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X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:14:00 -
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A couple of weeks ago, my account was banned for using a "script" on the client. Now I've never modified my client, nor used any sort of botting software... So I was a bit confused, and petitioned the ban. After countless petitions later, and having my plea's shunned, a fellow corpmate suggested that I had some sort of program on my computer that could have flagged my account as a bot.
Apparently the target of this ban wave was cheaters using modified clients. So I started looking for anything on my computer, that could possibly have anything to do with this, and this is what I came up with:
I would occasionally run Eclipse while playing Eve. I'm no expert in Python (I've only just began messing with it as I'm trying to get into video game development) but this seems to be the only thing I can come up with that had anything to do with this situation.
GMs are refusing to look into this, and I may be completely wrong.... but I just thought I would post this here to warn anyone using Eclipse (or anything similar) to be careful while playing Eve |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
959
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:25:00 -
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I find it hard to believe that CCP would ban someone based on the existence of a common IDE on their computer.
CCP has no sense of humour. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2422
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:33:00 -
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CCP is getting a lot better at weeding out false positives, but they still happen occasionally.
The problem I've had with them is that they will not actually tell you what set off their alarm bells on your own computer. It's up to you to figure it out for yourself and that can be a real pain. I contested a missing ship one time and they told me I'd sold it but wouldn't link me to the sale 
Escalate and hope you get a helpful and knowledgeable GM to work through it.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:43:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP is getting a lot better at weeding out false positives, but they still happen occasionally. The problem I've had with them is that they will not actually tell you what set off their alarm bells on your own computer. It's up to you to figure it out for yourself and that can be a real pain. I contested a missing ship one time and they told me I'd sold it but wouldn't link me to the sale Escalate and hope you get a helpful and knowledgeable GM to work through it. Mr Epeen
I've already escalated it, and the response was " we are fully confident in the security team"
They won't budge, and they may be justified in doing so... I figured Eclipse was a pretty common IDE, which is why I wanted to make sure this got out there.
As I said, I may be completely wrong... But I don't know what else would have caused it. (Unless it was just a screwup on CCP's side, but they seem confident that their data is correct) |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
591
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:46:00 -
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I predict seeing an interesting point OP forgot to mention initially that will change his whole argument. Something along the lines of "well yeah, I did purchase this toon on ebay but that's not the point; it says I got banned for botting".
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped*
Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne"
... Because of Falcon. |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:50:00 -
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X074 wrote:
GMs are refusing to look into this, and I may be completely wrong.... but I just thought I would post this here to warn anyone using Eclipse (or anything similar) to be careful while playing Eve
Is it possible that you were using a market "assistant" at the time or previously?
You know, one of those "tools" that allows you update orders in an automated.. err.. I mean "semi"-automated manner?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3360
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:52:00 -
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OP gets caught modifying client and is turned down for appeal by GMs, goes to GD to plead case with phony story.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
893
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Posted - 2013.04.30 20:59:00 -
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CCP claims they don't check anything outside the client's own memory space (although the EULA allows them to do so).
So the mere presence of dev tools shouldn't get you into trouble. However, if you tried attaching a debugger to the eve process for some reason you may (will very likely) have triggered red flags.
TEST alt - don't trust. |
X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.30 21:06:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:OP gets caught modifying client and is turned down for appeal by GMs, goes to GD to plead case with phony story.
Also, with name like X074, who would even begin thinking that was a bot?
Yes, because I'm posting on the forums with a banned character... genius.
GMs have already made it clear that I'm not getting unbanned early, and I really don't care. I've already unsubbed and don't plan on coming back for awhile. I just thought I might do some good by posting a warning to Eclipse users.
Also, about attaching a debugger to the Eve process: I'm pretty sure I didn't do that... Seems like thats something that would be hard to do on accident  |
Ripblade Falconpunch
State War Academy
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.04.30 21:14:00 -
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X074 wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:OP gets caught modifying client and is turned down for appeal by GMs, goes to GD to plead case with phony story.
