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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5121
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:48:00 -
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Something to listen to while mining: http://www.startalkradio.net/show/eureka-asteroid-mining/ There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
522
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:45:00 -
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Why is everyone on the internet sucking Neil deGrasse Tyson's ****?
Yes I know that wasn't very lady like to ask but I need to know. My own theory is that it's because he's so popular with the Antitheism crowd. We miss you Saede. |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
546
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:22:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Why is everyone on the internet sucking Neil deGrasse Tyson's ****?
Yes I know that wasn't very lady like to ask but I need to know. My own theory is that it's because he's so popular with the Antitheism crowd.
He is like Obama for science. A new young black guy taking on an historically white profession.
he is the new, now in black flavor, Bill Nye |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3165
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:43:00 -
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Well hes not big outside of America, only heard of the guy through accident really, he's not that big in the technical literature, just in the pop science angle.
Metal Icarus wrote:
He is like Obama for science. A new young black guy taking on an historically white profession.
Wait what? I think the Arabs want a word with who is new to the table with astronomy.
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Eurydia Vespasian
nova insula mining and industrial
2379
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Posted - 2013.04.29 22:39:00 -
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i think people like him because he makes a lot of sense and many tend to agree with his point of view. i first saw him on a history channel show called "the universe" idk...3 or 4 years ago. then he's been on jon stewart's daily show a few times. he's climbed his way up from obscurity.
i share a lot of viewpoints he has. he is a reasonable voice in what is becoming an increasingly unreasonable time imo. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1160
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Posted - 2013.04.30 05:43:00 -
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he is one of my favorite scientist.speakers , because he has the gift to turn what is otherwise complex material into words most of is can understand and with a sense of humour and 'panache' I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5264
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Posted - 2013.04.30 14:04:00 -
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He is popular because he is one of those few astrophysicists who is actually personable and not locked away in a university doing nothing but thinking.
Haven't had one as eloquent since we lost Carl Sagan.
He is also the Director of the Hayden Planetarium in NYC.
Edit: and in this day and age of teaching that humans walked with the dinosaurs, we need this guy. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
524
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Posted - 2013.04.30 19:33:00 -
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The sense he speaks is the obvious kinds. Attacking fundamentalists is not a feat. Just a cheap and easy target to score points with the Antitheists. We miss you Saede. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1163
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:27:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:The sense he speaks is the obvious kinds. Attacking fundamentalists is not a feat. Just a cheap and easy target to score points with the Antitheists.
this isn't about the different opinions and worldviews between fundamentalist and atheists , it is about and i m quoting another great scientist here
If God gave us the gift of thought and reasoning why shouldn't we be allowed to use that gift (or atleast somethiong along those lines i need to google it but i do that later) gallileo I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
525
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Posted - 2013.05.01 15:42:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:The sense he speaks is the obvious kinds. Attacking fundamentalists is not a feat. Just a cheap and easy target to score points with the Antitheists. this isn't about the different opinions and worldviews between fundamentalist and atheists , it is about and i m quoting another great scientist here If God gave us the gift of thought and reasoning why shouldn't we be allowed to use that gift (or atleast somethiong along those lines i need to google it but i do that later) gallileo
Moot point. Only the insecure need motivation to not believe in something. The reason of us needs reasons to believe.
It's laughable how much effort educated people put into finding reasons to not believe.
And the quote in your signature is actually Evelyn Beatrice Hall, not Voltaire We miss you Saede. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5579
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:01:00 -
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Oh, God.
You are sad.
Another person who can't understand that math and science are different from religion.
Even my Baptist Preacher of a grandfather kept the 2 separate in his head.
Science and Religion absolutely cannot speak to each other at all.
Any attempt to do so, or to justify one with the other, is nothing but mystagoguery. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5579
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:03:00 -
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..........and leads to idiocy like dragging religion into a thread about ASTEROID MINING.
-áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
525
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:35:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Oh, God.
You are sad.
Another person who can't understand that math and science are different from religion.
Even my Baptist Preacher of a grandfather kept the 2 separate in his head.
Science and Religion absolutely cannot speak to each other at all.
Any attempt to do so, or to justify one with the other, is nothing but mystagoguery.
