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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.10.02 03:18:00 -
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In eve atm there are several different ways you can take part in the highly 'enjoyable' pvp experience.
1)Sit around for 4 hours before losing connection due to lag in a massive fleet battle.
2)Stare at a gate for x hours and hit F1-F8 whenever something smaller then your gang comes through.
3)Chase after pirates, who are fitted with as many wcs as possible sitting aligned on top of a gate.
4)Snipe from as far away as possible whilst moving regularly to make sure there is almost no chance of anything remotely threatening getting close.
5)Be a pirate and fly around only targeting ships that are obviously weaker then yourself.
6)Highjack people whilst they are mining/warpscrambled by npcs clearing belts.
There are other far less common methods of getting pvp in eve that ive missed out, but basically they all have the same characteristic.
There is currently almost no way for players to engage in 'fair' fights with other players and test their skills and abilities.
What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
This should not be particularly hard to implement, since it could be setup in a similar way to deadspace gates and would vastly improve a sadly lacking aspect of this game.
The arena would allow players to restrict ship classes of opponents, perhaps allow or disallow ecm, perhaps specify whether pods could be killed or not, etc....
You could possibly have a ring of different gates like the entrances to the cicus maximus with different restrictions on them even...
Think Roman arena for space ships...
You could even link it into the roleplay aspect of eve by having official bloodbaths to pick out the true champions of amarr/galente/minmatar/caldari.
It would also resolve so many of those 'I'm more L337 then you' comments that constantly pop up on forums and in game.
Personally I would really enjoy being able to take on other players in a reasonably fair 1vs1/2vs2/whatever, fight without having to rely on the honour of the opponent not to gang 10 other members/fit all specific racial jammers etc.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:56:00 -
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5 and 6 are my favorite.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.02 07:04:00 -
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While a system like this could be fun, there is another solution to the huge lack of "fair" fights. The trick is to engage in unfair fights. Unfair to you that is. This sort of fight is easily the most satisfying to win.
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Kehmor
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Posted - 2005.10.02 07:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Necrologic
While a system like this could be fun, there is another solution to the huge lack of "fair" fights. The trick is to engage in unfair fights. Unfair to you that is. This sort of fight is easily the most satisfying to win.
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Dr Phopophl
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Posted - 2005.10.02 08:46:00 -
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While the arena idea is a good one for enabling and encouraging pvp - I for one would feel that it is invalid within the greater context of the eve universe unless it is handled very carefully.
Sure we are playing a game and there are already some very artificial constraints put upon us but I think CCP and the players should be striving to produce a realistic and consistent universe and having arbitrary pvp areas could spoil this.
ThatĘs not to say I couldnĘt be persuaded ū it just would need sensitive implementation that is consistent within the existing universe.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.10.02 09:01:00 -
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The good thing about pvp is you dont always know when your gonna end up in it. Although an arena would be interesting it definatly shouldnt be the only way to pvp.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:26:00 -
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Well, there is always singularity, the test server... PVP in Eve is not so much about beating the opposition, but to face danger and survive it. Stronger enemies are a threat to survive if you're the weaker party in hostile space. I'd say fair fights are pretty dull, because alot of satisfaction is lost if you win but have many casualties, and losing a fair fight just has an annoying feeling all over you that you messed up. You must either win perfectly, or be totally owned, in order to enjoy a fight fully in Eve.
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:33:00 -
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What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
DUHHH!!! that mean RISK FREE PvP
Go play WoW you killjoy.
The idea of PvP in Eve is that you have the chance to lose everything when you PvP!
Also! Test server is for that.
And! basically all 0.0 space is a "PvP Arena"
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Asteroid King
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:34:00 -
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The problems you listed aren't just reserved for EVE. Many MMO's suffer from population imbalances between forces, lack of good fights, long spells of boredom etc.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:06:00 -
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Hmmmmm... holodecks at some station in Eve and do PvP in Eve within Eve? Naaaah... wouldnt sell here. 
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:08:00 -
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Why do I feel like he's talking about Burn Eden?
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowlordUK
What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
NO. Just... no.
It's wrong.
Everything in eve regarding the environment and physics can be attributed to backstory and has an RP side to back it up.
This is just ludacris.
It's not Quake. It's not WoW. It's not Guild Wars. Leave it alone.
Eve is different. Non-consentual PvP is what makes Eve so versatile, and gives it such a rich, and dangerous environment.
