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Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.04.29 02:25:00 -
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My understanding from the original PF was that the EVE wormhole was found, humans built giant stargates at either end, the WH collapsed as it was expected to, leaving the gates at either end to keep up the traffic. But then for reasons unknown the giant stargate in the New Eden system *blew up* all splody like, and that was the disaster.
But we are shown something a bit different in the latest trailer (which overall IS awesome btw).
Is this a retcon? Or just a simplification for dramatic purposes? |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.04.29 03:58:00 -
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The voice over in the trailer said that the Eve gate blew up and it showed the wormhole collapsing.
The debris that is shown after the wormhole collapse could the be remains of the Eve Gate but its hard to tell. Set Lasers for Fun!!! |
Marcus Gord
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.29 11:16:00 -
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As I remember it, the giant gates themselves imploded due to instability with the wormhole. The massive dangerous storms around the eve gate itself is due to the wormhole still being there, but highly unstable, with the storm possibly even coming through from the other side.
The storms and instability would rip a ship apart if it tried to get too close. You can't take the sky from me |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:24:00 -
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The official lore is that the EVE Gate was built to hold the wormhole open past the end of its natural lifespan and due to *stuff* the wormhole collapsed catastrophically and took the EVE Gate with it. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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Marcus Gord
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:32:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:The official lore is that the EVE Gate was built to hold the wormhole open past the end of its natural lifespan and due to *stuff* the wormhole collapsed catastrophically and took the EVE Gate with it.
Is that the scientific term for it? 'Due to *stuff*' ?
Also, what's that light in the eve gate system? Am I right in my memory that the wormhole is still kind of there? You can't take the sky from me |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:45:00 -
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source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Interstellar_travelling#Where_Do_We_Come_From.3F
Where Do We Come From? wrote:The New Eden system is an enigma that is still very much a mystery to us. The system itself is not that impressiveGÇöjust some space debris and a few asteroid belts orbiting a pale white dwarf. But at the outskirts of the system is a phenomenon that has puzzled us for centuries. At the center of this phenomenon lies a huge structure, obviously built by some advanced civilization eons ago. The structure looks very much like a jump gate, except it is many times bigger than any space structure of ours. The gate is fairly plain all around, but there are markings here and there, in some ancient language that has not been fully decrypted. At the top, the largest of these markings is a three-letter word that says 'EVE'. There isn't full agreement among scholars about the meaning of this word, but most people regard it to be simply the name of the gate.
Sounds like the gate wasn't totally destroyed to me, otherwise the game wouldn't have a name.
Also...
source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_Gate
Eve Gate Lore Article wrote:Although located three light-years from New Eden's star, the gate can be seen as a bright 'blob' in the sky. So, since the Eve Gate is 3 lightyears away from New Eden, the planet immediately visible on the other side of the gate is a little.... "off" (what's it orbiting?), unless the wormhole has drifted quite a bit or it orbits another star 3 light-years out from New Eden.
You'll also note in the video a new (i.e. old) type of jump gate in operation above a planet, a Terran gate design perhaps? It seems unlikely this is the Eve Gate given that the video shows a wide shot of the blast wave from the gate collapse and there's no planet to be seen. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:58:00 -
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That is not written by CCP.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.29 14:21:00 -
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Faulx wrote:Also... source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE_GateEve Gate Lore Article wrote:Although located three light-years from New Eden's star, the gate can be seen as a bright 'blob' in the sky. So, since the Eve Gate is 3 lightyears away from New Eden, the planet immediately visible on the other side of the gate is a little.... "off" (what's it orbiting?), unless the wormhole has drifted quite a bit or it orbits another star 3 light-years out from New Eden This part can be kind of be explained with star drift (every star out there is not stationary, but rather moves at its own pace relative to everything else around it). Even the EVE gate itself could be subject to this. The real question would be if both the star and the EVE gate could feasibly put 3 light years between each other in a mere 20,000 years or so (the time between the EVE gate collapse and now). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Enya Sparhawk
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.29 22:33:00 -
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Stupid *stuff*, You always know how to ruin a good time don't you? F+¡orghr+í: Gr+í na f+¡rinne D+¬an g+íire...Tiocfaidh +ír l+í |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:28:00 -
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So, do I understand correctly that with the wormhole at 3ly from New Eden, no evacuations happened in the 3 year head start the colonists had? The chap on the planet appeared to be surprised to see the apocalypse.
Did the explosion somehow go ftl? Or did the writers forget about this?
Also the Gate is still there so the explosion can't have been that significant.
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Naomi Hale
Children of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.04.30 06:32:00 -
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I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.
Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.
And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?
I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone? |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:27:00 -
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Yes I have to admit that I was a little dissapointed it didn't make an appearance in the trailer. though I'm thrilled we at least get to see some Terran ships and structures. Makes me wonder if we might find ruined Terran gates in exploration sites as well aside from the broken ships.
Of course considering how they omitted the Jove as the fifth empire in the trailer and I imagine it may have been to keep things as simple and as short for convenience. The gate also collapses into nothing, while we know there is still a significant disturbance visible. In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Naomi Hale
Children of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:55:00 -
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If it's really gone then someone better tell the Sisters...
Sisters of Eve
I'd hate to be the one to tell them the thing they worship has been gone for about 20,000 years. That's the kind of thing you check before starting a religion. |
Caroline Grace
Almost Approved
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:04:00 -
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Naomi Hale wrote:I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.
Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.
