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Waldo Barnstormer	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Kaell Meynn Originally by: Kaaii And what to do about all those bookmark sellers... Remove bookmarks. :D But I agree with the others comments. They are annoying because the fill up the limited escrow window so you cannot claim true escrows. I had a faction ship escrowed to me in empire, i'm in 0.0. I want to claim it, but I cannot see it because of ESCROW SCAMS, and because of people using escrow as a market as well (but that's another story all together). This is preventing me from using ESCROW for ESCROWS, and it's lame. don't remove bookmarks, just make it unprofitable for ppl to sell bookmarks on escrow... a tax on using escrow instead of a flat fee of less than 1000 isk might well do that. If not, then a filter would be awesome.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer Originally by: Maya Rkell Yep, and there goes 95% of the escrowing to corpmates etc, necessating a lot more hassel and travel, 5% higher prices on ALL orders from NAGA etc. Er? kthxTHINK If you're sending something to a corpmate for free.. simple math, 5% of nothing.. If you're selling something to a corpmate, you could just do a trade? Not difficult.. they cant pick it up right now? No problem, put it on escrow at 0.00 isk and then have them send the money straight to your wallet. Not all transfers between corpmates are for free. You might be a commie... "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Kaell Meynn Originally by: Kaaii And what to do about all those bookmark sellers... Remove bookmarks. :D But I agree with the others comments. They are annoying because the fill up the limited escrow window so you cannot claim true escrows. I had a faction ship escrowed to me in empire, i'm in 0.0. I want to claim it, but I cannot see it because of ESCROW SCAMS, No, because of a BUG. kthx don't confuse the REAL issue by bringing in your pet hates for use of escrow. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:15:00 - [34] Maybe make escrow tied to marketing skills... Or Introduce some "escrow skills" like the marketing ones, limiting the number, range etc... Or a combo of them "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.." http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php
Kaell Meynn	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Maya Rkell No, because of a BUG. kthx don't confuse the REAL issue by bringing in your pet hates for use of escrow. No, because of a combination of an implementation that did not take into consideration misuse of the features and a misuse of the feature. The interaction of the two is what causes it. Removing either one will solve it, making escrows capable of infinite size listings will create more lag, thus it would seem the more logical choice to make the misuse harder/less often used/not possible.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:30:00 - [36] I want a "block all escrows of this person" on the escrow screen Ö
Richard Valentine	Posted - 2005.09.27 23:05:00 - [37] simple solution: when you show info on a character, there is an option to view the other 2 characters on that account. kind of like when you show info, you can then look at corp info, then alliance... something like that. it cant be too hard for CCP to tie accounts together like that can it? and scammers would soon stop if they knew you could look up their main and do something about them!
aeti	Posted - 2005.09.28 00:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Magnum III IÆm sure the scammer would be dead if they could not hide in a beginner corp. no, because they could just make their own corp and do it the point is its an alt that will never undock, and even if it did get killed then im sure the basic clone won't have a problem in covering their sp (which aren't even needed) so really that won't hurt the scammers, just the ppl in those noob corps that now cannot escrow
Julian Delancy	Posted - 2005.09.28 01:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Richard Valentine simple solution: when you show info on a character, there is an option to view the other 2 characters on that account. kind of like when you show info, you can then look at corp info, then alliance... something like that. it cant be too hard for CCP to tie accounts together like that can it? and scammers would soon stop if they knew you could look up their main and do something about them! I really dislike that idea. This is a role playing game. The whole point is that I can play different roles with different characters. You start allowing people to connect characters together via their rl owner you might as well not have the ability to have multiple characters at all. In this case it would be helpful but in so many other cases it would destroy the imersion to have one character being dealt with differently due to the action of another character.
Vishnej	Posted - 2005.09.28 01:24:00 - [40] All we need is a better escrow system. Nothing would change in implementation, just the GUI used to navigate them. It needs changing so that you can freely browse all escrows, as well as block people from appearing on your list, rather than being some warped picture of the last 1000 (2000? not sure exactly how many) items put up. [url=http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=212185]T2 Destroyers: a proposal[/url]
StealthNet	Posted - 2005.09.28 02:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Navaa Galo How about a right-click option on the escrow contract that allows you to either: -ignore the contract -ignore all contracts by this person -ignore all contracts by this person's corp This would provide a built-in filter that you could carry with you from station to station (that would complement the existing station/region filters). Guess there is only one way to implement it without bringing the servers to their knees... Doing it client side. That would increase the download times, but imho thats a good idea. _______________________________________________
Callisto Augustus	Posted - 2005.09.28 02:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Navaa Galo How about a right-click option on the escrow contract that allows you to either: -ignore the contract -ignore all contracts by this person -ignore all contracts by this person's corp This would provide a built-in filter that you could carry with you from station to station (that would complement the existing station/region filters). ./signed Also, I would like to mention that there ARE legitamate bookmark sellers out there. I would recommend anything being sold by a character named MADAM BM. I bought several regions worth of BM's from her and they've all been perfect instas. Thank you!
