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Sha Kharn
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Posted - 2005.09.25 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sha Kharn on 25/09/2005 14:09:43
This complex can be found 16P-PX (Esoteria) and has been run many times by both Oberon Incorporated [OI] and Sha Kharn Corp [Sha-K] on the live server version 2.083582.
After much discussion between our two corps we cant help but think that mabe something could be wrong or there is simply somthing we just dont know about the complex ie. its broken, not ment to be completable atm, or requiers a dread etc.
What our two corps are after are some basic answers to just a few quetions. So let me start.
- Has the complex been tested within the last few months and been classed as working and balanced ?
- Does this complex have a chance to drop Faction loot or BPC,s from overseers on each level? (as yet level 1,2,3,4 have never dropped anything apart from overseers effects and keys). <-- Both corps found this.
- Is this complex's Faction loot table balanced/working in relation to lower complexs (8/10) which regulary drop faction BPC's and loot on the first few Levels?
- Should the warp in point to the final stage Drop you within 30Km of all NPC's including Station Ultima and result in being instantly agressed by every npc? (This results in warp in and your in your pod instantly. There would no time to even get a lock on the agressed Battleship to start remote armor repairing).
- Is Station Ultima doing correct damage with torps and guns and are ship resistances working correctly against its damage?
- Can Dreads be taken into the Complex? (If so im not sure [OI] [Sha-K] would try the last lvl because it seems ultima would kill our dreads in a matter of seconds)
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- Should we continue to throw more of our online time and isk at this last level or should we hold off and await a Dev response
Well if you got this far thanks for reading this and if you happen to be a Dev you could make alot of peeps really happy by giving us just a few quick answers. Even "Dont know" to every one of the questions would be great and really apreciated by the 20-35 corp members from both Corps who trained Leadership Level 5 up just so they could do this complex.
At the end of the day we just want to know if its working fine or if there are infact problems with this complex. I understand that really only Stain members have got a shot at this complex and that this only effects a small chunk of the eve population mabe 5% could ever dream of doing it so I know its not likley to be looked into soon but a response of any kind from a dev etc would be awesome.
Please try and keep this thread on track guys and girls and if you have experience with this 10/10 or any other 10/10 complexs your posts will be most wellcome.
CEO Sha Kharn [Sha-K]
And no i dont have a spell checker installed yet
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Cpt Abestos
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Posted - 2005.09.25 14:25:00 -
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I am training leadership 5 so I hope this gets looked into because it sucks if you can only do 5/6 of the plex. :(
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.09.25 18:55:00 -
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During a previous thread regarding Station Ultima it was stated that it was tested and run successfully by a dev-team while on a test-server. It's possible the difficulty changed since then.
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Sha Kharn
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Posted - 2005.09.25 19:46:00 -
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Derron Bel thanks for your reply i also have read the post you refered to and it was exactly that post that inspired my corp to take up the challange of the 10/10 complexs .
Its one thing running a complex of that level on a test server and a totaly diff situation running it live with real isk and time too loose not knowing if recent patch fixs, npc changes etc etc have rendered a complex unworkable. TBH im wondoring if anyone has ever completed this plex live. Has anyone If so would be great to hear from you but tbh i cant see anyone stepping up and telling me they could do it now.
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Poll
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Posted - 2005.09.25 20:43:00 -
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Fifi is already there. Poll has that as a priority.
A logistics/support ship makes sense that ideally is a repair and resupply as well as command augmentation ship.
Possibly also a dedicated gang link support ship also makes sense.
Frankly, I think that the complex needs to be reexamined by CCP. Outside of overseer's effects, I don't recall seeing a single faction item or mod through the levels we did successfully complete.
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SageOfMystery
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Posted - 2005.09.25 20:57:00 -
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/signed
I also didnt get any good loot from this complex dispite its difficulty, At the momnet Iv found better loot in belts in the cruisers and frigs that spawn.
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Gonryu
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Posted - 2005.09.26 05:20:00 -
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I am currently training leasership lvl5 (finish in 2 days) with a view to doing this complex.
