x3 Hobgoblin II x5 Here's what I used to use, I feel it's cost effective, no money wasted really, you could throw more at it but it won't really improve your mission time by much.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 87	Posted - 2013.04.23 07:33:00 - [9] - Quote CN cruise launchers are a decent increase to dps
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8806	Posted - 2013.04.23 08:02:00 - [10] - Quote An AB is also extremely useful. Plus it will increase your effective tank a little. Malcanis' Law:-á "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 158	Posted - 2013.04.23 08:22:00 - [11] - Quote Malcanis wrote: An AB is also extremely useful. Plus it will increase your effective tank a little. Tank isn't really an issue if you fit it right, but yeah, you need an AB for some missions with gatecrawls/mission item pickups or you'll have to slowboat there which will ruin your mission time. These missions are a minority though, most can be done by just sitting in one place and tanking and ganking.
Texty State War Academy Caldari State 51	Posted - 2013.04.24 05:08:00 - [12] - Quote [Raven Navy Issue] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Domination Target Painter Domination Target Painter Domination Target Painter Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Auto Targeting System II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 I tried this on Duality with the cruise missile changes. I got Gone Berserk and this kills BSs in 2-3 shots, cruisers in a single shot. Pretty fun :)
M'iranna State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 07:03:00 - [13] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: [Raven Navy Issue, Sure, why not?] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Domination Target Painter Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x3 It's a great fit! The major difference in what I use is that,I have 2 T2 rigor rigs, and 1 T1 flare. Is the damage application better with your rig setup?
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 269	Posted - 2013.04.25 01:56:00 - [14] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: CN cruise launchers are a decent increase to dps Nope. You only get 2 dps more per launcher when compared to t2 launchers. So with 7 launchers you get 14 more dps. On the other hand, CN bcs is a great upgrade. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
loki energon Voodoo Children Workers Trade Federation 15	Posted - 2013.04.25 03:11:00 - [15] - Quote ive taken your standard CNR and replaced the faction xl-booster with an XL ancillary shield booster, and the AB with a micro-jump drive. with an effective range of 150km, its a simple task to mjd out 100km and pop npcs well out of their effective range. kill em all.
stoicfaux 2616	Posted - 2013.04.25 04:01:00 - [16] - Quote M'iranna wrote: The major difference in what I use is that,I have 2 T2 rigor rigs, and 1 T1 flare. Is the damage application better with your rig setup? Ok, now I see we have all kinds of rigor/flare setups here. Let's talk about which has the best damage application. 1. 2 rigor T1 + 1 rigor T2 2. 2 rigor T2 + 1 flare T1 3. 1 rigor T2 + 1 rigor T1 + 1 flare T2 2xRigor IIs and one t1 flare should be best. I wouldn't sweat it too much.
Sean Harpvire Merchants Marines Group 7 0	Posted - 2013.04.30 08:31:00 - [17] - Quote Thank you very much you wonderful people. But alas, a Faction/Officer CNR is a pipe dream for me, least I have something to aim for!
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 979	Posted - 2013.04.30 08:57:00 - [18] - Quote Sean Harpvire wrote: Thank you very much you wonderful people. But alas, a Faction/Officer CNR is a pipe dream for me, least I have something to aim for! you are a very humble man if all you dream of is a mission boat... "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Caitlyn Tufy Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 260	Posted - 2013.04.30 09:02:00 - [19] - Quote Sean Harpvire wrote: Say skills, isk and gank risk is no concern, what's the BEST of the best for the Navy Raven? Not the best of the best, but still a bling fit: [Raven Navy Issue, Thor's Hammer] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Gistum A-type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Domination Target Painter Large Micro Jump Drive Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I Garde II x3 Hobgoblin II x5 Add CM-606 and RL-1006 for max dps. In Odyssey, this thing will be capable of scary ranged dps. Coming to a trading hub near you at mere 4 billion isk and change (implants not included) :D
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 451	Posted - 2013.04.30 09:30:00 - [20] - Quote Sean Harpvire wrote: Thank you very much you wonderful people. But alas, a Faction/Officer CNR is a pipe dream for me, least I have something to aim for! Officer fit missioning BSs aren't a good goal, more like something to avoid at all. It will just get you ganked while you'll have little to no performance improvement out of it. Keep in mind that PvE boat is an investment and if all the revenue goes into improving it, it kinda kills entire reason to have one (unless it's a goal on its own because you can). Remember that it will take forever for overblinged boat to pay itself off when compared to something like "T2 + faction damage mods" fit. Also, I love how everyone came up with PvE fits even though OP said "solo", which usually implies... Well, something people don't really do in Navy Ravens Although it seems that PvE fit was exaclty what OP meant. P.S. "ISK is no concern" in OP and then "faction fits are pipe dream" in the next post? Erm, excuse me?
