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Zungen	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:44:00 - [1] I have been hearing a lot about new additions to bs's as many have been requesting another bs in each racial category. Of course, most would like to have their uber blaster bs that has a mwd cap usage bonus or a caldari rail platform. To really find out how to balance a 3rd entry of a bs completely you must look at current stats for frigs and cruises. We can start off with the Amarr 3rd bs entry. The Amarr has the Arbitrator, has a bonus to drones control and bonus to energy turret as well as a missile slot. The Amarr has the Augoror with a bonus to hp and a bonus to medium energy turret cap usages. The Amarr also have the Maller and the Omen, both good energy efficent when coming to using only laser-based weapons A 3rd Amarr bs should be something more unique then a step up from its former 2 bs's and perhaps something made for fleet supports yet still can be used for fun and games. Lasers arent as efficent due to their bs's not having an unique enough bonus to sufficent it uses. That is where we introduce the Nastrogronnen Powergrid: 23500 MW CPU: 600 ft Low slots: 8 Mid slots: 3 Hi slots: 7 Turret hardpoints: 7 Shieldcapacity: 4375 Armor hp: 5200 Max velocity: 105m/s Drone capacity: 150 m3 Cargo capacity: 625m3 Recharge time for capacitor: 978.3 sec Capacitor capacity: 5400 The absense of mids and hislots would be balance for its pretaining bonuses. Special ability: 5% bonus to Large Energy weapons and 5% bonus to tracking speed ability. Now we can look at the caldari 3rd bs. Most have wanted caldari to use more rail guns but caldari does seem to be made for missiles. We can therefore introduce the Troxgon Powergrid output: 14500 MW Cpu output: 800 ft Launcher hardpoints: 6 Turret hardpoints: 2 Lowslots: 4 Medslots: 6 Hislots: 8 Shieldcapacity: 5400 Armorhp: 4450 Max veocity: 105m/s Drone capacity: 180 m3 Capacity: 685 m3 Recharge cap time: 953.3 sec Capacitor capacity: 4550 Energy Special ability: 5% bonus in Sig radius bonus on target per level and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. The mimitar in all its uniqueness has a vital flaw which I think a 3rd could further bonus depending on ship type. I introduce the Mexibrator Powergrid output: 17550 Mw CPU Output: 650ft Lowslots: 6 Medslots: 5 Hislots: 8 Launcher hardpoints: 2 Turret hardpoints: 7 Shield capacity: 4780 Armorhp: 4170 Max velocity: 130m/s Drone capacity: 185m3 Capacity: 685m3 Capacity recharge time: 953.3 sec Capacitor capacity: 4650 capacity Special ability: 5% bonus to Large Protectile Turret damage and 10% bonus to Optimal range per level. The gallente bs's in all their mighty should have a more unique bs fitted for the role of power and determination We can introduce the Helitoplasm Powergrid output: 17550 MW Lowslots: 8 Medslots: 3 Hislots: 8 Cpu output: 650 ft Launcher hardpoints: 2 Turret hardpoints: 7 Shield capacity: 4250 Armorhp: 5200 Max velocity: 125m/s Drone capacity: 300m3 Capacity: 705m3 Cap recharge time: 953.9 sec Capacitor capacity: 5000 capacity Special ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid damage and 10% reduction in Largr Hybrid Sig resolution per level. a bit sketchy but feedback is welcomed, especially from any official people :P
madaluap	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:54:00 - [2] Edited by: madaluap on 27/09/2005 21:55:17 Originally by: Zungen The gallente bs's in all their mighty should have a more unique bs fitted for the role of power and determination We can introduce the Helitoplasm Powergrid output: 17550 MW Lowslots: 8 Medslots: 3 Hislots: 8 Cpu output: 650 ft Launcher hardpoints: 2 Turret hardpoints: 7 Shield capacity: 4250 Armorhp: 5200 Max velocity: 125m/s Drone capacity: 300m3 Capacity: 705m3 Cap recharge time: 953.9 sec Capacitor capacity: 5000 capacity Special ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid damage and 10% reduction in Largr Hybrid Sig resolution per level. a bit sketchy but feedback is welcomed, especially from any official people :P its called a railthron..omfg its almost exactly a railthron only it cant hit because it guns cant track properly...WTF for bonus is that? a sig reduction /emote cries... give mega a mwd bonus and than you can make that ship, but change hybrid sig reduction to tracking. supersized mwd-thron, drone-carrier and longrange railer i wont hear any gallente complain ^^.
