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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.09.29 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 29/09/2005 14:52:59
Hello CCP,
I think this is the best forum to post on since what I'm about to feed back to you is all about what happened after the Cold-War patch.
I enjoyed playing the role of pirate for sometime but now after a few months of raging, pilliging and killing the innocent and defenceless etc etc etc ... me and my friends in game have decided to take a different approach, I can't say more then that for now.
"Ok great for you woohoo, what do you want !?"
Well i want to bring under your attention that in my oppinion getting your security status back up to normal takes to long... I have been belt ratting in deep 0.0 for 24 days now, averaging from 3 - 5 hours a day with an alt to scout for me so that I shoot rats non stop, all my efforts have brought me from -10 to -5.7 security status.
Now my questions/remarks to CCP are:
1.) did you really intend it to take this much time, as the security increase you get for shooting a certain rat is a percentage it will also go slower the more you approach a neutral 0.0 security status. At my fairly large ammount of gametime i think it wil take me another 2 months to get it to 0.0 although -1.9 would be enough.
2.) do you realize that people who are trying to change their role in this game aren't having fun at all, by this useless grinding of rats, i mean some effort may be expected as this is "EVE's nature", but really its to much. On teamspeak we are starting to whine about whining and anti-depressive subscriptions are once more faxed to the pharmacy. Isn't a game to suppost to be fun, its becoming more like a job everyday with all this grinding and there is no light(beer) on the end of this depressing tunnel.
In conclusion I really hope you will reconsider the way raising your security status works, and that it can be done in a more reasonable way, and that hunting NPC's in 0.0 actually work again, although I agree the 0.4 increase for killing a 750.000 ISK NPC was to much, but I would be lying if I would say i wish it had not stayed.
The scale has been tipped from one extreme to another.
facts:
~complexes~
they give a reasonable raise in security, what if they are taken, what if someone doesn't like them (like me)
~do the crime, do the time~
agreed, but it takes an unreasonable ammount of time post Cold-War patch.
best regards,
Loeder (Lo3d3R)
 
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.09.29 15:15:00 -
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CCP please provide a new forum for people to moan about their sec stat being low and  .
Sorry not getting at you in particular but every day now you seem to get at least 1 post here about sec stat or how 750k BS have been nerfed.
As most people say either adapt or quit, i use to have a -1.4 sec status but doing one lvl 4 vengenace mission bought my sec stat up by 0.3, i know not everyone has access to lvl 4's but come on.
I take it "different approach" means empire war ganking
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Enigmatic Magic
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Posted - 2005.09.29 15:17:00 -
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Are you waiting 15 mins between each BS kill? (you only get one rats worth of sec increase every 15 mins).
Have you tried lvl4s? (the old 750k rats, now 400k, give 0.8% in lvl4s. I went from -2.2 to -1.8 in one Vengeance mission)
Have you simply thought of just being what you are, a pirate, and not giving a toss about your sec status?
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.09.29 15:29:00 -
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How about they put 750kers back to a 0.4% increase but allow your security status to go down to -15 or -20 might be an idea?
If you make some mistakes least you can get your sec up alittle quicker.
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Mardonius
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Posted - 2005.09.29 15:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Enigmatic Magic
Have you simply thought of just being what you are, a pirate, and not giving a toss about your sec status?
Originally by: Lo3d3r
I enjoyed playing the role of pirate for sometime but now after a few months of raging, pilliging and killing the innocent and defenceless etc etc etc ... me and my friends in game have decided to take a different approach, I can't say more then that for now.
Have you tried reading his post?
Originally by: Enigmatic Magic
Have you tried lvl4s? (the old 750k rats, now 400k, give 0.8% in lvl4s. I went from -2.2 to -1.8 in one Vengeance mission)
Most pirates don't use agents. Also, the risk of using agents when you are an outlaw is significant. Much safer and reliable just to gank NPCs in some remote corner of 0.0 |
Dehok
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Posted - 2005.09.29 16:08:00 -
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Aye someone should take a look from ccp,mebbe they have and mebbe they just dont care 
As for the comments you do the crime you do the time in all the other posts ive seen, 1 word....... Arse.
im down to -5.6 from -10 in about a little over 3 weeks  seems like a lot longer tbh, tis so so dull though.
Btw. WTS Estamel and dread loot
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.09.29 16:27:00 -
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What i think is bull**** is that you NEED TO OWN A BATTLESHIP TO INCREASE YOUR SEC! i have a battleship but i hate takeing it to 0.0 and i hate all around flying in it (ill take my prophecy thanks)
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.09.29 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 29/09/2005 17:19:56
If some of you would have bothered reading the whole post, and have half a brain, you can make up that this is not another nerf whine but that its simply to much grinding in 0.0 belts then it was pre-patch, the scale tipped a bit to far thats all I am saying.