You can actually lose things fighting in Eve, even against NPC's which is what adds to the atmosphere.
People need to stop asking for silly things that have no bearing on direction of the game, it's inhabitants and it's evolution.
CCP created Eve, and here they are god. They decide what goes and what doesn't. Let them decide how what is essentially their game evolves.
"Consentual PvP" on tranquility is a joke.
If you want consentual PvP, log into Sisi and head for PF-346.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowlordUK
What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
It's called the Free For All on the Test Server.
Originally by: James Lyrus
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Gradinger
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Posted - 2005.10.02 11:19:00 -
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go to 0.0 - not everybody there¦s fitted for running,
or engage something bigger - like said.
on the other hand if u want an arena i wont care as long as its just an addition and will only play a small role in eve - but dont turn eve into a big arena...
Originally by: Boonaki
Why do I feel like he's talking about Burn Eden?
cuz u think u r cool using suuuch an old runnig joke?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2005.10.02 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 02/10/2005 12:50:02
*removed*
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.02 13:13:00 -
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If you want fair PvP all the time, play on the test server. Negotiate duels and 2v2s, etc.
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Chinsor
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Posted - 2005.10.02 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Chinsor on 02/10/2005 13:18:28
Edited by: Chinsor on 02/10/2005 13:17:57
Originally by: ShadowlordUK
What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
EVE has never needed this and never will.
Practice PVP with your fellow corp buddies, fights aren't supposed to be fair, thats the whole point of it.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.10.02 13:38:00 -
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what people miss out, is that the "hunt" is a big part of pvp, and in finding an adversary, you have proven your pvp skill.
It is also, at times, more enjoyable than the battle itself.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.10.02 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: ShadowlordUK
What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
It's called the Free For All on the Test Server.
All this time I thought the Free For All was in Aunenen  
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.02 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gradinger
Originally by: Boonaki
Why do I feel like he's talking about Burn Eden?
cuz u think u r cool using suuuch an old runnig joke?
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Mr Floppyknickers
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Posted - 2005.10.02 21:31:00 -
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Someone mind explaing how to access the test server and what happens there. From what I've "heard" your data from tranquility is backed up every month or so and nothing you do on SiSi affects your char on tranquility. (eg: training, profits, loses) Is this correct?
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.10.02 22:40:00 -
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We fight outnumbered all the time and still come out on top 99.999% of the time. Ppl will no doubt flame this post, but until you've faught with us you have no idea what your talking about.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.10.02 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
Quote:
What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
DUHHH!!! that mean RISK FREE PvP
Go play WoW you killjoy.
The idea of PvP in Eve is that you have the chance to lose everything when you PvP!
Also! Test server is for that.
And! basically all 0.0 space is a "PvP Arena"
Hehe dont know where you usually hang out but im my experience all 0.0 is more of a run away and hide arena, as i mentioned in my first post.
To use your words DUUUUHHHHH! Risk free pvp is mind numbingly boring. Just because pvp is in an arena doesnt mean you cant lose your ship and all your implants etc. 
The test server is for testing new stuff on behalf of the devs (who'd have thunk it  ), since you can get unlimited free stuff it will never be a solution to the lack of decent pvp in eve because you cant lose anything and therefore pvp on the test server will always be dull. Also skills on the test server are always behind skills on the main server + there is a shortage of tech 2 equipment etc that you would want to use in combat.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.10.02 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Well, there is always singularity, the test server... PVP in Eve is not so much about beating the opposition, but to face danger and survive it. Stronger enemies are a threat to survive if you're the weaker party in hostile space. I'd say fair fights are pretty dull, because alot of satisfaction is lost if you win but have many casualties, and losing a fair fight just has an annoying feeling all over you that you messed up. You must either win perfectly, or be totally owned, in order to enjoy a fight fully in Eve.
Actually i find the most fun fights are vs tough opponents where it is a really close adrenaline pumping battle. There is absolutely no fun in just ganking somebody with much greater numbers or just sitting in a bs target jammed waiting for your armor to run out...
Also there is nothing to say that you couldnt enter the arena 3 vs 2, for instance if you wanted a real challenge...
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.10.02 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: ShadowlordUK
What EVE has always needed and continues to need is some kind of PVP ARENA.
NO. Just... no.
It's wrong.
Everything in eve regarding the environment and physics can be attributed to backstory and has an RP side to back it up.
This is just ludacris.