Sadist	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:55:00 - [3] Edited by: Sadist on 27/09/2005 21:55:09 Quote: 10% reduction in Largr Hybrid Sig resolution per level. overpowered, omgzors. I can't believe im saying it, but then this ship will become flavor of the month. --------------- VIP member of the [23] Sadist - harsh to the idiots, kind to the smart
madaluap	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:58:00 - [4] Edited by: madaluap on 27/09/2005 22:04:16 Edited by: madaluap on 27/09/2005 21:59:27 Originally by: Zungen Lasers arent as efficent due to their bs's not having an unique enough bonus to sufficent it uses. That is where we introduce the Nastrogronnen Powergrid: 23500 MW CPU: 600 ft Low slots: 8 Mid slots: 3 Hi slots: 7 Turret hardpoints: 7 Shieldcapacity: 4375 Armor hp: 5200 Max velocity: 105m/s Drone capacity: 150 m3 Cargo capacity: 625m3 Recharge time for capacitor: 978.3 sec Capacitor capacity: 5400 also I introduce the Mexibrator Powergrid output: 17550 Mw CPU Output: 650ft Lowslots: 6 Medslots: 5 Hislots: 8 Launcher hardpoints: 2 Turret hardpoints: 7 Shield capacity: 4780 Armorhp: 4170 Max velocity: 130m/s Drone capacity: 185m3 Capacity: 685m3 Capacity recharge time: 953.3 sec Capacitor capacity: 4650 capacity Special ability: 5% bonus to Large Protectile Turret damage and 10% bonus to Optimal range per level. gasps omg a armageddon with a +5% to damage and tracking and still 8 lows and 7 guns!! its its its its.. uberdps. you know that it can snipe from 300 k now with 7 guns? the only reason the typhoon has this bonus is because it only fits 4 guns.. you have added nothing to the game just weird bonusses, its not special. the ship are the same and will **** up other bs... caldari is just raven with other bonus and less low. ammar just gets geddon with tracking instead of capbonus making it dps like 1400 or 1600 if you look at the hits you get.. minmatar tempest will be crap. please dont mention typhoon this ship will pwn all of them. well mega railthron will be crap and mwd mega doesnt exist.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:02:00 - [5] For one thing we already have a 7 page thread on this, and for another your Amarr design at least looks pretty boring :P
Zungen	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:02:00 - [6] didnt say it was the best ideas ever lol :P im sure for making the current bs's they didnt pick stats and stick with it they probably went over countless months trying to balance them out :P
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:05:00 - [7] there is already a 6 (at the time of posting i think) page thread about this. i have a horrible feeling this will turn into another -- This Zig. For great justice!
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:09:00 - [8] Your Amarr ship is crap, geddon can gank better, Apoc can tank better and deal more damage. Your Caldari ship: What role would it fit? And why so much dronebay? Your Minmatarship is a Tempest with a bit less dmg but insane range and very good grid and it can fit a good shieldtank too. You know it would be overpowered. Overpowered sniperthron anyone? I don't think tier 3 BS should look like that.
Zungen	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Bruchpilot Your Amarr ship is crap, geddon can gank better, Apoc can tank better and deal more damage. Your Caldari ship: What role would it fit? And why so much dronebay? Your Minmatarship is a Tempest with a bit less dmg but insane range and very good grid and it can fit a good shieldtank too. You know it would be overpowered. Overpowered sniperthron anyone? I don't think tier 3 BS should look like that. thats why its an idea...suggestions for improvement from users output is only way you going to improve something...instead of directly criticizing and not saying what could improve it or what role a tier 3 should poessessed :P
Gierling	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:22:00 - [10] These are overpowered, although you could make the gallente one reasonable by getting rid of the damage bonus and adding an 8th turret. Replace the damage bonus with a tracking or optimal bonus and you'd have a good long range ship. (It would still do worse damage then the thron at range, it would just hit more consistantly with better ammo). Bastards we are lest Bastards we become.
Zungen	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:22:00 - [11] probably would have been better in post in currentl tier 3 bs thread but had a different idea to throw along and wasnt sure if it pretain to current existing thread
Fuze Rogue	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:29:00 - [12] Why not? =) Ijust pray to god those are placeholder names. helicopterplasm and mexicotrusader whatsits hurt my eyes... why not just gallente=icarus, caldari=falcon/blackwidow, ammarr= inquisition or minmatar= thunderstorm or something?
babylonstew	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:31:00 - [13] well, i wouldnt accept that excuse for a caldari bs as a gift, i mean it. Caldari WANT A DAMN RAIL BOAT!!!, find 6 caldari pilots that say yay, another missile bs would be fun ffs sorry, wasnt trying to flame but for gods sakes, missiles!!!!1 Quoted From MouseOnMars Especially the Machariel, which can cast level 1 sh*t your pants upon appearing on the battlefield
Zungen	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:31:00 - [14] hehe couldnt think of any decent names :P
mavskji	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:48:00 - [15] ROFLMAO

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