I think 24 days of grinding NPC's in deep 0.0 with an average of 2 - 5 hours a day should be enough to raise ones security status, regardless of other options such as missions, complexes etc, and as it seems we are looking at 50 to 70 days to get it to 0.0, now thats just insane in my oppinion.
A random customer who probaly has allot less gametime then me, because I happen to be in the fortunate position to play allot, would probaly give up and keep pirating, meaning that you cannot change your role in the game within a reasonable ammount of playing, or quit the game as some of you would really like to see, that would be great for EVE wouldn't it  .
Loeder.
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hamishoo7
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Posted - 2005.09.29 17:37:00 -
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First post on here so don't totally ridicule me. What about some sort of payment system to increase your security status?
Would have to be a fair whack of dosh, maybe 10/20 million isk per 0.1 security status - would at least give another option to increase your status and to keep in sorta role playing theme be a fine that you have to pay to concord?
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2005.09.29 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lo3d3R
2.) do you realize that people who are trying to change their role in this game aren't having fun at all, by this useless grinding of rats, i mean some effort may be expected as this is "EVE's nature", but really its to much. On teamspeak we are starting to whine about whining and anti-depressive subscriptions are once more faxed to the pharmacy. Isn't a game to suppost to be fun, its becoming more like a job everyday with all this grinding and there is no light(beer) on the end of this depressing tunnel.
I'm still rather new to the game (just a few months) but I find this rather ironic.
You are aware that some people probably didn't find it fun when you were loosing you sec. status (= killing them)?
Now I think it is valid to do this and the risk adds to the game. But it isn't always fun for them, depending on the attitude of victim.
Anyway, as a pirate you may have destroyed more the 24 days worth of fun for some people. (and may of course also have added to people fun by making things more interresting)
So while I think pirating is good and valid, once you have gone deeply down that path you should have a really hard time getting back. I see that as pretty fair, a lot fairer and more fun then if you couldn't get your sec status up at all once you got it below a certain point. (= you crimes are so bad, they'll never trust you/let you back into empire).
Not being in the position myself my opinion doesn't have the depth of yours, but it does seem to me that the price for "rehabilitation" is probably not too far off from balanced.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.09.29 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: alphawolf2929
What i think is bull**** is that you NEED TO OWN A BATTLESHIP TO INCREASE YOUR SEC! i have a battleship but i hate takeing it to 0.0 and i hate all around flying in it (ill take my prophecy thanks)
this is a very important point. not everyone is a BS pilot or even likes flying them.
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.09.30 10:15:00 -
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I also red on the forums that the time you get a sec raise has been shortend, after examining the sec rais tab on charactar sheet, my conclusion is that all-in-all it evens out exactly the same as pre-patch, how about removing this timer... that would be reasonable ! ftw
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 30/09/2005 12:02:04
If this game is close to reality in some fields, what is the problem with this security issue?.
IT TAKE TIME, and personaly it should take even longer.
If you want to change style of your game in few weeks...go create yourself new account and become peacefull carebear or something.
Couse you do something and it will influance you and your surrounding....like in real life.
I dont want ppl to become like my little brother...start game then after 10 minutes he start another one, then all over again with next one...Jesus.
Basicly...Stop asking CCP to adapt game to style you want to play....you adapt to game
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Alloy5
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Posted - 2005.09.30 12:33:00 -
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The nice pilots get set to a max level of +5.0 sec rating I think. So why do pirates get punished right down to -10. Why not make it fair for both side of the game and have an equal number which ever road you take.
Max negative would be -5.0
Max Postitive would be +5.0
Just and idea.
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HighPoint
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alloy5
The nice pilots get set to a max level of +5.0 sec rating I think. So why do pirates get punished right down to -10. Why not make it fair for both side of the game and have an equal number which ever road you take.
Max negative would be -5.0
Max Postitive would be +5.0
Just and idea.
The "badass" pilots get set to a max level of -10. sec rating I think. So why do not the nice guys get it right up to +10.0. Why not make it fair for both side of the game and have an equal number which ever road you take.
Max negative would be -10.0
Max Postitive would be +10.0
Just and idea
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Skywalker
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:11:00 -
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Lo3d3R, come back to the darkside
Well basically i agree with you on this topic.