What's your point?
We miss you Saede. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3291
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:43:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:What's your point?
His point is that you appear to have fundamentally missed the point.
Its weird watching these discussions sometimes...
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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
92
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:48:00 -
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I don't think anyone will compare to Brian Cox, for me. His humour when he is on shows like Q.I alone steal the piece of my heart reserved for star-talkery. His willingness to give "Astrologers" the put-down they so desperately deserve in spite of the balance that he is imposed to take in debates makes me very happy.
Also, stolen from Dara O'Briain, and slightly paraphrased, Astronomy = Nom = Nom nom nom Brian Cox is delicious. Astrology. = Log = A unit of *****. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:49:00 -
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The very title mentions Neil deGrasse Tyson and so he has been addressed. Everything is in order. We miss you Saede. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1165
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:00:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:pussnheels wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:The sense he speaks is the obvious kinds. Attacking fundamentalists is not a feat. Just a cheap and easy target to score points with the Antitheists. this isn't about the different opinions and worldviews between fundamentalist and atheists , it is about and i m quoting another great scientist here If God gave us the gift of thought and reasoning why shouldn't we be allowed to use that gift (or atleast somethiong along those lines i need to google it but i do that later) gallileo Moot point. Only the insecure need motivation to not believe in something. The reason of us needs reasons to believe. It's laughable how much effort educated people put into finding reasons to not believe. And the quote in your signature is actually Evelyn Beatrice Hall, not Voltaire
GÇ£I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.GÇ¥ GÇò Galileo Galilei, Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina
actually it is gallileo here is the exact quote if you want i can even give you the latin version
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
468
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:01:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:It's laughable how much effort educated people put into finding reasons to not believe. Believe what?
I believe there are purple unicorns flying between the Bermuda Portal and Russel's Teapot. In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous for you all to fight my beliefs. Saying I'm crazy is an act of aggression against by beliefs. If you do not believe with me then you are just grabbing at any way you can to find the slightest fault with my very solid and sound beliefs. Also, my arrogance, ignorance, and inability to listen to alternate viewpoints without becoming enraged are further examples of why I know what I'm talking about and anyone who disagrees with me is a blathering idiot. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:11:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:It's laughable how much effort educated people put into finding reasons to not believe. Believe what? I believe there are purple unicorns flying between the Bermuda Portal and Russel's Teapot. In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous for you all to fight my beliefs. Saying I'm crazy is an act of aggression against by beliefs. If you do not believe with me then you are just grabbing at any way you can to find the slightest fault with my very solid and sound beliefs. Also, my arrogance, ignorance, and inability to listen to alternate viewpoints without becoming enraged are further examples of why I know what I'm talking about and anyone who disagrees with me is a blathering idiot.
Each to their own.
We miss you Saede. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
469
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:24:00 -
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My dad would have loved Neil DeGrasse Tyson. He loved astronomy and space exploration almost as much as I did, maybe more way back before I knew him. He would always come home with space exploration magazines, and together we would go over the most exciting updates of the space program. Tyson is like Carl Sagan in that he has a way with words that, when combined with his experience as an astrophysicist, points out the beauty and majesty of space exploration.
