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Kazuki Ishikawa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:39:00 -
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If this is in the wrong forum, I apologize. I've been playing this game for about 2 full days now after one of my friends who has played the game for years got me into playing it and I have got to say I love the mining aspect of this game (coming from someone who has played a lot of minecraft ).
Anyways, I have been mining in my Venture for a while now and have used EVEMon and EFT to try to plan out my future skill and fitting plans and was wondering when to change from the Venture to a Mining barge like the Procurer. I was planning to work towards Mining IV and Refining IV before anything else for the Miner II and better refining after reading Halada's Complete Miner's Guide V3.0 Extended.
I've been looking around for fits for the venture and it seems to involve putting a Medium Shield Extender II, Anti-EM screen reinforcer I, Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I, and Small Core Defense Field Extender I. It seems to take a long time to train the skills required to do so while the skills required to train for the Procurer also seem to take a long time. I was wondering if this is normal when training Mining related skills or if I am planning this wrong. Apparently, I would also need a Small Processor Overclocking Unit I just to put a Medium Shield Extender according to EFT. Should I plan to train the skills needed for the Procurer before, after, or somewhere in between fitting the venture.
I'm currently in a venture fitted with 2x Miner I, 2x Hobgoblin I, and a Survey Scanner II with level 3 electronics, level 1 industry, level 2 mining, and 9 hours to mining frigate 4 at the writing of this document. I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.
If someone could also give me tips on when it would be viable to start mining in lowsec, that would be awesome too. Right now, I'm mining in Security Level 0.7.
TL;DR: Should I continue fitting my Venture or work towards the Procurer as soon as Refining IV is finished? |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:51:00 -
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Eh, i didn't read most of what you wrote.
Low sec means other players can attack you. With no great consequences really. So like, if someone finds you in a belt, they'll attack.
You could mine there any time you want in your current ship (venture).
I don't think as of right now there is a reward in terms of isk/hour to make it worth while.
If by some odd chance you meant .6 or .5 as low sec, you could do those now as well.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:55:00 -
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Kazuki Ishikawa wrote:
If someone could also give me tips on when it would be viable to start mining in lowsec, that would be awesome too. Right now, I'm mining in Security Level 0.7.
3 year player. Low Sec mining is not viable, nor do-able solo at all.
The PI there is good though. Go for that.
There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:29:00 -
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mining barge > all other skill considerations as a new player.
mining in low sec is something only retards do. don't do it, you're not ********.
flying a mining barge > t2 mlus > t2 mining crystals. that's the order of things you're best off training for. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:14:00 -
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First of all...welcome to EVE!
Yes this is the right forum for that type of question. Haldada's mining guide is great but a bit out of date...but in a good way. Lot of good things have happened since that guide.
Personally I would get into a mining barge as soon as you can. You will mine faster and make more isk in the process. I recently trained up an alt and just went into the mining barge and I fly a covetor with my other miners. Procurer or Retriever are also fine. The main difference is that each has a role in mining now. A procurer will be tougher to kill than the others. A Retriever has a huge ore hold for soloing but can't mine as well as the Covetor, which has a small hold and designed for group mining.
I suggest starting with a Retriever. You can fill up your hold and run back and forth to station by yourself instead of jetcanning. As far as lowsec, I wouldn't worry about that yet. It's going to be more of a pain for you because other players can (and will) attack you there. The increased ore options won't cover the trouble of going to low sec. Finally, I suggest getting into a 0.5 system that is 'off the beaten path' for instance. You won't get a lot of traffic and the asteroids will be larger with more variety. The rats still won't be much of a challenge for you either.
After that, look into getting T1 crystals trained then T2's. As Dave said above, make sure you get T2 mining laser upgrades. Then look into going for a Mackinaw or Hulk. Finally, if you like mining you'll need to find some friends to mine with and someone that has an Orca or if you go to low/null sec, a Rorqual to help give you mining boosts.
