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Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2011.10.24 00:33:00 -
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congrats for dying 250 deaths in this short amount of time.
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:05:00 -
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You're having fun. Good for you!
You're teaching people a valuable lessen about high sec. Fair enough.
You shoot a ship, concord retaliates by shooting yours. Again, fair enough.
However, and this is the big question, if you shoot somebody's pod, shouldn't concord retaliate by shooting yours? |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
226
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:32:00 -
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Woo Mi wrote:
However, and this is the big question, if you shoot somebody's pod, shouldn't concord retaliate by shooting yours?
Sure if he shoots there pod in his pod then absolutely. Till then the victims should have wrapped there pods in some sort of protective coating. A Ship perhaps.
I here Shuttles are cheap and common.
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Euasked
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.29 03:11:00 -
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Confirming I was inspired by this good poast and have taken up the torch of the random podder. Thrasher prices are becoming a bit of a concern now tho... 
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
18
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Posted - 2011.10.31 07:27:00 -
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Gritz1 wrote:the streets of jita just arent safe anymore... 
Have they ever been? |
Ngoa
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.10.31 17:47:00 -
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i approve of this product and/or service a+++ would use again |
Hulk Smasher
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:12:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Woo Mi wrote:
However, and this is the big question, if you shoot somebody's pod, shouldn't concord retaliate by shooting yours?
Sure if he shoots there pod in his pod then absolutely. Till then the victims should have wrapped there pods in some sort of protective coating. A Ship perhaps. I here Shuttles are cheap and common.
That won't stop us. |
SOLMEN
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:29:00 -
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Pure gold. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1393
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:46:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Woo Mi wrote:
However, and this is the big question, if you shoot somebody's pod, shouldn't concord retaliate by shooting yours?
Sure if he shoots there pod in his pod then absolutely. Till then the victims should have wrapped there pods in some sort of protective coating. A Ship perhaps. I here Shuttles are cheap and common.
oh dear our unimplanted alpha clones |
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 23:26:00 -
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I agree that the occasional podding will keep people alert. A good lesson now and then is very healthy.
However, it seems that if people go on an unlimited suicide ganking spree because they don't care about standing or other penalties (probably because of unlimited funds), this could eventually lead to the conclusion that there is something wrong with the system and changes will be made to restore a semblance of semi-safety in high-sec.
Of course, lots of people say you can avoid this by flying ungankable ships or other shenanigans, but my main point is that there are no noticable repercussions for rich people that go on a systemic long term suicide ganking spree.
Is this desirable from a game design point of view? |
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Hulk Basher
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.11.03 01:51:00 -
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Woo Mi wrote:
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?
Hell yes it is. |
Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.11.03 01:52:00 -
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Hulk Basher wrote:Woo Mi wrote:
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?
Hell yes it is.
I concur with this assessment.
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Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 07:21:00 -
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Hulk Basher wrote:Woo Mi wrote:
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?
Hell yes it is.
Right. I am not arguing for security, Concord is all about consequences, but what you're saying is that for people with enough money there are no relevant consequences in high-sec, and that this is a good thing. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:44:00 -
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Concord already punished the offending ship. Why should they attack the pod now?
All these "reasons" are short, soft "I'm mad :( " cries... |
Cerisia
Lone Star enterprises
274
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:45:00 -
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Woo Mi wrote:Hulk Basher wrote:Woo Mi wrote:
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?
Hell yes it is. Right. I am not arguing for security, Concord is all about consequences, but what you're saying is that for people with enough money there are no relevant consequences in high-sec, and that this is a good thing.
In short yes.
Eve is all about capitalism, with money comes power. In short the only way to 'win' Eve is to have so much money that you can pretty much do whatever you like.
Now for carebears this probably means pimped out faction fit mission running ships and fleets of hulks. For non-carebears this means ganking pimped out faction fitted ships and fleets of hulks.
It's all about how you play the game, what you enjoy and what your goals are. There is no right or wrong in this , it's just about what you do for pleasure in the sandbox.
And just think about this, if the ships weren't ganked then mineral prices would probably drop, ship selling prices would probably drop too and mining would become even more pointless than it is now.
Free Lyris Nairn, goodposter extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar. |
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:52:00 -
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Ok, EVE is about capitalism and more money equals more power, so just watch your back.
The arguments about escalating consequences have apparently already been discussed some time ago:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_ganking_%28CSM%29
without any apparent solution, so I suspect I have just been rehashing earlier arguments
Again, I am not advocating total security in high-sec, and the original poster has had a lot of fun. More power to him.
However, how many copycats would it take to make this really annoying to players? Or would this just be considered a temporary annoyance (like hulkageddon), as the perpetrators will get bored eventually?