I grew up not knowing that anyone had ever considered space exploration to be tied with atheism or antitheism. My dad was strongly Christian and he studied that religion almost as much as he studied space. I was brought up as a Christian, and I never saw any cognitive dissonance between believing in God and exploring space. In fact, if anything, it seems more confirmation of His wonder than anything else. Perhaps one of the biggest things that pulled me away from religion in my early years was the realization that people at my church wanted me to stop exploring. So maybe I left Christianity not because I felt it was incorrect, but because I felt it had bad ethical teachings. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3326
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:29:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:It's laughable how much effort educated people put into finding reasons to not believe. Believe what? I believe there are purple unicorns flying between the Bermuda Portal and Russel's Teapot. In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous for you all to fight my beliefs. Saying I'm crazy is an act of aggression against by beliefs. If you do not believe with me then you are just grabbing at any way you can to find the slightest fault with my very solid and sound beliefs. Also, my arrogance, ignorance, and inability to listen to alternate viewpoints without becoming enraged are further examples of why I know what I'm talking about and anyone who disagrees with me is a blathering idiot. Each to their own. In Europe you would in some rare, though becoming more common explain the concept of a God in the first place. Theists are becoming more likely to have to justify why do not believe in repeatable observations and statistics more than a centuries old book.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:36:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:It's laughable how much effort educated people put into finding reasons to not believe. Believe what? I believe there are purple unicorns flying between the Bermuda Portal and Russel's Teapot. In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous for you all to fight my beliefs. Saying I'm crazy is an act of aggression against by beliefs. If you do not believe with me then you are just grabbing at any way you can to find the slightest fault with my very solid and sound beliefs. Also, my arrogance, ignorance, and inability to listen to alternate viewpoints without becoming enraged are further examples of why I know what I'm talking about and anyone who disagrees with me is a blathering idiot. Each to their own. In Europe you would in some rare, though becoming more common explain the concept of a God in the first place. Theists are becoming more likely to have to justify why do not believe in repeatable observations and statistics more than a centuries old book.
We don't have to explain anything. We only have to justify our believes to ourselves. We miss you Saede. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3326
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:40:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote: We don't have to explain anything. We only have to justify our believes to ourselves.
Then why are you here?
And that answer made way too much sense now I think about it.
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:00:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote: We don't have to explain anything. We only have to justify our believes to ourselves.
Then why are you here? And that answer made way too much sense now I think about it.
On the Eve forums? Because I play the game.
We miss you Saede. |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2896
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:03:00 -
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Lets just forget about religion and governments and mine the **** out of asteroids Set Lasers for Fun!!! |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
94
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:16:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Kirjava wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote: We don't have to explain anything. We only have to justify our believes to ourselves.
Then why are you here? And that answer made way too much sense now I think about it. On the Eve forums? Because I play the game. I'll put this bluntly for future reference.
I stay out of the few [shortlived, due to rules] religious threads, as besides the fact they are against the forum rules they are discussing something for which I care not. I can contribute nothing to them, only friction that brings no interesting discussion nor does it contribute in any way to keeping the thread above bar.
I implore you to follow this example, and keep out of threads in which you feel you would specifically spread friction and nothing else. As an alternative to opening a thread and leaving something like this behind-
Angelique Duchemin wrote:My own theory is that it's because he's so popular with the Antitheism crowd.
Which, unlike your own personal beliefs, is entirely opinionated bull excrement designed to raise a debate which will cause a whole lot of friction.
You should instead, and promptly, dismiss the thread, and move on. Bringing Antitheism into a discussion about Astronomy, or an Astronomer in particular, is about as welcome as me bringing up Astronomy in a religious thread. This is not a case of contrary opinions not allowed, this is a case of "let's not drudge up peoples belief systems at all".
And, Especially no doing so in Out of Pod experience please. I have a hard enough time tolerating some of the crap that is perfectly in line with the rules.
Cheers. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
91
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:19:00 -
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Posting in yet another anit-Christian hate thread.
Im getting real tired of all these self called atheist and their war on Chrisitanity becuase they chose to live immoral lives. You are not athiests, you are heathensof youre own religion, declaring war on youre God in our name. If you disagree with something youre church preaches, go find another church. Don't come running over here and claimed you're a victimized atheist. You're an amoral Christian. You still beleive in God. It shows. If you were an atheists, you haven't this war on God and God's word, because a true Atheist wouldn't declare war on something that doesn't exist.
Stop using suedo atheism as excuse to bash those you hate, it's disgusting. Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them. Science is now defiled by the fact it's moved away from it's Christian roots of exploring God's world, and gotten in bed with secular governments who use Grants and loans as carrots to get science to "discover" whatever it wants them to discover. Peer review? Doesnt exist. It's a bully pulpit to beat down dessimation. How did they get 90% of the science communtiy to go along with Global Warming? Easy Al Gore and all hisr followers (of equal zealousness of any religion) to threaten them with pulling of their government grants and university funding> That got many of them...and the rest cowered under pressure for fear of being fired or black-listed.
