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Randay
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Posted - 2005.09.24 22:29:00 -
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sigh, meridius is right, but i cant just sit back and let these people represent everyone.
from the drawingboard in regards to t2 BS:
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Moved back to Drawingboard for now in favor of other features for next major release (Like Combat Revisited, the possible Drone Revisited and the new NPC Revisited)
Says nothing about thier past efforts being failures or successes, just says that they are focusing on content that is closer to release then T2 BS.
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Which was what? That they're going to get a resistance bonus of between 1 and 5000? I ignored the last sentence because it completely contradicts everything that you've said so far, including the quoted sentence. And FYI there is an established difference between a) quoting the sentence which looked like the pivotal one and b) making [excrement] up
Facts:
1) All T2 ships have resistance boosts.
2) T2 BS already have boosted resistance in the database.
3) Theyve been pushed back to drawingboard status in favor of new features coming out in next big patch.
Opinion:
1) I want them to have high resistances. Based on FACT, T2 BS will most likely come into existance with some kind of resistance boost, probably very close to what is being represented in the database atm.
2) You dont want them to have high resistances. Based on OPINION, T2 BS that are in the database atm are a complete failure and have been sent back to the drawingboard because they need to be rebuilt and rethought completely.
Conclusion:
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:08:00 -
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these things are gona be expensive, very expensive,
base price will most probably be >500mil since the difference in t2 ships are about 4x t1 version
now the t2 manufacturer isnt gona sell at base price, cos well they never do.
usually a markup of 400%-1000% is introduced, assume 500%
that gives us a cost of 2.5bil
now, assuming that t2 BS are ever released, would you pay 2.5bil isk for a t2BS with t1 HP and resistance??? i really dont think so,
so you need to think of a way to make them usefull yet only BS surviveability
perhaps gang bonouses built in, like +2% to gang resistances, +2% to range + falloff, +2% to tracking ect
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.09.25 06:33:00 -
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so you need to think of a way to make them usefull yet only BS surviveability
Why shouldn't a rich person have a 2.5 bil ship that easily tanks one 200 mil ship? Even assuming the 200 mil ship has full gank, the T2 version should be able to tank it if not infinitely, then at least for quite some time. Justify the 20-fold increase in price plz.
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2005.09.25 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Levin Cavil on 25/09/2005 07:30:03
I'd like to see them as a Super HAC but instead of extra damage bonuses give them extra tanking bonuses, BS already do more DPS than they should but they are fragile, if the T2 mega had T2 resists and a mwd cap bonus with armor repping bonus that would rock. We dont need more damage we need more tank.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.09.25 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Levin Cavil
Edited by: Levin Cavil on 25/09/2005 07:30:03
I'd like to see them as a Super HAC but instead of extra damage bonuses give them extra tanking bonuses, BS already do more DPS than they should but they are fragile, if the T2 mega had T2 resists and a mwd cap bonus with armor repping bonus that would rock. We dont need more damage we need more tank.
Good luck finding a sap whos going to pay 1 bil for a ship that will die to any NOS whoring tech 1 battleship.
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.09.25 08:49:00 -
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Let them fit capital armor repairers and have a 99% cap reduction bonus to armor repairing. Then 95% bonus to the resists across the board and a nice 50% dmg bonus per level. Oh, and I forgot about the 200% range bonus so we can start to snipe with neutron blasters. Well, now we can be sure it won't die to a t1 BS... uh, wait...
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Xardrix
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Posted - 2005.09.25 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Levin Cavil
Edited by: Levin Cavil on 25/09/2005 07:30:03
I'd like to see them as a Super HAC but instead of extra damage bonuses give them extra tanking bonuses, BS already do more DPS than they should but they are fragile, if the T2 mega had T2 resists and a mwd cap bonus with armor repping bonus that would rock. We dont need more damage we need more tank.
Good luck finding a sap whos going to pay 1 bil for a ship that will die to any NOS whoring tech 1 battleship.
Thats the real risk isn't it. I mean, why fly a billion isk ship into PVP when a tech 1 with NOS or ECM could destroy it utterly? Thats why i think it won't be over balanced, including Dreads, Titans and Carriers that are coming out, or out allready.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.09.25 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
probably very close to what is being represented in the database atm.
That doesn't entail. Seriously. You can't make the jump from "will have some kind of boost" to "will probably have the boosts in the DB" and expect anyone to take that as gospel. You've gone from something which I'm happy to accept as fact to something which is pure conjecture with no real supporting logic that I can see other than "well, there must be some reason for those stats being there".
And yes, they were pushed back because other features are closer to completion. We're not talking "next patch" here, we're talking "next major release", which if my maths are right is Kali. They're saying that a complete rework of combat, drones and NPCs is better developed and more likely to be finished in the next three to six months than four new Battleships which already have assets available. If those stats were near-final, do you really think they'd be putting them on the backburner at this point?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.25 11:14:00 -
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if they do come out, they will probably need Virgin Sacrifice Skill (rank 40) on top of AdvWeapon Upgs5 and BS5 and HAC 4
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.25 11:17:00 -
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oh yeah, and some1 else came up with this, but its perfect nonetheless
we need them to be called: Really Elite Heavy Assault Battleship
REHAB!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.25 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 25/09/2005 11:16:55
gah double post
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.09.25 16:09:00 -
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People have the misconception that we need MABs (Mega Assault BS  ) to be able to counter DNs. Wtf were you smoking? Tell me ONE situation which leads to a 1on1 between this 2 ships!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.25 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bruchpilot
People have the misconception that we need MABs (Mega Assault BS ) to be able to counter DNs. Wtf were you smoking? Tell me ONE situation which leads to a 1on1 between this 2 ships!
fight club on the test server if they put both in
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.09.25 16:58:00 -
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Gimme them superduper BS's! Even if I couldn't afford to buy one in the next year, I'd still like to take a shot at killing one.
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