Also, with name like X074, who would even begin thinking that was a bot? Yes, because I'm posting on the forums with a banned character... genius. GMs have already made it clear that I'm not getting unbanned early, and I really don't care. I've already unsubbed and don't plan on coming back for awhile. I just thought I might do some good by posting a warning to Eclipse users. Also, about attaching a debugger to the Eve process: I'm pretty sure I didn't do that... Seems like thats something that would be hard to do on accident
You could try emailing [email protected] directly if you honestly didn't do anything wrong. (Not sure if that's the correct email address, doublecheck it) |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4102
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Posted - 2013.04.30 21:35:00 -
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Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:X074 wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:OP gets caught modifying client and is turned down for appeal by GMs, goes to GD to plead case with phony story.
Also, with name like X074, who would even begin thinking that was a bot? Yes, because I'm posting on the forums with a banned character... genius. GMs have already made it clear that I'm not getting unbanned early, and I really don't care. I've already unsubbed and don't plan on coming back for awhile. I just thought I might do some good by posting a warning to Eclipse users. Also, about attaching a debugger to the Eve process: I'm pretty sure I didn't do that... Seems like thats something that would be hard to do on accident You could try emailing [email protected] directly if you honestly didn't do anything wrong. (Not sure if that's the correct email address, doublecheck it)
Probably your best option.
However, as was pointed out above, unless it was interacting with the EvE client it has nothing to do with other software on your computer.
Nice try though. 
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Azurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.04.30 21:43:00 -
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ccp doesnt look for other processes or stuff on your computer. everything they do to check for botters/client modification stays within the eve process. So if you got banned it wasnt because you had some software installed but because you ran software to interact with the eve process and whatever that software did wasnt allowed.
tbh since you already said you ran a script and you didnt specify what it did or what it was for, i'm pretty confident that you were doing something forbidden and you are not a false positive. |
X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.30 21:48:00 -
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Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:X074 wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:OP gets caught modifying client and is turned down for appeal by GMs, goes to GD to plead case with phony story.
Also, with name like X074, who would even begin thinking that was a bot? Yes, because I'm posting on the forums with a banned character... genius. GMs have already made it clear that I'm not getting unbanned early, and I really don't care. I've already unsubbed and don't plan on coming back for awhile. I just thought I might do some good by posting a warning to Eclipse users. Also, about attaching a debugger to the Eve process: I'm pretty sure I didn't do that... Seems like thats something that would be hard to do on accident You could try emailing [email protected] directly if you honestly didn't do anything wrong. (Not sure if that's the correct email address, doublecheck it)
I emailed [email protected] (I think was the address) but they had some sort of technical difficulty, and replied back telling me to put my email in a petition so they could read it. I haven't heard back on that petition yet. Will keep this updated if they find anything amazing |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:08:00 -
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X074 wrote:Also, about attaching a debugger to the Eve process: I'm pretty sure I didn't do that... Seems like thats something that would be hard to do on accident
Actually it's pretty easy to do on accident. Eclipse comes with a debugger that can be attached to other processes. While attaching it to the program you want to debug, you misclick and attach it to Eve.
And even if you didn't attach it to Eve, you might have started debugging a library that is also used by Eve, which might have triggered the flag. Or there is a bug in the debugger. (I remember a very annoying bug in the MS Studio debugger that occasionally would start to debug parts of the OS, putting my computer to a grinding halt.)
Running a debugger while running Eve might be a bad idea. But then, these "I didn't do anything" threads are usually fake.
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X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:34:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:X074 wrote:Also, about attaching a debugger to the Eve process: I'm pretty sure I didn't do that... Seems like thats something that would be hard to do on accident Actually it's pretty easy to do on accident. Eclipse comes with a debugger that can be attached to other processes. While attaching it to the program you want to debug, you misclick and attach it to Eve. And even if you didn't attach it to Eve, you might have started debugging a library that is also used by Eve, which might have triggered the flag. Or there is a bug in the debugger. (I remember a very annoying bug in the MS Studio debugger that occasionally would start to debug parts of the OS, putting my computer to a grinding halt.) Running a debugger while running Eve might be a bad idea. But then, these "I didn't do anything" threads are usually fake.
I didn't really start this thread with the intent of "I didn't do anything" and I couldn't care less about who here believes me.