Please can we get an answer to the questions posed above.
All help is muchly appreciated :)
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Skellibjalla
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Posted - 2005.09.26 10:48:00 -
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Hi Sha & everyone...
I've read this post and it's been noted in the queue. This is supposed to be a VERY hard complex, but by no means impossible. But VERY hard and requiring a special strategy.
My word, we'll look at this. Thank you for the report. From the description I've got an idea what might possibly have happened during a seperate fix, but it'll take some testing/time looking into (as we ...prioritize... fixes /gasp  ) 
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Sha Kharn
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Posted - 2005.09.26 15:01:00 -
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Sorry most of sha-K corp in bed with huge hangover man we had a big party when whe got your reply. Have a Huge hug from our corp (sorry bout the smell will go take a shower in a min) Yep Hard aint the word and we have been loving it. We got stratigys for the frst 4 lvls nailed. And already on sneaky plans for ultima if its found this isnt bugged. Well we will keep at it and thanks again Skellibjalla ya made alot of peeps happy. We will all keep our eyes on this post to check out your findings and we understand it may take some time we know you guys rushed off ya feet. Keep up the great work.
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m4ullin
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Posted - 2005.09.26 15:15:00 -
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Many thanks Skellibjalla you make the enjoyment of the game even better keep up the good work
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iceyreloaded
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Posted - 2005.09.26 15:19:00 -
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We all love you Skellibjalla
Feel the love.
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BOBHOPE
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Posted - 2005.09.26 15:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Skellibjalla
My word, we'll look at this. Thank you for the report. From the description I've got an idea what might possibly have happened during a seperate fix, but it'll take some testing/time looking into (as we ...prioritize... fixes /gasp )
yay!
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2005.09.26 15:39:00 -
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Thank you Skell. We appreciate the concern being taken seriously 
Razor
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Dash Riprock
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Posted - 2005.09.26 17:32:00 -
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I want to thankyou in advance for fixing the possible problems found with this complex.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.26 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Skellibjalla
But VERY hard and requiring a special strategy.
warp 5-6 shuttles in first, then have the BSs follow.
the shuttles will draw enough fire for ur BSs to get into the lvl and start shooting stuff, and repping each other
the NPCs might even split their fire after the shuttles, allowing the tanking load to be split up.
as an added bonus, i think ultima has an incredibly low ROF - u might be able to avoid any hits from it for a while once its blasted the shuttles
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Comanche II
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Posted - 2005.09.26 18:39:00 -
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Perhaps try taking a Caracal or two with full loadouts of assaults with defenders. Hmm..
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Baugoti
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Posted - 2005.09.26 19:12:00 -
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woot thx Skellibjalla u rock heh.. if it wasnt for u sha woulndt have thrown that party!
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Vargess
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Posted - 2005.09.26 19:13:00 -
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Woohoo I can run this thing in 3 days
Maybe we'll just get enough pilots together and just overrun the last area 
"Everyone has their own piece of space.. An this spot here is mine." |
Poll
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Posted - 2005.09.26 21:25:00 -
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Thanks for your attention. These complexes should Rock!
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Harrat
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Posted - 2005.09.27 03:07:00 -
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mmm Yay, the devs really do love us!
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Cordunius
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Posted - 2005.09.27 04:36:00 -
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yo,
about the 10/10 complex.. the one in PS is doable and been done multiple times..
the loot problem i dont have a clue about.. *i personaly think that is bugged..*
talk to deckert about possible tactics.
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gunnery
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:52:00 -
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damn, miss another party  
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Reshlak Agarias
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Posted - 2005.09.27 19:08:00 -
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praise be to the devs :D
i really hope you can either fix it or tell us its just really f$&%in hard hehe
also, i missed the party, thanks alot sha......
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Deathsoul
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Comanche II
Perhaps try taking a Caracal or two with full loadouts of assaults with defenders. Hmm..