Raznarok	Posted - 2005.09.28 02:16:00 - [43] Simple solution thats already in place. Inspect Merchandise "You are about to purchase [insert item list here], are you sure you wish to proceed" Then the options of Yes or No come up. The scammers make me giggle, but if you cant tell a scam or not, then dont buy whatever it is your looking at. It really aint that difficult, as the OP checked what it was that for sale after inspection he knew not to buy it. Nuff sed really
Rebecca Hale	Posted - 2005.09.28 02:16:00 - [44] The bottom line is that if somebody makes it, somebody else will use it to their advantage. The fast and easy way to combat this problem is to make an ignore list allowing you to ignore possible scammers. The good majority of people who use escrow can spot a possible scam a mile away, it's going to be harder and harder for scammers to sell their wares when there being placed on ignore lists.
Magnum III	Posted - 2005.09.28 04:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Navaa Galo How about a right-click option on the escrow contract that allows you to either: -ignore the contract -ignore all contracts by this person -ignore all contracts by this person's corp This would provide a built-in filter that you could carry with you from station to station (that would complement the existing station/region filters). Me too I'll also Sign this. Ok, from what I see in this thread, we have a general consensus that some sort of blocking in the Escrow would be a good idea. I agree this would be good, if I scammed I would hate it if more and more people did not even see my scam escrow and I could not even tell how many could not see my scam escrows either. Because lets face it, one of the reasons the scammers do it is to grief people because even us who would not fall for it, it is still annoying and causes some problems to say the least. You can /ignore people in chat right? Well why not stretch the ignore capabilities a little further into the escrow and what ever else for that matter? So CCP, what do you think? :)
Kasibee'an	Posted - 2005.09.28 07:10:00 - [46] Search Filter. Problem Solved.
Vaugue	Posted - 2005.09.28 08:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Julian Delancy You start allowing people to connect characters together via their rl owner you might as well not have the ability to have multiple characters at all. Woo, i like that idea (a bit off topic but eh) I don't even use escrow period.. problem solved for me. Personaly i like the market UI and the ability to order the list via prices, it easily filters the scams to the bottom of both the sellers and buyers list. Just do away with the escrow all together. For those complaining they can't transfer to another character? What better use for a secure container no? ================================================================ My Space
Sapater	Posted - 2005.09.28 10:20:00 - [48] This reminds me of the GREAT TTI debacle WAY back in beta. If I remember correctly, someone from TTI was supposed to setup a buy or for 300mil isk for trit but instead setup a buy order for 1 trit @ 300mil. It was a riot when it happened and all hell broke lose Threats, wars...It was the funniest thing we saw in beta I think Anyways, Deja Vu...
Moridin	Posted - 2005.09.28 10:33:00 - [49] rule 1 -10 always inspect. however scammers ** me off in generall. u see this wonderfull deal on escrow. thinking ahh. now i got a bargin. then after inspecting u get ed cuz there is no deal. all the buzz of maby hitting jackpot is gone. and that **is me off about scammers. so yes. i want to block those bottleheads ____ (\_/) (> <) (X.x) This is Headless Bunny. Copy Headless Bunny into your signature to help prevent his attempt at world domination.
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2005.09.28 14:55:00 - [50] Scammers are a real pain for wasting space on Escrows, blocking out real sales etc. but sheer volume is just as annoying. Recently I arranged via private messages to buy some stuff from a guy, he told be what it cost and that it was on escrow in Yulai, so I thought "sounds good, sale". I go to Escrow - ** I can't see the item. I fly to Yulai, damn the guy forgot to mention which station, oh well I'll just dock in the first one and view all escrows in the system - WTF I still can't see what I want! I had to dock in each station 1-by-1 and set the Escrow view to station only, eventually I found the goods and was able to buy them, but boy was a I psed off! Various filters for Escrow are a must. The ones suggested in the posts above this one are a good start for blocking out scammers, but we also need other search options, inclusing search by person selling, and wildcard searches on description. Blowing s**t up since May 2003
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.09.28 15:34:00 - [51] AAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA there is a sucker born every minute!!! If you are dumb enough to say "oh pretty pretty must have!" before you inspect such merchandise. Well..........
