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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.04.26 12:32:00 -
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We were told to talk about it here, so here's a post.
We would like an up to date browser please. The IGB integration, while not a vital thing, is /really/ */really/* useful. Some sites depend on the information that it feeds back for their function.
As an aside, it'd be nice to be able to load up links in the system's default browser, from inside eve. Perhaps as a right click. So you can right click a url and use the system default for that protocol. Maybe having a list of protocols which can be matched.
Such as irc links, teamspeak links and so on. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
roigon
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.04.26 12:43:00 -
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I'd support having regular updates to the IGB. Not too keen on adding Yet-Another-Left-Click-Option.
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Karbowiak
4M-CORP Red Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.04.26 12:55:00 -
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I'd settle for them removing it, and replacing the link clicking with an event that fires up an external browser.
Or, just them keeping the IGB, but adding an option to launch links in an external browser |
Chaotic Mind
Rennfeuer Curatores Veritatis Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:01:00 -
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- somehow make it way more secure, pretty easy to fake the headers - more drag'n'drop possibilities |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
109
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:08:00 -
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I've made this suggestion before, and I'll post it again. Leave the "new" browser as it is. It serves it's purpose well, but it's not enough for certain moments, and not gonna work as good, as the real IGB works. Give us additional tool - browser feeds. Replace the unusable "Map browser" with a sidebar, that may house a number of resizable panels, each hosting a small IGB attached to a web feed. Then you can finally get something good of this panel. Scouting reports, custom solarsystem maps, webchat - whatever the minds of EVE players may visualize and put together. And all with live feeds, without risk of accidental closing. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
109
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:10:00 -
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Chaotic Mind wrote:- somehow make it way more secure, pretty easy to fake the headers IGB trust is not for you to trust it, it's for your clients to trust you with their data. |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
182
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:14:00 -
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The IGB needs an update from Chrome 3 to something more modern.
It could also do with being able to open multiple windows, and a compact mode that hides the browser controls so whatever web app you have in it has access to all the window space, so you can dock useful things in various places like minimaps or fleet tools.
And the javascript API could do with some love, it's a bit patchy in function coverage.
Opening in external browser could be handy, although that's got to be handled with care with the obvious dangers in spawning external processes; so long as it's done right, yes that'd be nice. -- |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
182
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:20:00 -
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Tonto Auri wrote:I've made this suggestion before, and I'll post it again. Give us additional tool - browser feeds. Replace the unusable "Map browser" with a sidebar, that may house a number of resizable panels, each hosting a small IGB attached to a web feed. Then you can finally get something good of this panel. Scouting reports, custom solarsystem maps, webchat - whatever the minds of EVE players may visualize and put together. And all with live feeds, without risk of accidental closing.
That's a decent idea. -- |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1329
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:47:00 -
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Chaotic Mind wrote:- somehow make it way more secure, pretty easy to fake the headers - more drag'n'drop possibilities
If you need trustworthy data, that's where CREST becomes useful, when it gets released. They'll auth against the SSO server, and then hand you a token, which you can look up in crest to get more information. (if it's just auth, you'll get the character id. And that is trustworthy data.) Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
182
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Posted - 2013.04.26 16:35:00 -
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The old IGB could be told to refresh page on session changes so that it could send your updated location to the web app you were using; this got lost in the upgrade to chromium/awesomium.
A better way to get that functionality back would be to have hooks in the CCPEVE javascript integration object, so that you can register your own functions to be called on (at least) session change. This would mean things like minimaps would be up to date with your location, and avoid them having to spam regular refreshes or redundant AJAX requests.
This principle could go further for other events, e.g. hooks to feed in market data as you look at it - this could be a supported way to get market data for EMDR in light of the cache-scraping controversy.
Or a callback when you board a ship, including its current fitting, to feed into fleet management apps. Various possibilities here. -- |
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
118
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:48:00 -
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Ydnari wrote:The old IGB could be told to refresh page on session changes so that it could send your updated location to the web app you were using; this got lost in the upgrade to chromium/awesomium.
A better way to get that functionality back would be to have hooks in the CCPEVE javascript integration object, so that you can register your own functions to be called on (at least) session change. This would mean things like minimaps would be up to date with your location, and avoid them having to spam regular refreshes or redundant AJAX requests.
This principle could go further for other events, e.g. hooks to feed in market data as you look at it - this could be a supported way to get market data for EMDR in light of the cache-scraping controversy.
Or a callback when you board a ship, including its current fitting, to feed into fleet management apps. Various possibilities here. Refer back to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2932834#post2932834 That is what I was specifically referring to. MANY features of the old IGB wre left out, that I would like to come back. and the most direct way I see them to come back is through real IGB, not that awesome pampers. |
Dino Boff
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
27
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Posted - 2013.04.27 12:01:00 -
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The IGB is a great tools and CCP needs to maintain it and give us better tools to develop website for it (like the webkit developer tools or a standalone version with webkit developer tools - having to run the client, be online and use the cryptic log to debug a page is a pain).
However, if it's too difficult to keep the IGB up to date they may as well give us something else to interact with the client. |
Niraia
Nocturnal Romance
147
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Posted - 2013.04.27 13:56:00 -
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Ydnari wrote:The IGB needs an update from Chrome 3 to something more modern.
This! Why hasn't it been updated in so long, anyway? It seems like Awesomium is still being maintained.
Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em |
iskflakes
412
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Posted - 2013.04.27 14:03:00 -
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Remove it. It's not relevant anymore. Replace the IGB header functionality with single signon via external browsers. - |
Niraia
Nocturnal Romance
147
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Posted - 2013.04.27 14:53:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Remove it. It's not relevant anymore. Replace the IGB header functionality with single signon via external browsers.
