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Ibobah'k Chisaraj
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Posted - 2005.09.24 20:39:00 -
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would add some flavour to me soup
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namer5
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Posted - 2005.09.24 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: namer5 on 24/09/2005 20:43:48
Yeah I always wondered about that binary system thing. According to the "scientific" articles written about jump gates they can only exist in binary systems, yet all the system in eve has only one star... 
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:10:00 -
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There's a good reason for this. The star systems you can visit in eve aren't ALL of the star systems in the area, just the ones they built stargates at. Given that there are no binary systems and such, it's clear that stargate technology is such at the moment that they can only build them at a system with one star, possibly due to a binary star system having changes in gravity affecting an area during the rotation period. Single-star orbits offer nice, consistent, predictable gravity patterns. Without knowing how stargates work, I can only speculate that this is a requirement for the stargates to work at the moment.
Perhaps more advanced stargate technology will be created, allowing some new binary systems and such to be introduced?
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Solar Sailor
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:12:00 -
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All Eve systems are Binary, with the second star being a brown Dwarf located outside of the planetary orbits (Space is big, Just 'cause its not right next to the star doesn't mean it has no gravitational effect).
There are not systems (yet) with 2 stars, both active and at the centre of the system.
(the info is in one or four of the stories/ Scientific/ chronicles, I can't be bothered looking for them  )
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:17:00 -
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Ill also add that syatems with 2 or more stars generally dont have plants asteroids etc because orbits are not formed.
Think of it this way earth orbits the sun as does everthing wlse in real life now you can see why thi is so due to there being one centre of gravity. But in say [for conveniences sake] a binery system first there is the biggest sun its in the centre in most cases but there is a second star that orbits the larg one now add plannetry bodies orbitong 2 moving stars.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:28:00 -
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Hrm... not very believable... as most of the systems in the milky way (that we have observed) have 2 (or more, look at alpha centauri, 3 stars) active stars orbiting each other...
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:30:00 -
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 Originally by: keepiru
Hrm... not very believable... as most of the systems in the milky way (that we have observed) have 2 (or more, look at alpha centauri, 3 stars) active stars orbiting each other...
Yep not very belivable that there are so many single star systems in eve but it makes the game work afterall 
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Slater Dogstar
Originally by: keepiru
Hrm... not very believable... as most of the systems in the milky way (that we have observed) have 2 (or more, look at alpha centauri, 3 stars) active stars orbiting each other...
Yep not very belivable that there are so many single star systems in eve but it makes the game work afterall
Oh im not arguing that, but a some more cosmological curiosities would be nice, it *IS* a space game after all.
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Smiffa
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:37:00 -
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"There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction."
From World of EVE: Scientific Articles - Interstellar Traveling (page3).
But it would be nice to see the second star tho... even if most systems have the 2nd sun in the pair too far away to appear as a star, some must have em close enough to display em.
Then again, I bet it's down to physical display resources. With some gfx cards barfing at occluding a single sun, imagine two when they're both in front of you...
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Mesiah Scuro
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Posted - 2005.09.24 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mesiah Scuro on 24/09/2005 21:45:43
Binary stars are relative. This isn't Star Wars, where physics take a flying leap out the nearest window. Stars are big. Jupiter is 40 times the size of Earth (or can fit 40 Earth's within it anyway). The Sun is greater than Jupiter's size to the order of millions.
Two suns within, say, the distance that Pluto is to our Sun, would rip one another apart. All that EVE should REALLY have is a much, much larger star as part of the skybox to represent the second star, which it doesn't have AKAIK.
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Ibobah'k Chisaraj
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Posted - 2005.09.25 02:55:00 -
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Mhm...
Oh yes!
Would be interesting to know why the star object creates performance issues.
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zzzra
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Posted - 2005.09.25 03:09:00 -
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What makes it worse is that considering the nearby star systems we can observe in our own galaxy, single star systems are by far in the minority. Our own solar system is not typical. Were jupiter to have a bit more mass, we would have a second, very dim star.
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Kayla Feyth
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Posted - 2005.09.25 03:17:00 -
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On a side note, binary star systems with a planet orbiting the two star would be a figure 8 and the planets would not be inhabitable at all because they would orbit way to close to the suns. So by tatooine or was it tatoooine?
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.09.25 04:23:00 -
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As people said the stargates in EVE can only be built in binary systems, don't ask me why we never see more than one star though 
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Mesiah Scuro
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Posted - 2005.09.25 06:12:00 -
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An interesting aside, I wonder how many races exist in EVE that have yet to join with the current empires because they don't live in binary star systems? There could be empires a relative stones throw away from our current ones, but are unable to join with them.
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Sumica
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Posted - 2005.09.25 09:37:00 -
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Funny I always though that the wormhole could only be opend at a Langrange point. As in the point between to gravity wells.
Your not stupid just misinformed Ö
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.09.25 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mesiah Scuro
An interesting aside, I wonder how many races exist in EVE that have yet to join with the current empires because they don't live in binary star systems? There could be empires a relative stones throw away from our current ones, but are unable to join with them.
"None" would be a safe bet. Since the Amarr spent all those thousands of years quite happily using sublight technology to go find other races and enslave them even before jumpgates were invented, I think it's safe to say they'd have enslaved all the single-star races as well 
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Zac Paris
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Posted - 2005.09.25 11:30:00 -
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I remember Elite 2 was full of multiple star systems.
