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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:14:00 -
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While I haven't done a lot of null-sec operating (aside from a single scouting trip, actually), it seems to me that all null-sec is occupied by now, and that there simply isn't room for an individual mining corp anywhere. I may be wrong but all the good systems (good meaning access to ice and Arkonor) seem to be occupied by PVP-only corps/huge-scale alliances, for the sole purpose of preventing a small corp from ever making a living in null-sec. I know that the huge-scale alliances don't have people in all their systems at all times, but they still own all the good systems.
Is it really necessary to be in one of those huge-scale alliances that force all their people to do PVP, even if they don't want it, in order to do some mining in good null-sec systems? |
Serial Chi
DeathStar Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:17:00 -
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yes, 0.0 RMT would be a lot less lucrative if they didn't own all the good space. what those "pvp alliances" actually do is rent out the good space to smaller alliances & corps. they add it all into their RMT pool. smaller alliances and corps comming in, taking space & holding it cuts into their bottom line. |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:20:00 -
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Serial Chi wrote:yes, 0.0 RMT would be a lot less lucrative if they didn't own all the good space. what those "pvp alliances" actually do is rent out the good space to smaller alliances & corps. they add it all into their RMT pool. smaller alliances and corps comming in, taking space & holding it cuts into their bottom line.
And I'm pretty sure their primary reason for renting out space is to get ISK and then kill the miners that just want to mine some good ore, or is there actually an honorable 0.0-alliance somewhere? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
642
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:25:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:25:00 -
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No its not necessary - try NPC space. But you will get shot at by everybody.
The point of holding Null Sec is not to keep you out - its to make money. If you want to mine then join a rental alliance, pay your monthly rental and you can mine and rat as much as you want and never ever have to turn up for any alliance related PvP activities whatsoever. All you have to do is pay some ISK to the sov holder.
And FFS don't take a rental agreement from the first random dude in Goonwaffe who convo's you - he's going to take your ISK and keep then blow you up on the EC gate. Ask around other corps who have working agreements about who is worth renting from. Look through the recruitment forum and make a sensible choice. |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:28:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:Serial Chi wrote:yes, 0.0 RMT would be a lot less lucrative if they didn't own all the good space. what those "pvp alliances" actually do is rent out the good space to smaller alliances & corps. they add it all into their RMT pool. smaller alliances and corps comming in, taking space & holding it cuts into their bottom line. And I'm pretty sure their primary reason for renting out space is to get ISK and then kill the miners that just want to mine some good ore, or is there actually an honorable 0.0-alliance somewhere?
You need to get over that attitude. Eve is a harsh place that doesn't suffer fools, but we are not all complete f*cks.
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:36:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:Serial Chi wrote:yes, 0.0 RMT would be a lot less lucrative if they didn't own all the good space. what those "pvp alliances" actually do is rent out the good space to smaller alliances & corps. they add it all into their RMT pool. smaller alliances and corps comming in, taking space & holding it cuts into their bottom line. And I'm pretty sure their primary reason for renting out space is to get ISK and then kill the miners that just want to mine some good ore, or is there actually an honorable 0.0-alliance somewhere? You need to get over that attitude. Eve is a harsh place that doesn't suffer fools, but we are not all complete f*cks.
I never said anything about everyone being complete f*cks. I just don't trust that paying someone to rent their space is going to keep us safe. Then again, if we pay them, they have a stable income each month/week, and if they shoot us, we have no reason to keep paying, so I guess my initial statement wasn't that thought-out... Now we just need to find a 0.0-sovereignty alliance who is worth our ISK... |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:41:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:or is there actually an honorable 0.0-alliance somewhere?
TEST.
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:51:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:or is there actually an honorable 0.0-alliance somewhere? TEST.
NOPE.
Yes, you'd be surprised with how much money you can make on top of making your rent payment. A corp of about 20 people can make a lot of money with ratting and DED sites alone. It takes months to set up, get all your upgrades. So it helps if you choose a stable place. Problem is, people like TEST, Goons, DRF are on a war path to try to take over null.. (their steam is getting low...) Anyways, best bet would be to do your own research on who to rent from.
Check the sov map and pick a region.
In the end though, try to join a corp that has the ability to gain it's own space through diplomacy and CTA's. Its hard work but then again, EVE is hard and if you want to make EVE easy, this is the way to do it. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
110
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:52:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:or is there actually an honorable 0.0-alliance somewhere? TEST.
Test post, please ignore.