Like a non-practicing Christian who still believes in God, but has lost faith in the teachings of the church, I am a non-practising Atheist, I still believe in science, but have lost total faith in the science community to be objectionable. |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:20:00 -
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Blane Xero wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Kirjava wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote: We don't have to explain anything. We only have to justify our believes to ourselves.
Then why are you here? And that answer made way too much sense now I think about it. On the Eve forums? Because I play the game. I'll put this bluntly for future reference. I stay out of the few [shortlived, due to rules] religious threads, as besides the fact they are against the forum rules they are discussing something for which I care not. I can contribute nothing to them, only friction that brings no interesting discussion nor does it contribute in any way to keeping the thread above bar. I implore you to follow this example, and keep out of threads in which you feel you would specifically spread friction and nothing else. As an alternative to opening a thread and leaving something like this behind- Angelique Duchemin wrote:My own theory is that it's because he's so popular with the Antitheism crowd. Which, unlike your own personal beliefs, is entirely opinionated bull excrement designed to raise a debate which will cause a whole lot of friction. You should instead, and promptly, dismiss the thread, and move on. Bringing Antitheism into a discussion about Astronomy, or an Astronomer in particular, is about as welcome as me bringing up Astronomy in a religious thread. This is not a case of contrary opinions not allowed, this is a case of "let's not drudge up peoples belief systems at all". And, Especially no doing so in Out of Pod experience please. I have a hard enough time tolerating some of the crap that is perfectly in line with the rules. Cheers.
You're entitled to your opinion.
We miss you Saede. |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
94
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:21:00 -
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Reuben Johnson wrote:Posting in yet another anit-Christian hate thread.
Im getting real tired of all these self called atheist and their war on Chrisitanity becuase they chose to live immoral lives. You are not athiests, you are heathensof youre own religion, declaring war on youre God in our name. If you disagree with something youre church preaches, go find another church. Don't come running over here and claimed you're a victimized atheist. You're an amoral Christian. You still beleive in God. It shows. If you were an atheists, you haven't this war on God and God's word, because a true Atheist wouldn't declare war on something that doesn't exist.
Stop using suedo atheism as excuse to bash those you hate, it's disgusting. Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them. Science is now defiled by the fact it's moved away from it's Christian roots of exploring God's world, and gotten in bed with secular governments who use Grants and loans as carrots to get science to "discover" whatever it wants them to discover. Peer review? Doesnt exist. It's a bully pulpit to beat down dessimation. How did they get 90% of the science communtiy to go along with Global Warming? Easy Al Gore and all hisr followers (of equal zealousness of any religion) to threaten them with pulling of their government grants and university funding> That got many of them...and the rest cowered under pressure for fear of being fired or black-listed.
Like a non-practicing Christian who still believes in God, but has lost faith in the teachings of the church, I am a non-practising Atheist, I still believe in science, but have lost total faith in the science community to be objectionable. Hoi, you, see the post I made immediately before you. Then kindly edit your post and leave the premises. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3342
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:27:00 -
[30] - Quote
Reuben Johnson wrote:stuff
Wait... what?...
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |
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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
96
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:27:00 -
[31] - Quote
Angelique Duchemin wrote: You're entitled to your opinion.
And you're bound by the same forum rules as all of us. Get to it and edit your post, skippy. You ain't any more special than the rest of us when it comes to that. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
91
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:30:00 -
[32] - Quote
Blane Xero wrote: Hoi, you, see the post I made immediately before you. Then kindly edit your post and leave the premises.
Youre post would have been relevant if posted 3rd or 4th, it's to late to claim youre wanna-be moderator high ground now.
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:35:00 -
[33] - Quote
Kirjava wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:stuff Wait... what?...
I was thinking the same thing. Wonder what camp he is in because god I hope he doesn't agree with me on anything. We miss you Saede. |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
98
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:36:00 -
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Reuben Johnson wrote:Blane Xero wrote: Hoi, you, see the post I made immediately before you. Then kindly edit your post and leave the premises.
Your post would have been relevant if posted 3rd or 4th, it's to late to claim your wanna-be moderator high ground now.
Look, I cannot explain in few enough words to retain your attention whilst I school you, so just do what I told you to do before someone actually does it for you.