I hope that helps. If you feel like giving it a try, the program linked in my sig can show you how much you will make mining per hour for different ships and skill combinations. Feel free to hit me up in game if you have an questions.
Good luck! Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4920
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:50:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:mine with and someone that has an Orca or if you go to low/null sec,
All great advice but that. Orca's almost 100% die in Low Sec unless extremely well defended by other 'paid' players. ( I may have misunderstood you because of the 'or'.) There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:37:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Zifrian wrote:mine with and someone that has an Orca or if you go to low/null sec, All great advice but that. Orca's almost 100% die in Low Sec unless extremely well defended by other 'paid' players. ( I may have misunderstood you because of the 'or'.) Yeah I assumed 'friend/corp has pos' but didn't state it. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:58:00 -
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Core skills, i.e. the ones that give you maximum hitpoints, capacitor, speed, CPU/Powergrid, etc are NEVER a bad thing as they effect 100% of the ships in Eve. It takes less than 2 weeks to have a fully T2 Shield Tank on any Mining ship, which is what they all use in terms of tank (mostly mid slots). As for going to the a Barge, yes you should work on that if you want to mine with any real efficiency. The max a Venture is gonna push is maybe 3-5 mil/hr. Any Barge (I prefer Procurer for it's tanking ability) can push 8+ mil/hr even with lowish skills. Once you get fully T2 with your mining related modules (incl the ship bonuses) + add in a freindly Orca boost you shouldn't have a problem pushing 15-22 mil/hr.
I will say this now, TANK YOUR MINING VESSEL. I know how much players want to fit max yield and just 'hope' they don't get ganked but they are the EXACT players the gankers target. They will fit a ship with a passive targeter and scan you without you're knowledge to see what's on the ship. If it's fit max yield and little to no tank you may find yourself in a pod a few minutes/hours later. This ofc assumes you will be mining in 0.5+ sec. Don't mine in Low, just not worth it, mine in Null if you can get into a NRDS Alliance, especially if it's an Industrial Corp/Alliance, that's where the real Isk is. But still don't expect not to lose ships, it WILL happen so keep your Clone insured at all times. Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
Dave Stark
2918
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Posted - 2013.04.28 07:09:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote:If it's fit max yield and little to no tank you may find yourself in a pod a few minutes/hours later.
confirming this is bullshit.
i fit for max yield and have never lost an exhumer, and only lost 1 barge when i goaded a player in local during hulkageddon. not to mention mining barges can't fit a tank worth losing 30% yield for, more efficient to replace a lost mining barge than to tank it. sad truth. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:34:00 -
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Quote:confirming this is bullshit.
Then you live in a happy/peaceful little corner of Highsec because I can 100% assure you that it happens all day long on a regular basis in MANY systems throughout Eve. A SKIFF isn't likely to be targeted by a ganker even without a tank fit, but a Hulk/Mack sure as hell are, and do get killed daily. There probably isn't a single day that has gone by in the past 3 months that at least 1 Hulk/Mack wasn't ganked in or within 2 jumps of my home system. If YOU are lucky enough not to have been ganked, grats to you, but it DOES happen and saying it doesn't is either naive or ignorant. Check out my post about some Drone lovin: Proposed Drone Improvement |
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Dave Stark
2932
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:38:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote:Quote:confirming this is bullshit. Then you live in a happy/peaceful little corner of Highsec because I can 100% assure you that it happens all day long on a regular basis in MANY systems throughout Eve. A SKIFF isn't likely to be targeted by a ganker even without a tank fit, but a Hulk/Mack sure as hell are, and do get killed daily. There probably isn't a single day that has gone by in the past 3 months that at least 1 Hulk/Mack wasn't ganked in or within 2 jumps of my home system. If YOU are lucky enough not to have been ganked, grats to you, but it DOES happen and saying it doesn't is either naive or ignorant.
yes, yes i do live in a happy/peaceful little corner of high sec. it's lovely.
i was more pointing out how easy it is to avoid, rather than it doesn't exist. i know it's merely a matter of time until my quiet corner of high sec is alive with the sound of exploding mackinaw. |
Dave Stark
2933
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:54:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:flying a mining barge > t2 mlus > t2 mining crystals. that's the order of things you're best off training for.
i would like to amend this;
flying a mining barge > t2 mlus > t2 ice harvesters > t2 mining crystals. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.04.29 01:46:00 -
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In EVE, it is always best to try things as early and as cheaply as possible. Don't let people tell you lowsec is off-limits. Listen to them when they tell you what will probably happen when you go there, and take their advice with a grain of salt.