And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?
I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone?
EVE Gate artwork
Not an official artwork, but still cool. Gives some kind of visualisation and thanks to the Titan there also some sense of scale. |
LockOnStratus
Frankenmouse Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:51:00 -
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Someone really should have carried out a better risk assessment in regards to the gate collapsing, they didn't seem to have a very good plan B. |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:26:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:Naomi Hale wrote:I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.
Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.
And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?
I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone? EVE Gate artworkNot an official artwork, but still cool. Gives some kind of visualisation and thanks to the Titan there also some sense of scale.
Hey, that one looks familiar. :P
And I guess we were just overconfident in thinking it either wouldn't collapse or we'd find a different way of getting once it did, otherwise it really seems silly for us to have started colonies on worlds that weren't really fit to support live and such. I'm rather surprised there was so very little effort done in getting nearly self-sustaining colonies up and running right from the start. But then that might have been a way for the powers of those days to keep control of the newly colonised planets. In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:39:00 -
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Naomi Hale wrote:I always got the impression from the Novels (by the wonderful Tony Gonzales) that the 'Significance' (Marcus' yet unseen capital R&D Amarr ship) was cloaked at Point Genesis in Empyrean Age to protect Marcus from Sarum reading his thoughts.
Then Grious moved it away to the New Eden system in Templar One to send his message.
And wasn't there a line at the end of the Empyrean Age about "The Eve Gate was Angry." If the wormhole is closed and took the structure with it what was Grious referring to?
I always hoped to one day see the Eve gate, the single biggest human made structure in the history of the universe, but it's gone?
The Eve gate has been destroyed, but the ruins are still there....
Though, also the wormhole itself could be referred to as "The EVE Gate" One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Untanas Volmyr
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:06:00 -
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Well if the eve gate was meant to sustain the wormhole past its lifespan. Was its failure do to a lack of understanding how you would successfully sustain a wormhole. Or. Was it sabotaged? |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.05.02 21:00:00 -
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Untanas Volmyr wrote:Well if the eve gate was meant to sustain the wormhole past its lifespan. Was its failure do to a lack of understanding how you would successfully sustain a wormhole. Or. Was it sabotaged?
Well in the story as it was, the EVE and ADAM (Earth side) Gates were in operation for a few decades apparently before things went kaput, so sabotage certainly isn't something I'd rule out. On the other hand the EVE wormhole doesn't seem to be your typical run of the mill wormhole so who knows, maybe there were some things about the whole thing we didn't know or expect.
Personally my money has always been on either it having been a malicious act, or that the EVE wormhole was cyclical in nature. It emerges, stays opens, collapses, takes time to rebuild itself, opens up, etc. And when we plonked two massive gates at that exact spot and kept an artificial connection open, the next cycle overcharged/overloaded those gates resulting in the massive gravimetric and electromagnetic storm that has crippled and marred spacetime there forever. The EVE gate and it's counterpart were essentially insanely oversized stargates with a lot of more power behind them to bridge that distance.
In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Sitarta Radeih
Primera Milonga
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:40:00 -
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I remember a GM statement in the forum, that the EVE Gate collapse, reacting with the jump gate network in new Eden, sending a shockwave along the network destroying the gates connected. |
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Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:26:00 -
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I would also like clarification from CCP if the gate still exists as a partially ruined massive stargate that the Sisters of EVE are supposedly studying or has it really been retconned to just mean the wormhole? The little information there is about it seems to contradict itself everywhere I look from forum posts to this timeline to chronicles, to different pages of Evelopedia. |
chaosjj
State Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:34:00 -
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Sitarta Radeih wrote:I remember a GM statement in the forum, that the EVE Gate collapse, reacting with the jump gate network in new Eden, sending a shockwave along the network destroying the gates connected.
Probably some but not all of them, as it is known that the Minmatar used terran stargates earlier in their development in the time prior to the Amarr invasion. i wonder what happened to those gates. |
Keitunen Eto
Uchusen Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:52:00 -
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If I recall researching the Lore once upon a time. The sisters are the few who can make it too the gate itself, and effectively study the gate. They believe it is the gateway to heaven. My point is from what I read on the Evelopedia is that storms pumped out and covered the area around the gate causing the gate to shut down. Not that it went klaboom. |
Axel Kurki
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:00:00 -
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(I haven't read Templar One, and I don't remember the other books very well, either.)
I am not quite sure how much we know about the gate and human origins beyond knowing that our genetics show that we are the same speciel (contrary to, say, indigenous life on the planets) pointing towards a common origin, and that all ancient stargates found this far point towards New Eden system, which houses remains of ancient relics and a powerful spatial anomaly known as EVE. This suggests that the ancients did expand radially from New Eden. The "gate" itself has been studied afar, because getting close to it is deadly and also disturbs electronic equipment.
It is possibly suggested in the Empyrean Age that there are ancient Terran artifacts in New Eden, some of which are cloaked or otherwise hidden by Jove caretakers. "Point Genesis" may also be still an active wormhole, though whether it is traversable (without ending messed up) is slightly questionable. The levels of radiation near by would probably be a problem even if it is technically usable. (This is all unknown to player characters, though.) Templar One may shed some light on this; I don't know. |
Mirima Thurander
Dark Order. Self Sabatoge
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Posted - 2013.05.06 16:35:00 -
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you have scared the dev away with all your LOGIC.
but i to like the story around the eve gate. All automated intel should be removed from the game including jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel. |
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