We have a few old MAFIA members that want to get rehabed and get lawful again, so i hope CCP will sort this out for my friends out there...
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.09.30 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Skywalker
Lo3d3R, come back to the darkside
i dream about it every night
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Dehok
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Posted - 2005.09.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Skywalker
Lo3d3R, come back to the darkside
Well basically i agree with you on this topic.
We have a few old MAFIA members that want to get rehabed and get lawful again, so i hope CCP will sort this out for my friends out there...
Oh what fun we had
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2005.09.30 14:52:00 -
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I too have been working on my sec stat, im currently -4.6 from -6... yes that's crap for 4weeks worth, but i cant afford to buy a bs after losing it, i also do not want to stay in 0.0 for such a long time. and finally, i cannot spend much more that a few hours a night on eve.
The sec increase has made the game boring, and no fun what so ever.
CCP have screwed up, and to everyone saying "do the crime, do the time" i say:
It's a bloody game, I pay for it, I want to have fun, and i'm not.
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*snip*
Sig exceeds maximum file size.
Amg! second time that my sig has been killed!! I cant do anything right!
New sig pending
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DadyCool
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Posted - 2005.09.30 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: DadyCool on 30/09/2005 15:23:32
Originally by: Shinnen
I too have been working on my sec stat, im currently -4.6 from -6... yes that's crap for 4weeks worth, but i cant afford to buy a bs after losing it, i also do not want to stay in 0.0 for such a long time. and finally, i cannot spend much more that a few hours a night on eve.
The sec increase has made the game boring, and no fun what so ever.
CCP have screwed up, and to everyone saying "do the crime, do the time" i say:
It's a bloody game, I pay for it, I want to have fun, and i'm not.
In bet those noobs and hauling industrial players who wanted to have fun without getting "dragged" into your gateganking killingspree wanted to have "fun" too ! BUt wait....,they didnt have fun
Yuo came to blow the crap out of them 150 km or whatever away from the gate and now you crying about the sec lol.
Everyday i see theese "omg my sec sucks threads" Jeez man ....
You choosed your way to play and no one else....,live with it or go play "the sims".....
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Mactire
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Posted - 2005.09.30 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: DadyCool
I bet those noobs and hauling industrial players who wanted to have fun without getting "dragged" into your gateganking killingspree wanted to have "fun" too ! BUt wait....,they didnt have fun
Not everyone gets negative security from killing noobs. Hunting pirates in empire does it as well.
The problem I have with neg sec, is that it excludes a whole set of the player base from higher security. What benifit does that give? Leave the neg sec but allow those with neg sec back into empire.
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DadyCool
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Posted - 2005.09.30 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mactire
Originally by: DadyCool
I bet those noobs and hauling industrial players who wanted to have fun without getting "dragged" into your gateganking killingspree wanted to have "fun" too ! BUt wait....,they didnt have fun
Not everyone gets negative security from killing noobs. Hunting pirates in empire does it as well.
The problem I have with neg sec, is that it excludes a whole set of the player base from higher security. What benifit does that give? Leave the neg sec but allow those with neg sec back into empire.
OK ...,your right ...
i didnt noticed the other side like the ones of the pirate hunters ..
But there are other ways to hunt them without loosing your sec...
Its hard but its possible....
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.10.02 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
I too have been working on my sec stat, im currently -4.6 from -6... yes that's crap for 4weeks worth, but i cant afford to buy a bs after losing it, i also do not want to stay in 0.0 for such a long time. and finally, i cannot spend much more that a few hours a night on eve.
The sec increase has made the game boring, and no fun what so ever.
CCP have screwed up, and to everyone saying "do the crime, do the time" i say:
It's a bloody game, I pay for it, I want to have fun, and i'm not.
well you're having fun it just takes to bloody long to get your sec back...
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dailyhazard
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Posted - 2005.10.02 14:19:00 -
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i did -8.8 to -1.9 in 4 days :/ its not that hard really, just boring as hell. The current system is quite bad though, you really have ***** it otherwise you get nowhere quickly.
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2005.10.02 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Shinnen on 02/10/2005 15:31:48
Originally by: dailyhazard
i did -8.8 to -1.9 in 4 days :/ its not that hard really, just boring as hell. The current system is quite bad though, you really have ***** it otherwise you get nowhere quickly.
That's cos ur an eve ***** daily :P some people cant play all day every day
Still love u though <3
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well you're having fun it just takes to bloody long to get your sec back..
Not rly, i mean, it's ok i guess but it's boring cos i want more cruisers and bs, but then i run risk of entering a system of pirates.
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