EDIT: I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
73
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:53:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Ogi Talvanen wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:or is there actually an honorable 0.0-alliance somewhere? TEST. NOPE. (TEST. alt detected)
Forum says that he is in Test. U daft or something?
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.18 13:55:00 -
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No, my settings had hide corp and alliance on for some reason.... (Surfing on phone posting on work computer) |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:01:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:
Problem is, people like TEST, Goons, DRF are on a war path to try to take over null.. (their steam is getting low...).
Our steam is just fine.
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:01:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:While I haven't done a lot of null-sec operating (aside from a single scouting trip, actually), it seems to me that all null-sec is occupied by now, and that there simply isn't room for an individual mining corp anywhere. I may be wrong but all the good systems (good meaning access to ice and Arkonor) seem to be occupied by PVP-only corps/huge-scale alliances, for the sole purpose of preventing a small corp from ever making a living in null-sec. I know that the huge-scale alliances don't have people in all their systems at all times, but they still own all the good systems.
Is it really necessary to be in one of those huge-scale alliances that force all their people to do PVP, even if they don't want it, in order to do some mining in good null-sec systems?
There is always NPC space, areas are not quite so good but if you get blue to the local pvp outfit there say by offering cheap ships/mods etc you will be left alone.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
74
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:16:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:While I haven't done a lot of null-sec operating (aside from a single scouting trip, actually), it seems to me that all null-sec is occupied by now, and that there simply isn't room for an individual mining corp anywhere. I may be wrong but all the good systems (good meaning access to ice and Arkonor) seem to be occupied by PVP-only corps/huge-scale alliances, for the sole purpose of preventing a small corp from ever making a living in null-sec. I know that the huge-scale alliances don't have people in all their systems at all times, but they still own all the good systems.
Is it really necessary to be in one of those huge-scale alliances that force all their people to do PVP, even if they don't want it, in order to do some mining in good null-sec systems?
no you have to pay those large pvp alliances RENT if you want to mine in their space |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
74
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:20:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:While I haven't done a lot of null-sec operating (aside from a single scouting trip, actually), it seems to me that all null-sec is occupied by now, and that there simply isn't room for an individual mining corp anywhere. I may be wrong but all the good systems (good meaning access to ice and Arkonor) seem to be occupied by PVP-only corps/huge-scale alliances, for the sole purpose of preventing a small corp from ever making a living in null-sec. I know that the huge-scale alliances don't have people in all their systems at all times, but they still own all the good systems.
Is it really necessary to be in one of those huge-scale alliances that force all their people to do PVP, even if they don't want it, in order to do some mining in good null-sec systems? no you have to pay those large pvp alliances RENT if you want to mine in their space
I really like the part where Sov holders rent constellations at "Botting Only" prices (TM).
& keep all the moons for themselves...
Great game mechanic.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
74
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:21:00 -
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Hey look a "We got ganked" double post. |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:28:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Hey look a "We got ganked" double post.
Who said anything about anyone getting ganked? I certainly didn't say anything about that, because we didn't. In fact, most of our lost ships have been due to mistakes solely on our behalf, and we don't blame others for that. So if you thought I am whining about getting ganked, think again. Just look on EVE-kill.net if you don't believe me. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
76
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:34:00 -
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Nullsec belongs to people who can either fight for the space, or pay for it. If you aren't willing to do either, others will either force you out or outbid you. |
Mixne
More Money More Problems
10
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:42:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:David Grogan wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:While I haven't done a lot of null-sec operating (aside from a single scouting trip, actually), it seems to me that all null-sec is occupied by now, and that there simply isn't room for an individual mining corp anywhere. I may be wrong but all the good systems (good meaning access to ice and Arkonor) seem to be occupied by PVP-only corps/huge-scale alliances, for the sole purpose of preventing a small corp from ever making a living in null-sec. I know that the huge-scale alliances don't have people in all their systems at all times, but they still own all the good systems.
Is it really necessary to be in one of those huge-scale alliances that force all their people to do PVP, even if they don't want it, in order to do some mining in good null-sec systems? no you have to pay those large pvp alliances RENT if you want to mine in their space I really like the part where Sov holders rent constellations at "Botting Only" prices (TM). & keep all the moons for themselves... Great game mechanic.
To be fair, those huge-scale alliances didn't just start the game like that. Individual players had to work to build a huge-scale alliance. Then they had to work to take space for the alliance. Anyone that joins EVE is free to do this, it's just going to take a bit of dedication and work. |
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