Duel Baiting and suspect baiting I believe should be treated the same as can baiting in rookie systems. You are attempting to trick a new player into a one-sided fight so you can get leet peeveepee killz. GM's do not take kindly to any sort of new player abuse in Rookie Systems. The GM's do not actively fly around the systems, but do keep a close watch on what happens

Afaik this is the list of systems where ccp actively discourage standard eve behaviours.

I know that can baiting is not allowed in noob systems, but since i started this toon i-¦ve noticed duel baiting and making oneself flashy orange to get easy kills is this allowed in noob mission hub systems.

Are the Noob starter mission systems policed by GM-¦s or do they rely on Rookie chat?

I doubt if they will get involved anymore because it isn't a can which was a true low blow because even the old pop up box would be kinda hard to understand for a complete newb.

What part of DUEL is hard to understand? ..and why should a guy on day one not have an opportunity to fight and meet a vet? I know I fought someone on day maybe 2 or 3 and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt I was going to die but I also knew I would learn a lil something.

There's also a safety now. If you take that off why is it a GM's problem? Green, yellow, red is taught to everyone as a child...green= safe, red=not safe...yellow=floor the gas pedal.

Suspect bait? You shot someone and were surprised they shot you back? If you pulled the trigger you wanted the fight.

I'm no fan of rookie system ganking for no reason but I can't say I wouldn't do this to see what the new blood coming in looks like and if there are any new guys who can take a loss well and I can use for things so they don't feel like they have to pick mining or missions like the tutorials pretty much steer you towards to make isk.

I doubt if they will get involved anymore . . .

I don't think this is (or should be) against the rules.

Warning:-áAttempting to trick new players in to situations where you can fire on them freely, such as-ácan flipping-áthem, in these systems is prohibited.

I don't think this is (or should be) against the rules.

Any sort of activity that deliberately targets new players in the rookie systems is actively discouraged and against the rules. The moment they are out of those systems you are good to scam, kill and generally treat them like the rest of Eve's players. What is so bad about that?

It's all to do with new player retention, as that is one of the things that Eve has major issues with.

Well it is against the rules. Picking on newbies with the intend to just bait them into fights is.




If you want to fight people do it in one of the other 7500 systems in the New Eden cluster.

Yeah, I know the rules the way they were but can we really say the rules aren't 100% clear these days in addition to duels and the crimewatch flags being their new hotness? You're not trying to trick them the rules are very easy to understand these days.

Trust me I couldn't care less about killmails or padding a board with a mess of velator ganks....I'm really just curious if the old rules for can flipping and suicide ganks apply to flags and duels. I wouldn't think they would. What if a rookie system is on my route while suspect baiting around town and I get shot giving me a LE flag for a newb?...I'm supposed to let those guys slide or risk getting yelled at by a GM? Why?

Even at the station if some dirty bird wanted to sit there with a suspect flag on what's the harm? It's better to learn about flags early than waiting until they're in the first BC they can't afford to loose. On the dueling note, what if some of these new players join specifically for pvp? You don't think they would want and expect to see pvp opportunities everywhere? Not every noob cares about loosing and comes in expecting it.

I'd go out on a limb and say killing newbs in rookie systems using the crimewatch mechanics is probably a case by case basis these days because the choice to fight is nice and clear?

All noob systems are dead ends....so no route will take you through one

And even if you went in with a suspect flag and get shot at (and shoot back) you are not tricking people by sitting in system spamming newbs with duel invites or getting deliberate suspect flags on the undock.

Its the specially tricking people into it that is illegal, not a single random encounter.



EDIT:

Also crimewatch for newbs isn't clear. Even with safety green you can shoot a suspect as the safety system is there to PREVENT suspect/criminal flags. Shooting a suspect doesn't give you either. So it is basically the same as stealing from a container, the other party can just shoot back. So being complete new means you likely don't have an idea on what is going on.

Duel invite I don't know what is listed in the pop up. So can't judge that.

E2:

People who come to PvP still have to learn the mechanics and also will seek out PvP.

Bourynes has about 4-5? gates and is on a major mission hub route as well as part of a cattle chute to dodixie which is a decent sized trade hub.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Sinq_Laison/Bourynes

And how is crimewatch not clear? You are shooting at someone not taking from a can marked "free ammo". Why should they have to seek out pvp? C'mon, you really think people who will shoot at a player ship are being tricked into fighting? Tricking them into taking a suspect flag or something I could see but shooting a suspect ship and getting assploded? Nah, that's got to be fair game anywhere. Maybe not the dead ends but even there I would like to hear it from a GM that crimewatch isn't clear enough for new players to understand even after all the work they did to make these options easy and available.

And you say that when you started the game you from the first second knew what you can and cant shoot etc. As that is what you are saying. If you toom the time to watch rookie help you would have seen that the following qusstions come up regurly:

What does suspect mean?

What is this yellow skull on black background on a player?

Yep, the first day I played I undocked and saw a yellow thing in space that said something like "free stuff for noobs". I clicked on it and read that it was a crime against someone's corporation to take that stuff....then I looked around the station. Low and behold there was something called a Jaguar just sitting over where the ships where comming out. I didn't take what was in that can but I sure as hell did figure out what a Jaguar was and how to kill it. That little test was a day or two later in Egghelende where I got rocked but lasted more than 3 seconds which is all I was going for. I went to the newb system to look for that guy before I left for low sec but alas he wasn't there to face the wrath of my craptacular Tristen. I have to say I would have rather fought the jag than getting gangbanged in a belt.

I wouldn't bother a GM about what I do. If it's rule breaking then it's a good rule to be broken if done for the right reasons. If I send out 30 duel requests to different people I can clearly see are new and running those god awful tutorials as I pass through and a few wowtards get mad because they no likey pvp screw 'um. I want the 2 people that open a convo and want to do it but don't understand how to fit and fight yet. (Had to add yes I would give them some basic help then let them apply it all the way to their grave to see how they took a loss...then probably either laugh at their tears or reimburse the ship with some more adivce.)

You're not one to protect people when the rules are clear....you gettin soft or somethin? This isn't about tricking and can baiting it's about shooting suspects and duels (they really are very clear with the duel pop-up it was done well and anyone who thinks they can shoot someone without being shot back is just a liar that's common sense).


...and no rookie chat for me. The dumb that flows out of there is staggering and reminds me reading is almost a lost art.

Why are you even replying to that ******?

Well. Won't last much longer.

Petitioned CCP to get official response from a GM here.

I've seen the question asked before and they don't answer it. And what I'm talking about isn't a trick...again what is hard to understand about a duel?

Can flips, ganking, doing generally dirty tricks to newbs = bad

Getting shot while suspect flagged and passing through, throwing a duel invite out in there for some odd reason = who knows for sure

Because in general GMs don't watch forums very often.
I now asked them through a petition.

Backing out are we....

Duel baiting is classed as an harassment.

Report this type of activity using the F12 -> Petition -> select as harassment -> put details in -> GM will look and give the correct punishment for the player.

Warning: Attempting to trick new players in to situations where you can fire on them freely, such as can flipping them, in these systems is prohibited.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

Basically, tricking newbies where you can fire on them freely in Rookie systems is against the rules.