With 1 hit from the ultima (Gun) that did 14k dmg to heawy tank then im not sure your caracal would stand long time, maby for the defenders you would get time to lock something :)
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.09.29 10:27:00 -
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It seems hard to believe that a Sanshas complex would be harder than an Angel one, which my corp does pretty much daily (the 10/10 in XXXXXX).
Originally by: Idio T
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Rufus Roughneck
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Posted - 2005.09.29 13:27:00 -
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Have you tried sending in an assault frig tanekd for the right damage first ?
A Jaguar does quite well against heavy hitting overseer EM torps and stuff like that. It can tank like a maniac and wont get hit by the BS's and can outrun most frigates in deadspace quite well.
It's used in most complexes now to draw all agression away from damage dealers.
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2005.10.02 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Skellibjalla
Hi Sha & everyone...
I've read this post and it's been noted in the queue. This is supposed to be a VERY hard complex, but by no means impossible. But VERY hard and requiring a special strategy.
My word, we'll look at this. Thank you for the report. From the description I've got an idea what might possibly have happened during a seperate fix, but it'll take some testing/time looking into (as we ...prioritize... fixes /gasp )
By "fixes" you mean "feature improvements" or a TomB version "Nerfbat Enlargement Surgery".
Originally by: ParMizaN
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Sha Kharn
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Posted - 2005.10.22 10:41:00 -
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Just opening this thread up again as i noticed Skellibjalla made a post about the 10/10 . To be honest i dont know if this means that it is working and we just need to find the right way or if the work planned for it means to stay clear? I have come to the conclusion from reading the above link i posted that we will never see a bpc drop from any of the overseers tho. (untill fix's i hope).
Skellibjalla if you could let us know your findings that would be great no matter how brief they may be.
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Riddlock
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Posted - 2005.10.26 06:00:00 -
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After reading those posts about the 10/10 sansha complex me and my friends tried to go look and find out what is happening there ;) . Im sure is a bugged complex and for the devs that think is working as expected i can point you out a few things who are "strange" :
1. Stage 1 station hit my hac with thor torpedo ( 1200 base dmg or 1800 cant remember exactly ) for 89 dmg , i have 92.5 em resistance so ok .
Stage 5 station aka Ultima station hit my HAC for 1760 dmg with the same resistances.
I undestand that must be some dmg modif on the last station but still , 1760 dmg hit in a 92.5 res hac , I WONDER HOW MUCH DMG WILL A BS WITH LETS SAY 80 Em RESISTANCE HAVE TO TAKE ?
Bug: I dont think the station ultima cares about sig radius and the missile patch is not yet implemented on ultima station
2. When you warp in the last station , you get 23-26 km away from it . Let alone the fact that every single npc aggro's you instantly , the ultima station managed to hit my em / therm tanked hac for 9670 dmg , beeing insta pop . I undestand that station ultima may do another type of damage , but still ... At least we shall be able to lock or do ANYTHING , instead of watching .. warp drive active , kaboom .
3. The balance between the sansha 10/10 complex and the rest of the 10/10 complex ie angel / guristas / serpentis .. wich is NONE .
4. The loot table seems bugged , cmon there are like 30 bs and lots of small ships for the first 4 stages , never ever saw a decend module droped , the station oversears / cargo drop some named modules but is far how a 10/10 complex must be . You cant expect 3-5 people to gather togheter and waste 1-3 hours for looting 1mn mwd and basic cap recharger from every single can . The bounty is not great at all considering the fact that you CANT solo the 10/10 complex
I petitioned alot and received alot of answers from the gm's , who seems confidend that 10/10 sansha is working as expected . If is expected by them to be a ship sink and a complete waste of time and a unbalanced npc ( station ultima ) then yes , is working as is expected , other wise is a bugged complex .
sorry english is not my first laungage so bare with me .
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papaPadla
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Posted - 2005.10.26 07:32:00 -
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Just to make one thing clear... that 1760 hit on a 92,5 em resist hac was from a THOR torpeedo... that is a EM warhead with 1800 base damage.
Considering 92,5 resist on em... a hac with a lower sig radius... a base damage for that torp of anything between 25k to 35 k em
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