Bi-Mi Lansatha The Scope Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2013.04.30 11:30:00 - [21] - Quote M'iranna wrote: Ok, now I see we have all kinds of rigor/flare setups here. Let's talk about which has the best damage application. 1. 2 rigor T1 + 1 rigor T2 2. 2 rigor T2 + 1 flare T1 3. 1 rigor T2 + 1 rigor T1 + 1 flare T2 I use option #1, but believe the math would show option #2 is better. All of them are fairly close
John Ratcliffe Sausy Sausages 151	Posted - 2013.04.30 13:09:00 - [22] - Quote Regardless of ISK, the fit I'd use for a CNR is: CN BCU CN BCU CN BCU CN BCU Damage Control II Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Gist A-Type Resist Gist A-Type Resist RF Target Painter RF Target Painter Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster CMII & T2 Ammo x 7 Drone Link II T1 Flare T2 Rigor T2 Rigor Hobgoblin II x 5 You could spend more ISK, but why? You won't see the cost reflected in performance. This fit is pretty much max DPS. You could swap out the DCII for a DDA on a per mission basis, otherwise pretty sweet IMHO. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose
John Ratcliffe Sausy Sausages 151	Posted - 2013.04.30 13:14:00 - [23] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: M'iranna wrote: Ok, now I see we have all kinds of rigor/flare setups here. Let's talk about which has the best damage application. 1. 2 rigor T1 + 1 rigor T2 2. 2 rigor T2 + 1 flare T1 3. 1 rigor T2 + 1 rigor T1 + 1 flare T2 I use option #1, but believe the math would show option #2 is better. All of them are fairly close With T2 ammo I think Option #2 is best. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 171	Posted - 2013.04.30 13:38:00 - [24] - Quote I see some Micro Jump Drive fitted on some fits, I haven't tried one, but I don't see why you'd use one? It jumps you a fixed 100km right? So it's no use for gate crawling which is the only reason I fit a prop on my Raven. Surely jumping further away from the battlefield is pointless as then your TPs are in deep falloff and volley counting is a nightmare, it can't be to help tanking as a regular setup would tank it fine just sitting there, and you're not saving any slots with the MJD either. On top of all that you then have to MJD back and slowboat to the next gate? Is there something huge I'm missing here?
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 108	Posted - 2013.04.30 14:03:00 - [25] - Quote MJD allows you to exclusively fit gank and not worry about tank since it propels you away from most rats' optimals
Sean Harpvire Merchants Marines Group 7 0	Posted - 2013.04.30 15:48:00 - [26] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Sean Harpvire wrote: Thank you very much you wonderful people. But alas, a Faction/Officer CNR is a pipe dream for me, least I have something to aim for! Officer fit missioning BSs aren't a good goal, more like something to avoid at all. It will just get you ganked while you'll have little to no performance improvement out of it. Keep in mind that PvE boat is an investment and if all the revenue goes into improving it, it kinda kills entire reason to have one (unless it's a goal on its own because you can). Remember that it will take forever for overblinged boat to pay itself off when compared to something like "T2 + faction damage mods" fit. Also, I love how everyone came up with PvE fits even though OP said "solo", which usually implies... Well, something people don't really do in Navy Ravens Although it seems that PvE fit was exaclty what OP meant. P.S. "ISK is no concern" in OP and then "faction fits are pipe dream" in the next post? Erm, excuse me? "Say" That was the word I used before I posted the question, implying that IF isk etc was no concern. But sadly, it is. xD
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 171	Posted - 2013.05.01 00:30:00 - [27] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: MJD allows you to exclusively fit gank and not worry about tank since it propels you away from most rats' optimals A regular fitted Raven already has max gank, you can maybe fit another TP (which will be in deep falloff and thus not work most of the time) but that's it, not to mention volley counting/waiting for them to hit means you'll actually lose some dps. On gunboats you'll have to operate with longer range ammo which will reduce your damage meaning that any extra gank modules you fit will be cancelled out by having to use lower damage ammo (or drones). I guess its good for noobs with bad cap/tank skills but I've never had any problems tanking just sitting there and blowing everything up.
stoicfaux 2643	Posted - 2013.05.01 02:16:00 - [28] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Keep in mind that PvE boat is an investment and if all the revenue goes into improving it, it kinda kills entire reason to have one (unless it's a goal on its own because you can). Remember that it will take forever for overblinged boat to pay itself off when compared to something like "T2 + faction damage mods" fit. You can sell the modules/ship. Quote: Also, I love how everyone came up with PvE fits even though OP said "solo", which usually implies... Well, something people don't really do in Navy Ravens Although it seems that PvE fit was exaclty what OP meant. Well the thread title does contain "L4": "Ultimate Solo Navy Raven L4 Fit?"
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 388	Posted - 2013.05.01 02:46:00 - [29] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: [quote=Barrogh Habalu] You can sell the modules/ship. As long as it does not go BOOM!...
Seolfor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.05.01 12:31:00 - [30] - Quote Cringe Please open EFT and calculate what each additional CN BCS is adding to your dps. Running L4s the tank required is limited. Further, running L4s efficiently means blitzing through them. You really dont require 2 TPs and 3 Rigors to kill every single frigate in existence, unless your going Full Ret@rd and killing every single rat in a L4. Save yourself some ISK, buy and blitz L4s in a 500m Tengu. Profit. Fits posted in this thread with zero prop mods are especially cringeworthy.

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