EVE Search - Please never add the T3 mining ship

DataRunner Attor wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Arronicus wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Benny Therios wrote:

Actually, on second thoughts, some variety might be nice.

you mean 6 ships for 1 job isn't already enough? (7 if you count the venture)

oh wait, people only use the retriever because mining ship balance is ****.
remind me again why t3s would be better than just fixing the current lineup?

"1 job"
"Ice mining, Mercoxit harvesting, General Ore harvesting, Gas cloud harvesting"
"High yield strong active tank low cargo low buffer, Huge buffer low yield medium cargo weak active tank, medium buffer, medium yield massive cargo medium active tank"

It's 4 jobs, and a variety of ships with different reasons to use them. The fact that all of them get used (retrievers and skiffs primarily in highsec, hulks are the miner of choice in 0.0), suggests that they all fit their roles well. t3 would be better than 'fixing' the current lineup, because the current lineup isn't broken, and t3 might bring interesting new possbilities, like something sturdier than a venture for gas harvesting.

1 job, mining.
also you don't gas harvest in mining ships.

there's a variety of ships with no reason to use at least half of them, as evident by ccp's own figures pointing out that the hulk, mackinaw, and retriever mine over 80% of ALL ore in the game. (except mercoxit, that's 75%)
hell, the mack and retriever mine over 50% of all high sec ore on their own.
and no, the skiff doesn't really get used, mining less than 5% of any given high sec ore. (and less than 10% of any given ore, regardless of security, mercoxit excluded)

not all of the ships get used at all, which is why the rebalance failed horribly and mining barges/exhumers need balancing before they even consider the irrelevant and borderline pointless addition of t3 mining ships. if you think it's acceptable to have ships mining less than 5% of all the ore in the game and that it's "balanced" then i don't know what to say to you.

however i will accept the gas mining ship line needs a t2 variant, something that can survive gas explosions or whatever (i don't gas mine, it takes too much effort to find gas sites) as i hear that's a common issue.

I'm still trying to figure out where you get these numbers from, cause none of these numbers from what I see are correct in anyway. From all the mining corps I've seen, they generally follow this rule of thumb, mining barges for high sec, exhumes for low/null sec mining operations. Hulks are normally left alone from roaming mining ops due to the simple fact that they are design in mind that you are going to live in that system and you have more the one hulk AND you have a small logistic fleet to back you up, and take that ore off your hands. Though many find the skiff a great eception to the high sec low sec rule of thumb when mine due to the fact that it a tanky little bugger.

Here what the rebalanced did my not so friendly person. The rebalance gave them actual roles, these roles now take time for people to figure out how to work in their new meta on how they will exploited these ships to their fullest positional.

Back to what I was saying though is that many of these numbers you are getting are either limited only to your corp, or are just out right wrong and you are just pulling numbers out of your arse to support your argument.

I myself would happily accept T3 mining vessels as long as it allows us to set them up very much like a cruiser, I would love a bubble dodging miner =)