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elFarto
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Posted - 2005.09.24 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: elFarto on 24/09/2005 09:43:36
Hey
Clicky
Reloads all weapons, not just ones of the same type as you clicked on.
I <3 CCP
Regards
elFarto
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MrJordanIOI
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Posted - 2005.09.24 09:57:00 -
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COOL !
Though its a bit annoying sometimes that this game is in constant change its cool to see the devs really really listen to us from time to time ;)
IOI
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:02:00 -
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Right, great.
Just need a "Switch All" for Crystals now.
Ie, Switch All -> Submenu with different types of crystals you have, select Radio, all guns switch to Radio.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:05:00 -
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its works great too, except for crystals . its such a small change, but it makes you sooooooo happy! now all we need is a "load all with 'x'".
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Right, great.
Just need a "Switch All" for Crystals now.
Ie, Switch All -> Submenu with different types of crystals you have, select Radio, all guns switch to Radio.
lol, what, lasers dont have enough advantages?
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:11:00 -
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dont hate the laser, hate the game.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
lol, what, lasers dont have enough advantages?
Well, theres that, yes.
But this sortof negates the good old "Lasers dont need to reload" argument. Coz it takes 10 seconds to switch all your crystals on a BS, and with this funky new option, it takes 10 secs to switch all your guns on a hybrid / projectile / missile ship too.
But hey, i'd settle for a damage bonus too ya know!
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Skylar Keenan
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
its works great too, except for crystals. its such a small change, but it makes you sooooooo happy! now all we need is a "load all with 'x'".
What the man said. "Reload with XX" is the way to go.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Jim Raynor
lol, what, lasers dont have enough advantages?
Well, theres that, yes.
But this sortof negates the good old "Lasers dont need to reload" argument. Coz it takes 10 seconds to switch all your crystals on a BS, and with this funky new option, it takes 10 secs to switch all your guns on a hybrid / projectile / missile ship too.
But hey, i'd settle for a damage bonus too ya know!
orly?
where is the "instant swap to whatever range i want" option on projectiles and hybrids sir? (yes i know the gun has to cool down to swap, plz dont mention that k)
where is the "i can carry as many crystals for whatever range is needed" option for projectile and hybrid sir? (yes i know crystals cost lots, but still, it is an advantage, and yes i know lasers have p0opy falloff as well)
still lasers are pretty sexy tbh
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 24/09/2005 10:25:01
Well, you do know that you need to switch crystals immediatly because of the utterly ****e falloff right?
In the current system, once youve finished reloading for a certain range, you're already starting to reload into a longer crystal again because by the time youre done youre at the end of your falloff already.
EDIT:
Also, i hope you realise the damage bonus was sarcasm.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 24/09/2005 10:25:01
Well, you do know that you need to switch crystals immediatly because of the utterly ****e falloff right?
if you read my post carefully u will realize i stated this
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In the current system, once youve finished reloading for a certain range, you're already starting to reload into a longer crystal again because by the time youre done youre at the end of your falloff already.
the situation is not really any better or worse for any other turret user tbh, and like, yanno, ammo takes up lots of space too yanno, unlike crystals (which YES COST LOTS I KNOW)
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Also, i hope you realise the damage bonus was sarcasm.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:33:00 -
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Yes.
So guns are sortof balanced, we agree on that, right?
So why give ammo users a fix to something that is merely an annoyance and not fix it for laser users aswell?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Yes.
So guns are sortof balanced, we agree on that, right?
So why give ammo users a fix to something that is merely an annoyance and not fix it for laser users aswell?
so like, autoreload and stuff is bad too right? i mean, it just an extra option so you dont have to right click 4-8 times, its a hassle. its a hassle laser users dont really experience but i find reloading annoying, and sometimes due to lag you will like, reload 5 of your weapons and only 4 actually reload, it sucks ok?
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:37:00 -
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get a room you two. 
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
so like, autoreload and stuff is bad too right? i mean, it just an extra option so you dont have to right click 4-8 times, its a hassle. its a hassle laser users dont really experience but i find reloading annoying,
Its an annoyance laser users dont have, so why would it be bad? All these new funky options are just there to solve these annoyances, and im all for that. Just fix it for both laser and ammo users.