Kilosher Silgen	Posted - 2005.09.28 16:08:00 - [52] With the blocking feature - one problem. Scammer deletes alt, makes new alt and scams away again. Instead of entering your own description, maybe the actual description being visible might help. With more than one item it could say Various. A pop-up would show the full list when you put the mouse pointer over it. Or you could use inspect item!
Garia666	Posted - 2005.09.28 17:37:00 - [53] Edited by: Garia666 on 28/09/2005 17:38:21 there shoudl be a kind of rating system for people who put up escrows if they screw the place you can put them at negative rating.. If you did an good deal you could give him some extra points.. wich makes him more reliable But then in suchs a way that it affects your CCP acount and not just 1 alt ---------------------------------------------- CCP [ Cash Collecting Program ] Slogan : The more Skilzz the more Moneh .. ----------------------------------------------
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.09.28 17:45:00 - [54] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/09/2005 17:45:23 Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 28/09/2005 17:38:21 there shoudl be a kind of rating system for people who put up escrows if they screw the place you can put them at negative rating.. If you did an good deal you could give him some extra points.. wich makes him more reliable But then in suchs a way that it affects your CCP acount and not just 1 alt So what happens when a person has an alt who is a honest trader and another who is a scammer? ♥♥♥♥♥
Lt Modigh	Posted - 2005.09.28 20:55:00 - [55] dont get me wrong.. i hate escrow-scammers too but maybe scam escrows is the price we have to pay for a free escrow system?! the market demands skills(to sell) and tax, escrow got scams. nothing in eve is for free, neither in RL world.
Garia666	Posted - 2005.09.28 21:43:00 - [56] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/09/2005 17:45:23 Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 28/09/2005 17:38:21 there shoudl be a kind of rating system for people who put up escrows if they screw the place you can put them at negative rating.. If you did an good deal you could give him some extra points.. wich makes him more reliable But then in suchs a way that it affects your CCP acount and not just 1 alt So what happens when a person has an alt who is a honest trader and another who is a scammer? Well thats evens the score.. ---------------------------------------------- CCP [ Cash Collecting Program ] Slogan : The more Skilzz the more Moneh .. ----------------------------------------------
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.09.28 22:17:00 - [57] It's not just escrow that needs the ignore list - the whole trade system should have one...I posted an idea about it once, but dmaned if I can find the thread now. Basically you should be able to add people to a "blacklist". When you look at the market or Escrow, orders (buy and/or sell) from people on your blacklist are not visible. There should be a "show blacklist" toggle, so you can see them in case no-one else is selling what you want. This would SERIOUSLY discourage scammers in escrow, and allow a bit of roleplaying into the market - you could embargo someone who had podded or attacked you, for instance. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Magnum III	Posted - 2005.09.29 01:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Lt Modigh dont get me wrong.. i hate escrow-scammers too but maybe scam escrows is the price we have to pay for a free escrow system?! the market demands skills(to sell) and tax, escrow got scams. nothing in eve is for free, neither in RL world. Yeah sure but it still would be nice and plenty realistic to have an ignore list ability, I think that's normal for online games anyways. Maybe CCP thinks it is part of the fun of the game to get ****ed off looking through escrow items?
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.09.29 01:55:00 - [59] I love the comedy bm scammers on escrow atm "secret chelm spawn in empire 0.7, 10mil bounty drops billions of isk in loot in essence region" I mean, come on are people really daft enough to claim it? :/ ---------------
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.09.29 04:51:00 - [60] I've long been a proponent of escrow Black Listing for some time. We've already got a successful White Listing system for Eve-mail, so I dont' see why it wouldn't work for escrows. The only possible problem I can see with such a system would be if the escrow listings reset to the top every time you added someone to the Black List. Going through several thousand escrow listings that you have to B-list, with the fram resetting every time you did anything would be... unpleasant. I doubt scammers would put much effort into churning out the alts; scammers in general want to put in the least amount of effort for their scam, so I doubt many would go to all the trouble of deleting then creating new characters just to relist their 129m unit of trit. Chances are, if you B-listed them once, you'll b-list them again, reguardless of the new name. Harry Voyager

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