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chris Wiliams
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.27 17:49:00 -
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please can someone give me a list of this years csm members and who is chairman of it thank you |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1258
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Posted - 2013.04.27 17:58:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/nsigbtB.jpg is the candidates. Chair is voted by the members themselves once they start so you won't find that out until that happens.
http://i.imgur.com/QX4zvTj.jpg is the voting totals. 10k votes down from last year.
edit: http://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/your-csm
There's the official CCP list, in alphabetical order. Mynnna and Ripard Teg won the top 2 spots and the only confirmed seats to each Summit. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8886
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:05:00 -
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So much for the unstoppable bloc vote.
Quick, let's start working on excuses to note vote in CSM 9! Malcanis' Law:-á "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1258
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:So much for the unstoppable bloc vote.!
The one thing in life you can count on is not being able to count on Test :v
Still way more bloc candidates than FPTP and no Chair vote would have given, though. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
84
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:So much for the unstoppable bloc vote.
Eagerly awaiting Frying Doom's post on how he is still right. Everytime you vote for Trebor, DNSBlack's Arazu dies. |
corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
239
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:18:00 -
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would be nice to see the actual voted numbers, are they releasing those ? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1258
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:21:00 -
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Friggz wrote:Eagerly awaiting Frying Doom's post on how he is still right.
He was dead right about the pathetic turnout.
corebloodbrothers wrote:would be nice to see the actual voted numbers, are they releasing those ?
They're going to release anonymized ballots so anyone interested can vet the results and make sure the results are sound. There's no actually voted numbers though, since once a candidate gets enough votes to win a seat in STV, their votes go elsewhere. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
121
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:24:00 -
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I think a hearty HA! is due the doubters who thought WH folks couldn't get their **** together. |
Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
85
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:36:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Friggz wrote:Eagerly awaiting Frying Doom's post on how he is still right. He was dead right about the pathetic turnout. Then again, everyone who wasn't a member of CSM 7 could have called that one with their eyes closed after seeing the record low number of candidates.
The important thing is the system worked. For the bluster from the null sec blocks about how they'd take 12 seats, the CSM we got has a good amount of variety, and it managed that even without a huge turnout.
I'd say it's proved itself a success. Everytime you vote for Trebor, DNSBlack's Arazu dies. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1259
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:38:00 -
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Friggz wrote:The important thing is the system worked. For the bluster from the null sec blocks about how they'd take 12 seats, the CSM we got has a good amount of variety, and it managed that even without a huge turnout.
I'd say it's proved itself a success.
THE SYSTEM IS A SUCCESS
*barely enough candidates even run* *loses 10,000 votes even with CCP actually trying to promote the election for once*
That's Trebor Logic if I've ever heard it ;) "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
85
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:43:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Friggz wrote:The important thing is the system worked. For the bluster from the null sec blocks about how they'd take 12 seats, the CSM we got has a good amount of variety, and it managed that even without a huge turnout.
I'd say it's proved itself a success. THE SYSTEM IS A SUCCESS *barely enough candidates even run* *loses 10,000 votes even with CCP actually trying to promote the election for once* That's Trebor Logic if I've ever heard it ;)
*We get exactly what the system is designed to do, create a balanced CSM
THE SYSTEM IS A FAILURE
That's Goon logic if I ever heard it. ;) Everytime you vote for Trebor, DNSBlack's Arazu dies. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1259
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:50:00 -
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This CSM is less diverse than last year. Candidacy dropped hugely from past years (even counting the deadzone pre-CSM 5 years). Votes dropped by 10k. And yet, this is a success because some wildly optimistic (and quite frankly stuipid) predictions about 10+ null candidates didn't happen?
You're straight into delusion territory at this point. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1174
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:30:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:This CSM is less diverse than last year. Candidacy dropped hugely from past years (even counting the deadzone pre-CSM 5 years). Votes dropped by 10k. And yet, this is a success because some wildly optimistic (and quite frankly stuipid) predictions about 10+ null candidates didn't happen?
You're straight into delusion territory at this point. Slightly beat out the number of votes for CSM6.
They seemed to do OK, and CSM8 has more diversity on it as well.
The story of this election seems to be Ripard Teg beating out Sort Dragon for one of the permanent seats (and Banlish, TEST's #1, not even making it). Turnout might be low but it looks like voting patterns are changing, possibly due to the new system. The day when 0.0 needs to combine into a 0.0 bloc instead of voting as coalitions might be coming sooner than a lot of people think. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
None ofthe Above
529
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:57:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Friggz wrote:The important thing is the system worked. For the bluster from the null sec blocks about how they'd take 12 seats, the CSM we got has a good amount of variety, and it managed that even without a huge turnout.