P.S.: the Venture wasn't only made for newbies. It is also supposed to be the mining ship of choice for mining in unsafe areas. It can make a quick getaway. If you are paying attention, a pirate will be much less likely to successfully attack you. So get out there now and give it a shot! Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Govind
Parity Labs
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:32:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Don't let people tell you lowsec is off-limits. Listen to them when they tell you what will probably happen when you go there, and take their advice with a grain of salt.
It isn't that lowsec itself should be seen as off-limits, only that the increase in profits from mining lowsec ores is typically slim to non-existent compared to empire ores. |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:03:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:In EVE, it is always best to try things as early and as cheaply as possible. Don't let people tell you lowsec is off-limits. Listen to them when they tell you what will probably happen when you go there, and take their advice with a grain of salt.
P.S.: the Venture wasn't only made for newbies. It is also supposed to be the mining ship of choice for mining in unsafe areas. It can make a quick getaway. If you are paying attention, a pirate will be much less likely to successfully attack you. So get out there now and give it a shot!
except by mining in a venture you gimp yourself to the point of making unsafe areas just a stupid place to mine in because you end up with less isk/hour for no reason other than stupidity. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Choc talar
The Sp00n WHYS0 Expendable
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:36:00 -
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I have been mining now for . . . well lets just say a long time! If you like mining and want to take it serious than get into a barge ASAP and an Exumer as soon as you can after that. As far as exumers go if you are mining solo I would go with a Mackinaw since it has a larger ore hold than the Hulk. I will stress though that you need to tank your mining ship. Some may have never lost an Exumer, but many have and a tank will go a long way in helping you survive long enough to hopefully get warped out.
Advice: Always keep an eye on local and don't AFK mine. Paying attention to your surroundings will go a long way in keeping you alive longer.
Find a good indy corp to join. Industrial corps are great for dedicated miners as they will teach you and support you. They will also have Orca support and big mining ops usually with protection in system. Additionally, if you want to mine for better ore in Low and Null sec belonging to a good industrial corp will get you there. I have mined both low and Null and I enjoy it, but I always have protection there while we do our thing.
Work on skills: Train all shield skills (ie. shield compensation etc) to max level as they will aid your tankability. Train the individual shield compensations as well (ie Em compensation, Kinetic Compensation, etc.). If you work a second account train it for an Orca and the possibilities grow.
Both me and my Orca alt are trained in repair drones. If attacked we can both put drones on each other for reps while getting out of dodge. Seems complicated, but it is worth it. My corp actually fits our Orca's with a logistics fit and believe it or not in a mining op the Orca actually kept hulks alive (while we were getting out) vs 2 BS's. In the mean time our forces arrived and killed both attackers. I cannot stress enough however, find a corp or some friends to mine with. Its funner, better conversation, and haul is awesome. Welcome to the mining profession though, stick with it and you can and will make iskies. |
Lojak 2501
The Black Hole Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:43:00 -
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as new as u are and even doubly so as u are a miner, STAY OUT OF LO-SEC. u are doin nothing more than putting a target on ur back.
and im assuming u are solo mining (feel free to correct me there if otherwise) but but a retreiver (2nd best tank and largest ore bay) should suit u pretty well as its more solo miner oriented. the proquerer (best EHP and 2nd best ore bay) is a nice 2nd choice. covetor is more for mining fleets due to the small orebay and weak tank.
o/ and welcome to EVE |
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