Originally by: Jim Raynor
and sometimes due to lag you will like, reload 5 of your weapons and only 4 actually reload, it sucks ok?
Same for lasers, except its about half that doesnt load.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
get a room you two.
how about a threesome? 
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:50:00 -
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The balance between weapons shouldn't be because of a user's skill to rapidly click the change crystal key for every turret. I'm all for balance so lasers that do have advantages also have disadvantages. But please, not something that is just annoying to the player.
Read my suggestion on this if you haven't already. I think this solves the problem. And not just for lasers.
The Auctoritan Syndicate
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:54:00 -
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If a laser user wants to change ammo it takes one second to do so correct ?
If a projectile user wants to change ammo it still takes them ten seconds to do so.
How exactly are lasers getting nerfed here ? Its just helping with one of the quality of life issues that people who use ammunition have had to suffer through where lasers have not.
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:55:00 -
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It's not so easy as that for lasers. You do need to wait for the guns to shut off first.
However the auto-stacking of crystals being removed would (will) go a looong ways towards solving laser annoyances.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Derron Bel
It's not so easy as that for lasers. You do need to wait for the guns to shut off first.
However the auto-stacking of crystals being removed would (will) go a looong ways towards solving laser annoyances.
Projectiles still need to shut off also, and last I checked artillery for instance has a firing time aproximately three times that of a beam laser ? 
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Coz it takes 10 seconds to switch all your crystals on a BS
I played in WC3, on PRO level. Having APM about 250 (Actions per minute). So - switching all lenses - is a question of 2 - 3 secs for me
P.S. I dont fly an apoc :)
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:00:00 -
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Well i can switch em faster probably. Problem is half of them 'fail' and just unload the old crystal but dont load a new one if you do it too fast.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
If a laser user wants to change ammo it takes one second to do so correct ?
It varies a bit from gun to gun but in general, yea about a sec. The problem with crystal switching is, that you have to do it for each turret. And even if you're a fast clicker, you have to wait until the first turret is almost done switching before you switch the second.
Given the small falloff on lasers you have to switch pretty often. And because of this, half the fight you are busy switching crystals around, which is annoying.
But hey, switching crystals/ammo on all turrets with 1 click is something that projectile/hybrid users would benefit as well from, wouldn't they?
The Auctoritan Syndicate
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
If a laser user wants to change ammo it takes one second to do so correct ?
It varies a bit from gun to gun but in general, yea about a sec. The problem with crystal switching is, that you have to do it for each turret. And even if you're a fast clicker, you have to wait until the first turret is almost done switching before you switch the second.
Given the small falloff on lasers you have to switch pretty often. And because of this, half the fight you are busy switching crystals around, which is annoying.
But hey, switching crystals/ammo on all turrets with 1 click is something that projectile/hybrid users would benefit as well from, wouldn't they?
Feel free to request it as a feature, just please do not argue against "reload all" which is there to help with one quality of life problem you haven't had to deal with on the grounds that you want something yourself for a different one .. it risks comes across as petty and spitefull
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Pistonbroke
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:10:00 -
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great news.
Nice work Devs =)
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
Feel free to request it as a feature, just please do not argue against "reload all" which is there to help with one quality of life problem you haven't had to deal with on the grounds that you want something yourself for a different one .. it risks comes across as petty and spitefull
I'm not against "reload all" at all, the opposite rather. I'm glad they are fixing annoyances that we have to deal with. While this "reload all" option doesn't help laser users it gives hope that they will take this a step further and introduce a "switch all".
The Auctoritan Syndicate
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Shadow Vice
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:33:00 -
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umm reload all and chage crystal to X are two different things the equliviant would be:
change crystal to X = change all guns ammo to X
atm lasers dont have to reload so there is no point in lasers moaning about the reload all option
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Agnar Koladrov
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:40:00 -
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Wow, just checked it and I love it the feature! Now if they only added an AFK feature somewhere......