I can be outright insulting if I want to be, but I've decided to approach this sensitively which is more than I can say for you and your kin have. Your buddy started this on post 2, nobody else, so your side takes the penalty. Git oot.
Edit: Actually, seeing the rationalism your buddy has, I'm directing this entirely at you instead. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3348
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:36:00 -
[35] - Quote
Angelique Duchemin wrote:Kirjava wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:stuff Wait... what?... I was thinking the same thing. Wonder what camp he is in because god I hope he doesn't agree with me on anything. I was arguing perspectives on arguing and flipping perspectives on arguements with current statistics, no idea what he's arguing.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5701
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:43:00 -
[36] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:My dad would have loved Neil DeGrasse Tyson. He loved astronomy and space exploration almost as much as I did, maybe more way back before I knew him. He would always come home with space exploration magazines, and together we would go over the most exciting updates of the space program. Tyson is like Carl Sagan in that he has a way with words that, when combined with his experience as an astrophysicist, points out the beauty and majesty of space exploration.
I grew up not knowing that anyone had ever considered space exploration to be tied with atheism or antitheism. My dad was strongly Christian and he studied that religion almost as much as he studied space. I was brought up as a Christian, and I never saw any cognitive dissonance between believing in God and exploring space. In fact, if anything, it seems more confirmation of His wonder than anything else. Perhaps one of the biggest things that pulled me away from religion in my early years was the realization that people at my church wanted me to stop exploring. So maybe I left Christianity not because I felt it was incorrect, but because I felt it had bad ethical teachings.
My Bible Thumping Father was the one who dragged me into the backyard at night with a telescope. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
91
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:46:00 -
[37] - Quote
Blane Xero wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:Blane Xero wrote: Hoi, you, see the post I made immediately before you. Then kindly edit your post and leave the premises.
Your post would have been relevant if posted 3rd or 4th, it's to late to claim your wanna-be moderator high ground now. Look, I cannot explain in few enough words to retain your attention whilst I school you, so just do what I told you to do before someone actually does it for you. I can be outright insulting if I want to be, but I've decided to approach this sensitively which is more than I can say for you and your kin have. Your buddy started this on post 2, nobody else, so your side takes the penalty. Git oot. Edit: Actually, seeing the rationalism your buddy has, I'm directing this entirely at you instead.
telling people to edit their post to suit youre viewpoint and leave the thread isnt exactly being sensitive. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5708
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:47:00 -
[38] - Quote
Kirjava wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:stuff Wait... what?...
For real. Is it not just incredible?
Science and Religion CANNOT address each other. At all.
It's as useless as airline pilots giving advice about sailing a boat. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3351
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kirjava wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:stuff Wait... what?... For real. Is it not just incredible? Science and Religion CANNOT address each other. At all. It's as useless as airline pilots giving advice about sailing a boat. I would take issue with this, gotta be pretty thankful that Sully was good though with his plane to use it for a boating exercise...
And they cannot actually address each other, each has their own domain and when one crosses into the other it causes this kind of friction. Part of the problem is that we live in an era where technology is advancing faster than theology can react which is what I think if bringing it to the foreground like this. Well, in a few cases anyway, the Vatican has quite the advanced viewpoint on evolution and Astrophysics.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5708
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:55:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kirjava wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:stuff Wait... what?... For real. Is it not just incredible? Science and Religion CANNOT address each other. At all. It's as useless as airline pilots giving advice about sailing a boat. I would take issue with this, gotta be pretty thankful that Sully was good though with his plane to use it for a boating exercise... And they cannot actually address each other, each has their own domain and when one crosses into the other it causes this kind of friction. Part of the problem is that we live in an era where technology is advancing faster than theology can react which is what I think if bringing it to the foreground like this. Well, in a few cases anyway, the Vatican has quite the advanced viewpoint on evolution and Astrophysics.
Boating Exercise
Yeah about the Vatican. Sadly, these anti-science loons tend to be Protestants from Southern American States. I blame the education system and preachers both. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3361
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:59:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Boating Exercise Yeah about the Vatican. Sadly, these anti-science loons tend to be Protestants from Southern American States. I blame the education system and preachers both. Well the alternative is whats happening in Europe where Theology is collapsing like my last attempt at a flan. Probably is the education system, its covering too many bases that Theology relies on to cover the less believable parts. There was a chap called Thomas Jefferson who edited out the Bible to remove the supernatural elements and leave the moral arguments.