But this is starting to look more and more like the culprit to me... but then again, I'm still pretty new to Eclipse
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Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
603
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:49:00 -
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X074 wrote:
I've already escalated it, and the response was " we are fully confident in the security team"
It's pretty easy for the security team to have a perfect record, when there is no oversight, and they won't admit to making a mistake or investigating it. |
Kaliska Asuful
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:00:00 -
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Tbh, remove Eclipse from your HDD. This is not the first game (nor likely, to be the last) which has tripped a false neg. Seeing as adaptive Eclipse is, it's no wonder why it trips some wires. Just ditch it and continue with your usual Java bits without the hastle of being locked from game to game.
Edit: Eclipse is more trouble than it's worth. Ditch it the second you get the chance |
X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.01 00:35:00 -
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Kaliska Asuful wrote:Tbh, remove Eclipse from your HDD. This is not the first game (nor likely, to be the last) which has tripped a false neg. Seeing as adaptive Eclipse is, it's no wonder why it trips some wires. Just ditch it and continue with your usual Java bits without the hastle of being locked from game to game.
Edit: Eclipse is more trouble than it's worth. Ditch it the second you get the chance
Surely it wouldn't cause issues from just being installed... shouldn't I only really have to worry about actually running it while other games are running? |
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
555
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Posted - 2013.05.01 01:31:00 -
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You got caught OP. Just give it up. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1687
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Posted - 2013.05.01 01:43:00 -
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Kaliska Asuful wrote:Tbh, remove Eclipse from your HDD. This is not the first game (nor likely, to be the last) which has tripped a false neg. Seeing as adaptive Eclipse is, it's no wonder why it trips some wires. Just ditch it and continue with your usual Java bits without the hastle of being locked from game to game.
Edit: Eclipse is more trouble than it's worth. Ditch it the second you get the chance
I've been using Eclipse on the same computer as EVE for about the last 5 years at least. I do not do any Python Dev however.
TBH Eclipse is the Gordian Knot of IDEs but once you learn and tweak it, it will do about anything.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:22:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Kaliska Asuful wrote:Tbh, remove Eclipse from your HDD. This is not the first game (nor likely, to be the last) which has tripped a false neg. Seeing as adaptive Eclipse is, it's no wonder why it trips some wires. Just ditch it and continue with your usual Java bits without the hastle of being locked from game to game.
Edit: Eclipse is more trouble than it's worth. Ditch it the second you get the chance I've been using Eclipse on the same computer as EVE for about the last 5 years at least. It runs 24x7x365. I do not do any Python Dev however. TBH Eclipse is the Gordian Knot of IDEs but once you learn and tweak it, it will do about anything.
I never could get the code completion to work like I wanted it to
I went to Eclipse after using Visual Studio... VS seems pamper you with that kind of thing |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:42:00 -
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X074 wrote:A couple of weeks ago, my account was banned for using a "script" on the client. Now I've never modified my client, nor used any sort of botting software... So I was a bit confused, and petitioned the ban. After countless petitions later, and having my plea's shunned, a fellow corpmate suggested that I had some sort of program on my computer that could have flagged my account as a bot.
Apparently the target of this ban wave was cheaters using modified clients. So I started looking for anything on my computer, that could possibly have anything to do with this, and this is what I came up with:
I would occasionally run Eclipse while playing Eve. I'm no expert in Python (I've only just began messing with it as I'm trying to get into video game development) but this seems to be the only thing I can come up with that had anything to do with this situation.
GMs are refusing to look into this, and I may be completely wrong.... but I just thought I would post this here to warn anyone using Eclipse (or anything similar) to be careful while playing Eve
Thanks for notifying me! I was thinking about learning Java while mining or AFK'ing with EVE in the background, you just saved me! |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
505
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:56:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:So the mere presence of dev tools shouldn't get you into trouble. However, if you tried attaching a debugger to the eve process for some reason you may (will very likely) have triggered red flags.
This sounds like a possibility.
#savejita |
X074
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.02 03:07:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Thanks for notifying me! I was thinking about learning Java while mining or AFK'ing with EVE in the background, you just saved me!
http://bit.ly/16qQURG
No problem |
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