I'd say it's proved itself a success. THE SYSTEM IS A SUCCESS *barely enough candidates even run* *loses 10,000 votes even with CCP actually trying to promote the election for once* That's Trebor Logic if I've ever heard it ;)
I think the downturn can be laid at CCP's feet. Exemplified by the near zombie levels of enthusiasm in that get out the vote video.
Voting systems were a bit wonky. The primary a mess and buggy/evolving voting page.
And oh btw, four out of five ain't bad for my endorsements.
Psychotic Monk, hang in there. I think you did an excellent showing and have a good shot at CSM 9. In the mean time you can pull a Hans and work from the outside. I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Ali Aras, Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |
None ofthe Above
530
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:48:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Malcanis wrote:So much for the unstoppable bloc vote.! The one thing in life you can count on is not being able to count on Test :v Still way more bloc candidates than FPTP and no Chair vote would have given, though.
I doubt that conclusion. It'll be interesting to run an analysis of FPTP with everyone's first prick though. That would be the closest approximation to a comparison of FPTP and STV. I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
595
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:07:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Snow Axe wrote:This CSM is less diverse than last year. Candidacy dropped hugely from past years (even counting the deadzone pre-CSM 5 years). Votes dropped by 10k. And yet, this is a success because some wildly optimistic (and quite frankly stuipid) predictions about 10+ null candidates didn't happen?
You're straight into delusion territory at this point. Slightly beat out the number of votes for CSM6. They seemed to do OK, and CSM8 has more diversity on it as well. The story of this election seems to be Ripard Teg beating out Sort Dragon for one of the permanent seats (and Banlish, TEST's #1, not even making it). Turnout might be low but it looks like voting patterns are changing, possibly due to the new system. The day when 0.0 needs to combine into a 0.0 bloc instead of voting as coalitions might be coming sooner than a lot of people think. While Banlish might have been Test's #1, he was the HBC's #3 and TEST used the HBC list. |
Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:23:00 -
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Friggz wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Friggz wrote:Eagerly awaiting Frying Doom's post on how he is still right. He was dead right about the pathetic turnout. Then again, everyone who wasn't a member of CSM 7 could have called that one with their eyes closed after seeing the record low number of candidates. The important thing is the system worked. For the bluster from the null sec blocks about how they'd take 12 seats, the CSM we got has a good amount of variety, and it managed that even without a huge turnout. I'd say it's proved itself a success. Yes wonderful success.
Did you notice that they didn't release the voter percentage this year. That is because the percentage will be the lowest we have seen in years.
As to the line up, It doesn't look bad at all. Just a shame that with the voter turn out it means that the CSM represents the lowest percentage of players in years.
oh and yeah I was right, STV does suck, we had the largest promotion by CCP ever and no one bothered to vote. Yes CSM7s lack of transparency and communication will not have helped, neither will the fact they just looked like a bunch of CCP cheerleaders (Well some of them). The players don't want a CSM that is a PR tool for CCP, they want a voice.
Hope that fits the post on how I am still right. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
89
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:31:00 -
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Meh. 2/10 Everytime you vote for Trebor, DNSBlack's Arazu dies. |
Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:38:00 -
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Yeah thats my opinion of the STV, glad you agree Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1260
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:47:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:I doubt that conclusion. It'll be interesting to run an analysis of FPTP with everyone's first pick though. That would be the closest approximation to a comparison of FPTP and STV.
Actually a closer approximation might have been last year when, you know, major blocs backed 1 candidate each.
"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:55:00 -
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On the bright side.
CSM 7 can't have done that much harm. Apparently at the close of their term they still did not actually do anything. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:CSM_Seventh_Candidacy Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
None ofthe Above
535
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:03:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:I doubt that conclusion. It'll be interesting to run an analysis of FPTP with everyone's first pick though. That would be the closest approximation to a comparison of FPTP and STV. Actually a closer approximation might have been last year when, you know, major blocs backed 1 candidate each.
Well whatever, dude. I think it's pretty arguable considering all the changes that have occurred in the last year. Backing one candidate each in FPTP vs many under STV doesn't make that much of a difference due to the elimination of the spoiler effect.
At any rate, I am pretty comfortable with the results. Dire predictions of nullsec domination have not come true. CFC and HBC blocs have some excellent representation as they should, but so do many other parts of the playerbase. Yay WH guys! RvB! Casuals! Provi!
I suspect it will be an interesting debate when it comes to electing the chair.