Those headers aren't the only reason that people use the IGB, and by that logic, you should remove your nipples :p Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em |
Karbowiak
4M-CORP Red Alliance
115
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:34:00 -
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Niraia wrote:iskflakes wrote:Remove it. It's not relevant anymore. Replace the IGB header functionality with single signon via external browsers. Those headers aren't the only reason that people use the IGB, and by that logic, you should remove your nipples :p
Just to go off topic here, but, you do know that nipples on men aren't useless, right?
Men _CAN_ lactate.. true story..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-males-can-lactate
So yeah, you gotta find something else he should remove |
Shellac Brookdale
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:39:00 -
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The IGB is crucial for various tools from my alliance. IGB headers allow to create really cool tools for filling gaps in the EVE UI (autopilot with jump bridges anyone?). The current browser version might be outdated but its working, so why remove it
Whats also really good about the IGB is that its a striped down browser version without flash, java or downloads. It makes it somewhat more secure instead of relying on the security settings of the external browser.
Maybe CCP can team up with this guys (who plan to take the IGB idea even further):: http://camelotunchained.com/en/making-a-game-out-of-the-web/
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Dino Boff
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
27
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:39:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Remove it. It's not relevant anymore. Replace the IGB header functionality with single signon via external browsers.
Once we have CREST, the headers won't be as useful. However, IGB browser headers are a lightweight source of info (if insecure) and external browser can't interact with client.
You will be able to emulate some operation using CREST but some will probably never be accessible to CREST (anything related to the wallet or the market).
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Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
84
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:40:00 -
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I'd like to do a rundown of the integrated functionalities and attempt a separation of concerns. As it is currently, the IGB provides several functions, and none of them well.
* Status attributes, provided by headers. Unsafe and increasingly difficult to support (underscores in their names?) * Request client actions, provided by JavaScript methods *). One-way (Fire-and-forget), dependent on trust, brittle in setup. * Provide a canvas for relevant (client "extending") functionality. With an old, limited browser engine with laggy integration.
*) I include "showinfo:" links in that one - should these work, haven't checked in ages.
Please add to this list when further uses don't fall into these categories, I surely don't know all your applications.
Now, for the first two, CREST is (or can be) the answer, removing all of the negatives and more (e.g. get an event when ship is changed - instead of another request). CREST could also provide a resource to represent the EVE client to show windows (e.g. "show new mail window"). Yes, this adds more hops to such requests (assuming you run the CREST endpoint on your server) - but I don't see any major problem with that. With the proper libraries in place, this would be only a handfull of more lines of code.
As for the generic canvas functionality: I kind of like that idea of replacing the map sidebar - but then again, what's the overall benefit? When I want to lose screen estate, why from within the client? Why not set up an actual browser window how the user sees fit?
I see this IGB like it was done with the jukebox: There are better, other applications for this function, why try to maintain it? In this regard I'm for marking the IGB as obsolete as soon as CREST provides what the IGB handles now and remove it one year afterwards.
upro - an online browser application to support navigation in New Eden and beyond. |
DSpite Culhach
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:28:00 -
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Is there a way to make IGB links call up stuff in game? Like make a link to a market item so it calls up the market window with the item in it, it would allow making html notes, friends lists etc, that could be shared to call up info quickly. I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
131
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:31:00 -
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Dude, you picked a wrong thread to ask wrong question. Go read the stickies. NOW. |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
183
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:21:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:Is there a way to make IGB links call up stuff in game? Like make a link to a market item so it calls up the market window with the item in it, it would allow making html notes, friends lists etc, that could be shared to call up info quickly. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/IGB_Javascript_Methods -- |
Mitome Cobon-Han
Federation Interstellar Resources
1
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:00:00 -
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I rely on todayGÇÖs IGB built-in JavaScript functions and HTTP headers. There is a myriad of things one can do with it on a low entry level (while absolutely none of it has to do with authentication or authorization).
I don't like the idea of firing-up out-of-game browsers, as from a in-game point of view, my computer on earth doesn't exist.
I don care if the IGB is a bit outdated (its not as worse as IE 6.0), and I don't do my e-banking with it.
In comparison with fixing the worst CCP API server anomalies, getting CREST and SSO (with a Two-Factor Authentication!) it would be a very low priority for me.
CREST and SSO are advanced developers functions and need a new dev. license. While the IGB JS-functions and HTTP headers is entry level stuff every average web-designer can do, without being a full-blown web 2.0 developer.
While I appreciate the efforts and ideas of CCP with new developer website and license, if I develop something redistributable, I stay with those low-level functions, as I don't want to ask my clients to get a developer-license for every of their installations.
Those my ISK-cents.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
131
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:46:00 -
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Mitome Cobon-Han wrote:I don't like the idea of firing-up out-of-game browsers, as from a in-game point of view, my computer on earth doesn't exist. We could not care less about this argument, because, quite obviously, it do exists. And there was, once upon a time, a method to call the OOG browser with IGB link.
Quote:I don care if the IGB is a bit outdated (its not as worse as IE 6.0), and I don't do my e-banking with it. I don't think we're discussing the current "awesome" IGB in game. Neither in state, nor in form. What we need, it can't provide.
Quote:...getting CREST and SSO...
CREST and SSO ... ...web 2.0... Are you drunk? Is this a kind of mantra? Speak proper english, please. |
Zerellis Ensa
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:36:00 -
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For the love of god this thing needs to be updated. 50% of the websites out there cause it to hang which makes the entire client unresponsive for a few seconds.
At the very least give us an option to shut off the IGB and have all URL's load in the system default browser. |
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