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Eurydia Vespasian
nova insula mining and industrial
2386
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:00:00 -
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Reuben Johnson wrote:Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them.
i'm afraid the ideas behind science are considerably older than that.
what christians did with science was try to use it as a tool to prove their worldview. earth centric universe and so on, for example. even though the greeks knew that was total bullpoo millenia beforehand. but religion played its part in the forwarding of science. no argument there. islam in particular. but once it became clear that this existence was far more complicated than their views allowed for...therein lay the rub. and the gap has grown ever wider since then. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3361
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:06:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them. i'm afraid the ideas behind science are considerably older than that. what christians did with science was try to use it as a tool to prove their worldview. earth centric universe and so on, for example. even though the greeks knew that was total bullpoo millenia beforehand. but religion played its part in the forwarding of science. no argument there. islam in particular. but once it became clear that this existence was far more complicated than their views allowed for...therein lay the rub. and the gap has grown ever wider since then. Fun fact, Islam was at its heyday the biggest driver of social and technological advancement. There are texts in Baghdad that were translated into Arabic (a derivation of latin) that compiled much of the worlds knowlege, form the Mogul Empire's Hindu theology to the entire knowledge we have today of the Greeks which was preserved by them.
Algebra was created as a mathematical system to simplify Islamic inheritance laws and many of the named stars are translations from the Arabic texts built upon by the European astronomers that came later. Then they went into a Dark age when the fundamentalists started gaining traction and... yea they are slowly coming back from that at the moment, fundamentalism in any ideology is bad and free movement of ideas and capital is good.
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:15:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them. i'm afraid the ideas behind science are considerably older than that. what christians did with science was try to use it as a tool to prove their worldview. earth centric universe and so on, for example. even though the greeks knew that was total bullpoo millenia beforehand. but religion played its part in the forwarding of science. no argument there. islam in particular. but once it became clear that this existence was far more complicated than their views allowed for...therein lay the rub. and the gap has grown ever wider since then.
Please do not indulge in these freebies by debating this guy. No form of credit is earned in explaining the things he got wrong. He is in a metaphorical deep null in a verbal ibis and popping him is just as unrewarding as it is easy.
We miss you Saede. |
Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15857
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:19:00 -
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I expected a thread about some awesome roid mining, but found a thread about the old and boring science vs religion discussion.
/sadpanda. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Eurydia Vespasian
nova insula mining and industrial
2386
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:26:00 -
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lol miz.
speaking of the original intent of this thread though. the idea for asteroid mining is awesome. the possibility for near infinite materials to advance is very tantalizing. the only issues are cost effective measures to get at them. i don't think we are at the technological level yet to make use of the idea. nor will we be. until we arrive at some sort of unification to purpose. |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
99
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:29:00 -
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Reuben Johnson wrote:Blane Xero wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:Blane Xero wrote: Hoi, you, see the post I made immediately before you. Then kindly edit your post and leave the premises.
Your post would have been relevant if posted 3rd or 4th, it's to late to claim your wanna-be moderator high ground now. Look, I cannot explain in few enough words to retain your attention whilst I school you, so just do what I told you to do before someone actually does it for you. I can be outright insulting if I want to be, but I've decided to approach this sensitively which is more than I can say for you and your kin have. Your buddy started this on post 2, nobody else, so your side takes the penalty. Git oot. Edit: Actually, seeing the rationalism your buddy has, I'm directing this entirely at you instead. telling people to edit their post to suit youre viewpoint and leave the thread isnt exactly being sensitive.
I'm telling you to edit your post to conform to the forum rules and remove your ignorance with it, which is being directly insulting compared to everyone else who has posted in the thread previous. I'm not telling you to edit it to my view point at all you dense fool. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
526
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:30:00 -
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Not to mention that harvesting one of those solid gold asteroids would collapse the world economy so we would be too busy playing Fallout 3 IRL to make use of any materials we find.
