The new way is better, in RL most of the times there is a scarcity of resources and prices factor in that scarcity.

The old way had a BIG flaw: with the multiboxers and botters, ices price would slowly tend to zero over time (actually to the equivalent of 1 PLEX a month). Now divide 1 PLEX value for the hours in a month (bots don't sleep) and you'll get how low ice was destined to go if CCP did not step in and create a finite resources system.


The only big defect of this new system is that it's a "go in and hoard all ice with 70 alts FAST, leaving smaller miners ZERO chances and 4 hours to wait again".
Every of the very few ice systems will have its 2-3 big hoard sharks, the others will just be crushed and will quit.

Because the idiots advocating it don't mine, never have, or are ignorant.

It's not effort, it's T I M E R S.

Do you have any idea how many people play Eve and mine?

And anyone who mines the ice nearest the hubs has an advantage. So while there may be ice in another system, you won't know that for sure. And one of the worst enemies of the industrialist is travel time.

80 high sec systems? Are you sure?

However it seem many nullbears think that high is a land of milk and honey where there is nothing but isk falling into your lap as soon as you log in.

More seriously, Fozzie - I would like to see some fixes for T1 module manufacturing to encourage noob industrialists.

How about it? Is it even on the list of things to do?

Point was it will take less time to get to you than for you to get out and combat pilots as a general rule hate defensivly waiting in an gravimetric site or asteroid belt in hopes some will come along.
As was stated many times before the increased reward would have been good enough if the sites still needed to be scanned down, but with the proposed changes the reward are not worth the absolute rush that will be in mining in low and empire null sec.

Don't think so much. He talks about the past and does not seem to know how many ice miners actually are around. A ton.

Expenses: not so much, (mining crystals, drones, hulkageddon, corp member paychecks for showing up) but compare time and income in mining to time and income in mission whoring, ratting, COSMOS, scan sites, or just about anything else (including other passive forms of isk generation like PI). It's the least profitable thing you can be doing, grant total (and frankly, even mission whoring, who buys ammo? Make your own or use lasers)

Just undo the barges buffs and let PLAYERS kill miners and define supply, demand and market price. THAT's an imperfect yet sandboxy and realistic solution, not this farce.

Deal. But ONLY in low sec and NPC null sec. Sov null sec is too easy to transform into an endless bot-land and there's nobody to report the bots and it's too easy for them to detect neuts in local and warp to POS / safe.