It seems to me that the really rich alliances could keep this up in the high-sec trading hubs for months without any noticable costs. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2011.11.03 16:18:00 -
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Woo Mi wrote:Ok, EVE is about capitalism and more money equals more power, so just watch your back. The arguments about escalating consequences have apparently already been discussed some time ago: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_ganking_%28CSM%29without any apparent solution, so I suspect I have just been rehashing earlier arguments Again, I am not advocating total security in high-sec, and the original poster has had a lot of fun. More power to him. However, how many copycats would it take to make this really annoying to players? Or would this just be considered a temporary annoyance (like hulkageddon), as the perpetrators will get bored eventually? It seems to me that the really rich alliances could keep this up in the high-sec trading hubs for months without any noticable costs.
You have to look at it on both sides.
Gank = moar killmails is one side, the one I hope will become more present each and every day, so finally after another wave of leaving players will make them (CCP) understand ganking has it is right now is a very bad game design and far too easy.
The other side shows "some" corporations actively recruiting miners to null sec, they've never been so active than now.
Either ways they're just showing you that you just can't play for your bucks has you wish, either you play has they wish or they'll ruin your game.
Welcome to the sandbox. |
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 18:10:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
Welcome to the sandbox.
Yup, the sandbox isn't very big so by doing things like this big corps/alliances will be able to influence the game.
Now we'll just have to wait for a news item about Concord pilots staying home because they read the memo stating that they're being ineffective |
Hulk Basher
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:55:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:[quote=Woo Mi]
Welcome to the sandbox.
No sandcastles allowed :smug: |
Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial
Talocan United
8
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Posted - 2011.11.06 07:36:00 -
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JackStraw56 wrote:Approve of this service.
I can confirm an exellent service.
Would use again. |
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Hulk Basher
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:58:00 -
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Oh dear, there appears to be a thrasher supply crunch. |
guska Cryotank
No.Mercy
Merciless.
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:01:00 -
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I admire your dedication. I keep thinking that I want to do something like this, but then I realize that I'm lazy and really couldn't be arsed. |
Hulk Smasher
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:52:00 -
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L Salander wrote:This is made all the better by implants being on pod kill mails now
It indeed got more awesome last night. With 13 thrashers I can confirm 2 4+ sets and 2 5+ sets (with mining mind links and other assorted implants). No wonder they never want to talk to me. |
Oylmpia
Oylmpia Holdings Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:23:00 -
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WHY so many people hang out afk in their pods.. is there a reason for this?
Hopefully they lost billions of isk worth of implants.. but I doubt they will learn even then :D |
Hulk Basher
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:07:00 -
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I killed a go floating in a naked pod next door to Jita with 2.5B in implants last Friday. Billions are lost. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
40
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Posted - 2011.12.06 03:51:00 -
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Woo Mi wrote:Hulk Basher wrote:Woo Mi wrote:
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?
Hell yes it is. Right. I am not arguing for security, Concord is all about consequences, but what you're saying is that for people with enough money there are no relevant consequences in high-sec, and that this is a good thing.
What has money got to do with it? It costs no money to fit out a FLEET of pod-killing Thrashers. I've got a dozen baking right now. They should be done by the time I get home from work tonight. 
To the OP, check your losses. I would be interested to know how many free killmails you handed out to those pilots that were quick enough to catch you.
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Hulk Basher
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:23:00 -
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At least 274 so far I think. Fleets have been gathering to tag me now to get that oh so prized 800k suicide thrasher. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
40
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:13:00 -
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Hulk Basher wrote:At least 274 so far I think. Fleets have been gathering to tag me now to get that oh so prized 800k suicide thrasher.
He he. Sounds about right.
It will be hard to find pods anywhere soon. So lap it up while it lasts. |
Kharylien
Masked Rider Project
15
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Posted - 2011.12.06 08:16:00 -
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Woo Mi wrote:Of course, lots of people say you can avoid this by flying ungankable ships or other shenanigans, but my main point is that there are no noticable repercussions for rich people that go on a systemic long term suicide ganking spree.
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?
Sure. It'll help dispose of their excess wealth.
If people want to spend their isk on this kind of thing, they can, basically.
Me, I think it's time to start manufacturing thrashers. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1785
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:27:00 -
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Kharylien wrote:Woo Mi wrote:Of course, lots of people say you can avoid this by flying ungankable ships or other shenanigans, but my main point is that there are no noticable repercussions for rich people that go on a systemic long term suicide ganking spree.
Is this desirable from a game design point of view? Sure. It'll help dispose of their excess wealth. If people want to spend their isk on this kind of thing, they can, basically. Me, I think it's time to start manufacturing thrashers.
god yes make more |
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