Blane Xero wrote: you dense fool.
Personal attacks and an inability to take the high ground is the reason you will never become an ISD despite trying for years. We miss you Saede. |
Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3383
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:31:00 -
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My dream is to work on these asteroid mining projects, trying to figure out how to get involved in them. I've been fielding questions tentatively about looking at doing a Doctorate in something related. I'm doing Structural Engineering for my undergrad, looking at Aerospace Engineering for a Masters... Hopefully Zero G structures for the last part.
Put the Engines at the front of the damn ship for starters, put the spine into tension and vector the thrust slightly off (say 3 degree's off the direction of thrust to keep the exhaust from hitting the ship) to save on mass by a fair fraction.
If anyone knows anything about these kind of Academic things and has advice I appreciate it all
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Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2940
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:34:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Put the Engines at the front of the damn ship for starters, put the spine into tension and vector the thrust slightly off (say 3 degree's off the direction of thrust to keep the exhaust from hitting the ship) to save on mass by a fair fraction. If anyone knows anything about these kind of Academic things and has advice I appreciate it all
Its funny you said that, I just made a rocket like that in Kerbal Space Program. Although I messed up the staging and it exploded about 3 minutes into the flight Set Lasers for Fun!!! |
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Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3387
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:38:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Kirjava wrote:Put the Engines at the front of the damn ship for starters, put the spine into tension and vector the thrust slightly off (say 3 degree's off the direction of thrust to keep the exhaust from hitting the ship) to save on mass by a fair fraction. If anyone knows anything about these kind of Academic things and has advice I appreciate it all Its funny you said that, I just made a rocket like that in Kerbal Space Program. Although I messed up the staging and it exploded about 3 minutes into the flight
Well metals work like that, Steel is better in tension by a long shot than it is in compression. I reckon the first spaceships will be like hanging tents using metal ropes supporting a Biglow style inflatable canopy than what scifi brought us up on.
Also, just googled Kerbal Space program : interesting.
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Eurydia Vespasian
nova insula mining and industrial
2386
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:42:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Not to mention that harvesting one of those solid gold asteroids would collapse the world economy so we would be too busy playing Fallout 3 IRL to make use of any materials we find.
well, i'm sure it would have to be eased into. but, who knows? maybe america might be able to finally reach its dream of having gold to back up every u.s dollar in circulation like it originally wanted lol
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Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3387
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:43:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Not to mention that harvesting one of those solid gold asteroids would collapse the world economy so we would be too busy playing Fallout 3 IRL to make use of any materials we find. well, i'm sure it would have to be eased into. but, who knows? maybe america might be able to finally reach its dream of having gold to back up every u.s dollar in circulation like it originally wanted lol Gold is an excellent thermal conductor.
Gold frying pans and kitchen equipment. Also usage in Power plants and other appications cupper is used, such as a heatsink for your PC.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5758
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:47:00 -
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Get your licks in as I've requested this thread be locked. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15861
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:47:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:lol miz.
speaking of the original intent of this thread though. the idea for asteroid mining is awesome. the possibility for near infinite materials to advance is very tantalizing. the only issues are cost effective measures to get at them. i don't think we are at the technological level yet to make use of the idea. nor will we be. until we arrive at some sort of unification to purpose.
Did you watch the stream of the presentation about roid mining at FF?
I was surpriced to see how little it actually required. It is actually easyer to get to the nearest roids and back than it is to go to the moon and back and yet we managed to do the latter about 50 years ago. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2951
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:52:00 -
[56] - Quote
In before the lock =) Set Lasers for Fun!!! |
Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15861
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:58:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:In before the lock =)
but ... but we want to mine roids :( We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
99
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:00:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Blane Xero wrote: you dense fool. Personal attacks and an inability to take the high ground is the reason you will never become an ISD despite trying for years. You don't know me very well. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5758
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:14:00 -
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The derailment actually happened with the 2nd and 3rd posts.
Psychotic religious folks are not doing their cause any favors at all.
Nobody is impressed. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
5758
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:17:00 -
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BTW, what is it with these lame 'periods' at the end of Alliance names ? (see posts 2 and 3) -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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