I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement. |
Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:11:00 -
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While the candidates are diverse in some respects the vast majority still come from Null and Wormholes. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
None ofthe Above
537
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:29:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:While the candidates are diverse in some respects the vast majority still come from Null and Wormholes.
And this is unexpected? Its no worse than before. Might even be a bit better depending on how you look at it. I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement. |
Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:32:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Frying Doom wrote:While the candidates are diverse in some respects the vast majority still come from Null and Wormholes. And this is unexpected? Its no worse than before. Might even be a bit better depending on how you look at it. Yes the bright side is there are 2 WH members Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
None ofthe Above
537
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:48:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:None ofthe Above wrote:Frying Doom wrote:While the candidates are diverse in some respects the vast majority still come from Null and Wormholes. And this is unexpected? Its no worse than before. Might even be a bit better depending on how you look at it. Yes the bright side is there are 2 WH members
And Milke.
And Ali
And ...
Wait lets go get the whole slate shall we?
Ali Aras Chitsa Jason James Arget Kesper North Korvin Malcanis Mangala Solaris Mike Azariah Mynnna Ripard Teg ProGodLegend Sala Cameron Sort Dragon Trebor Daehdoow
Near as I can tell we got a group of hardworking individuals with diverse backgrounds. Korvin is likely a big step up in output over Green Lee. Ali is a promising world-wise newbie and Provi FC. Trebor, well our opinions of him are well documented. Malcanis has written some of the best essays on how to improve mechanics. Ripard the robo blogger. Mike the damn unicorn. Mangala Solaris of RvB (highsec? how'd that happen?) . And even the nullsec candidates have largely distinguished themselves very well and will be an asset to CSM and CCP.
This may very well be the hardest working CSM yet. We at least have a shot at something successful with this crew. Hopefully we won't have half to two thirds melt away right after the first meeting.
Honestly from this field of candidates, it's hard to say how this could have worked out much better (Psychotic Monk would have been nice, if for nothing else than giving me a perfect 5 out of 5 on my endorsements to elected ratio).
I am pretty happy with the results.
I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement. |
Callduron
194
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:50:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote: *loses 10,000 votes even with CCP actually trying to promote the election for once*
Last year it was possible for anyone who plexes an account to generate an additional account simply by sending a buddy key to yourself and plexing it. We got 21 day buddy key +30 days on the alt and 30 days on the main. I made several such disposable alts for various reasons. It was a perfectly legal form of gameplay and no doubt a great many 51 day alts got created last election.
So last year anyone who wished to could generate +1 account for 7 weeks for each account paid for by plex completely free. And vote with it.
This is probably where your 10k additional votes came from.
So this year the same amount of real voters voted as last year and the year before. 49k, about 10% of all accounts. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1177
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:25:00 -
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Callduron wrote: 49k, about 10% of all accounts. nasty trick that PLEX thing heheh.
On this math though, the Chinese weren't voting. I'm pretty sure the 500k "world wide subscribers" is generally accepted to include EVE China. Since relaunching it CCP's been pretty cagey about the actual real EVE Tranquility subscribers, but given the previous number of 300,000 and the moderate growth due to Retribution i'd guess that number to be somewhere between 315,000-325,000.
Since the player base is larger than CSM6 but the vote count was effectively the same, the % of voting players would by definition be down. But i think it'd only be down 1-3% not +6% "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:43:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Callduron wrote: 49k, about 10% of all accounts. nasty trick that PLEX thing heheh. On this math though, the Chinese weren't voting. I'm pretty sure the 500k "world wide subscribers" is generally accepted to include EVE China. Since relaunching it CCP's been pretty cagey about the actual real EVE Tranquility subscribers, but given the previous number of 300,000 and the moderate growth due to Retribution i'd guess that number to be somewhere between 315,000-325,000. Since the player base is larger than CSM6 but the vote count was effectively the same, the % of voting players would by definition be down. But i think it'd only be down 1-3% not +6% CCP reported 352,500 in March 2012, since then numbers have grown, but even if we take the figure from a year ago and use that to calculate we have only 14% of the population.
So down 2 and a half percent if we take it that the eve population has not grown in the last year but we all know it has.
So personally I would say a drop of 4-5% Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1261
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:11:00 -
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Callduron wrote:This is probably where your 10k additional votes came from..
Sure doesn't explain the far smaller pool of candidates that ran this year. Unless of course you don't think far fewer candidates running plus a sizable drop in voting turnout means that the perception is that CSM 7 was a net negative for players. If that's the case, post with your CSM 7 main I guess? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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