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FindersKeepers
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Posted - 2005.09.25 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mesiah Scuro
Edited by: Mesiah Scuro on 24/09/2005 21:45:43
Binary stars are relative. This isn't Star Wars, where physics take a flying leap out the nearest window. Stars are big. Jupiter is 40 times the size of Earth (or can fit 40 Earth's within it anyway). The Sun is greater than Jupiter's size to the order of millions.
Two suns within, say, the distance that Pluto is to our Sun, would rip one another apart. All that EVE should REALLY have is a much, much larger star as part of the skybox to represent the second star, which it doesn't have AKAIK.
That is 100% wrong. The science behind binary stars is a hell of a lot more complex than just, "they too big - would hit each other". In fact, it is impossible for a planet to orbit as close as some of the binary stars orbit. Look up some of the perfect eclipsing binary systems; they orbit closer to each other than planet could possibly orbit a sun, almost on top of each other. It is impossible for a planet to orbit 'between' binary stars in a figure-8 orbit. The planets orbit around both of the stars.
note: Jupiter is a hell of a lot bigger than 40x the earth. The volume of Jupiter is over 1000x that of earth, and over 300x as massive (if I remember correctly).
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Rana Ash
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Posted - 2005.09.25 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: zzzra
What makes it worse is that considering the nearby star systems we can observe in our own galaxy, single star systems are by far in the minority. Our own solar system is not typical. Were jupiter to have a bit more mass, we would have a second, very dim star.
Ah yes 2001: A Space Odyssey 
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.09.25 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rana Ash
Originally by: zzzra
What makes it worse is that considering the nearby star systems we can observe in our own galaxy, single star systems are by far in the minority. Our own solar system is not typical. Were jupiter to have a bit more mass, we would have a second, very dim star.
Ah yes 2001: A Space Odyssey
This is bullcrap. Jupiter would need to be like 40 times as massive or something ridiculous like that. A star's minimum mass is .04 solar masses roughly, whereas Jupiter in solar masses is .001.
So yes, take all the mass in the solar system outside of the Sun and we...still wouldn't even have a brown dwarf. Much less a second sun, as jupiter's .001 solar masses makes up 70% or so of the solar system's mass outside of the sun :P
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: zzzra
What makes it worse is that considering the nearby star systems we can observe in our own galaxy, single star systems are by far in the minority. Our own solar system is not typical. Were jupiter to have a bit more mass, we would have a second, very dim star.
heh way no not your your astonomy...
"Jupiter is just about as large in diameter as a gas planet can be. If more material were to be added, it would be compressed by gravity such that the overall radius would increase only slightly. A star can be larger only because of its internal (nuclear) heat source. (But Jupiter would have to be at least 80 times more massive to become a star.)"
http://www.nineplanets.org/jupiter.html
so yes, yes you were way off.
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mesiah Scuro
Edited by: Mesiah Scuro on 24/09/2005 21:45:43
Binary stars are relative. This isn't Star Wars, where physics take a flying leap out the nearest window. Stars are big. Jupiter is 40 times the size of Earth (or can fit 40 Earth's within it anyway). The Sun is greater than Jupiter's size to the order of millions.
Two suns within, say, the distance that Pluto is to our Sun, would rip one another apart. All that EVE should REALLY have is a much, much larger star as part of the skybox to represent the second star, which it doesn't have AKAIK.
you too need to go back to school! >_<
"Jupiter is 318 times that of Earth"
http://www.nineplanets.org/jupiter.html
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:08:00 -
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and actually Mal the Solar system's mass outside the sun is about .2% which is mostly taken by jupiter.
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:39:00 -
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i actually found a bug a year or so when for like a minute i had 2 suns appearing...dont remember which system...was in heimater tho.... Just after shiva (exodus the noobs are calling it? :P)
piccies as soon as i get it hosted
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:44:00 -
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Done http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=twosunsjpg4wy.jpg
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mesiah Scuro
An interesting aside, I wonder how many races exist in EVE that have yet to join with the current empires because they don't live in binary star systems? There could be empires a relative stones throw away from our current ones, but are unable to join with them.
I still ponder why there is absolutley ZERO signs of other, non-human-based life in EVE. I highly doubt everyone in CCP is thick enough to think we really ARE alone out there... 
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.09.30 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Irashi on 30/09/2005 06:22:29
Edited by: Irashi on 30/09/2005 06:17:29
Originally by: Mesiah Scuro
I highly doubt everyone in CCP is thick enough to think we really ARE alone out there...
The universe is big, like really really really big, bigger than any adjective can ever describe, even a galaxy is bigger than you might think. 5000 star systems is nothing, if you magine an olympic sized swimming pool full of salt then each grain would represent a star in a galaxy, so there's a lot. Then there's countless galaxies in the universe each full of around that many stars... So the aliens are probably just elsewhere wondering why their devs think their species is the only one to have done the whole intellegence and civilization thing
If there were to be an alien race introduced to eve it'd change the game completely. Humans naturally don't get along with other humans because they're slightly different, and different things are scary. The division between humans and aliens would just be too vast to overcome, so there would probably have to be a faction system like in WoW, in that you have the two main factions, humans and elves etc on once side, then the orcs and other ugly things on the other. From what I've gathered players from different factions cannot be allied, they're always enemies because of the differences in their chosen races.
Do you want eve to be like that?
Edit: y'know I just realised the thread wasn't about aliens... I need to go to bed -.-
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