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:45:00 -
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Zyrla: Was only trying to point out that 'instant switching' is a big exaggeration, especially if there's any lag involved. ;)
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fisho
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:47:00 -
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As i think might have been stated, this doesn't allow all guns to swap to a different ammo, just reload what they already have. So This does not put lasers at a disadvantage at all, because you never have to reload anyway.
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.09.24 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Vice
umm reload all and chage crystal to X are two different things the equliviant would be:
change crystal to X = change all guns ammo to X
atm lasers dont have to reload so there is no point in lasers moaning about the reload all option
I dont think they are
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.09.24 12:57:00 -
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I like my weapon grouping idea better. This whould also allow a reload all, but also allow to reload with different ammo, and fire several weapons at the same time.
Here is the idea: Weapon Grouping
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cheru
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: elFarto
... Reloads all weapons, not just ones of the same type as you clicked on.
CCP you rock!! :)
Now just give me a shortcut for that and i¦m a happy pod.
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elFarto
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: cheru
Now just give me a shortcut for that and i¦m a happy pod.
Control + R does excatly this
Plus you can change it
Regards
elFarto
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: elFarto
Originally by: cheru
Now just give me a shortcut for that and i¦m a happy pod.
Control + R does excatly this
Plus you can change it
Ok, this just means i have to give more love to the devs.
<3 <3 <3
Now go make the plate changes more reasonable.  *runs away*
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Ahhh yes the ECM Apoc, very deadly.
Oh wait... wtf...
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.24 15:58:00 -
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*cries of joy*
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.09.24 17:42:00 -
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Ok CCP folks you are doing well! Just take this a little farther and it will be perfect! The bear minimum that we need is;
CTRL + R = Reloads all weapons with current loaded ammo
CTRL + T = Reload all to Thorium (Gamma, Emp, definable)
CTRL + U = Reload all to Radio (Iron, etc, definable)
To me this is a quality control issue, why make something just "ok" when you can truly provide functionality with a minimum more work and effort?
If you wanted us all to turn cartwheels and gush sickly sweet love poems at you then please institute Forsch's really good reloading idea so that those who don't mount all the same weapons get some love too.
Thanks for working on this! User definable hotkeys>>>>>>>than clicking on the screen.
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Zeb Carter
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Posted - 2005.09.24 19:20:00 -
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Sweet. Between this and the Stealth Bomber changes I'm really looking forward to the next patch.
Good communication CCP!
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.09.24 23:31:00 -
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dunno if this has been brought up before, but what about the very large amount of capacitor needed to fire a laser turret.
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Elaron
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Posted - 2005.09.26 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
dunno if this has been brought up before, but what about the very large amount of capacitor needed to fire a laser turret.
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Lacedaemon
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Posted - 2005.09.30 11:49:00 -
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Okay is it just me, I have reread this thread about four times, I know I'm sad, but how do you get this function turned on, even pushing Ctrl + R, does not work. Any ideas????
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lacedaemon
Okay is it just me, I have reread this thread about four times, I know I'm sad, but how do you get this function turned on, even pushing Ctrl + R, does not work. Any ideas????
Are you trying it on SISI or in TQ ?? 
Reading the topic , not just the posts can help sometime 
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
If a laser user wants to change ammo it takes one second to do so correct ?
It varies a bit from gun to gun but in general, yea about a sec. The problem with crystal switching is, that you have to do it for each turret. And even if you're a fast clicker, you have to wait until the first turret is almost done switching before you switch the second.
Given the small falloff on lasers you have to switch pretty often. And because of this, half the fight you are busy switching crystals around, which is annoying.
But hey, switching crystals/ammo on all turrets with 1 click is something that projectile/hybrid users would benefit as well from, wouldn't they?
Well, when I change my ammo on tempest I have a good chance that after about 20 seconds the ammo slot is just empty, cause the ammo I wanted to use is in some other turret now
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2005.09.30 14:13:00 -
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Uhh...
Ever tried changing crystals in even the tiniest amount of lag?
Ive seen it take 10 seconds more than often...
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