It's not Quake. It's not WoW. It's not Guild Wars. Leave it alone.
Eve is different. Non-consentual PvP is what makes Eve so versatile, and gives it such a rich, and dangerous environment.
You can actually lose things fighting in Eve, even against NPC's which is what adds to the atmosphere.
People need to stop asking for silly things that have no bearing on direction of the game, it's inhabitants and it's evolution.
CCP created Eve, and here they are god. They decide what goes and what doesn't. Let them decide how what is essentially their game evolves.
"Consentual PvP" on tranquility is a joke.
If you want consentual PvP, log into Sisi and head for PF-346.
A roleplay reason could easily be made up to support a single arena in the middle of eve. Hey what about entertainment for the masses supported by a built up jealousy of all those arrogant pod pilots!
Having a single arena in eve would in no way stop the rest of the pvp in eve from happening...
You would naturally be able to lose stuff in an arena of course otherwise there would be no point to it.
And of course heading on to sisi is obviously a pretty poor suggestion as mentioned before..
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.10.02 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
what people miss out, is that the "hunt" is a big part of pvp, and in finding an adversary, you have proven your pvp skill.
It is also, at times, more enjoyable than the battle itself.
Hey there thought you'd quit eve?
I was suggesting the arena as another facet of pvp that could add to the eve experience, not some kind of replacement for the pvp that is already there.
Tbh i've had great fun hunting down pirates in zealots in the past, but in no way can i claim any kind of skill in the kill. We simply outnumbered the opponent and camped his home system.
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upsideup
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Posted - 2005.10.02 22:59:00 -
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Virtually all pvp would take place within that arena. Part of what people love about eve is that the pvp means something. When the alliances duke it out and blob eachother, alliances and corp actually fall apart. People go out into 0.0 because they want to fight, they want to fight FOR their territory. If you allow people to simply wait in line at an arena, you destroy the value of the fight, it becomes completely based upon entertainment. While the game itself is based on entertainment, what makes the pvp so amazing is thats its tied to more, accomplishment. The hunt, the warping around, the cat and mouse. That is whats its all about. That is what separates this game from mindless bash eachother up fests.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.10.02 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: upsideup
Edited by: upsideup on 02/10/2005 23:01:55
Virtually all pvp would take place within that arena. Part of what people love about eve is that the pvp means something. When the alliances duke it out and blob eachother, alliances and corp actually fall apart. People go out into 0.0 because they want to fight, they want to fight FOR their territory. If you allow people to simply wait in line at an arena, you destroy the value of the fight, it becomes completely based upon entertainment. While the game itself is based on entertainment, what makes the pvp so amazing is thats its tied to more, accomplishment. The hunt, the warping around, the cat and mouse. That is whats its all about. That is what separates this game from mindless bash eachother up fests.
The sheer complexity of game mechanics and the knowledge required to outsmart and trap your opponent is the true skill involved the pvp. If you are unable to do that I suggest you look for a more experienced corp. TBH, the only way for a person to really succeed in pvp at first is to be taught.
I severely doubt all the alliences in the game would stop claiming space in 0.0 just because there is an opportunity to actually have some decent fights in an arena .
As mentioned before, the idea of an arena would be an addition to eve and would in no way replace any of the pvp going on already. You cant really think people you are at war with will happily join an arena so you can kill them lol
There are many ways to succeed at pvp in eve at the moment (some of which i have listed in my first post) and unfortunately very few of them require any kind of skill or training lol.
I admit if your entire motivation in this game is to collect killmails (as seems to be the case with some people) then an arena would not appeal to you. But i believe there are a lot of bored pvp'ers out there right now who would really enjoy the opportunity to fight it out with other veterans...
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.02 23:35:00 -
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If there was an arena in eve, the point of eve would become winning in this arena. It would remove the point of the rest of the pvp in eve, as it would be "tainted" by possible imbalance as compared to this arena. The point of the game would be to become the champion, etc etc. The rest of eve would no longer matter, we'd have essentially created counter strike in space.
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.10.02 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
We fight outnumbered all the time and still come out on top 99.999% of the time. Ppl will no doubt flame this post, but until you've faught with us you have no idea what your talking about.
Hm, the 0.0001% being us?
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While a system like this could be fun, there is another solution to the huge lack of "fair" fights. The trick is to engage in unfair fights. Unfair to you that is. This sort of fight is easily the most satisfying to win.
/signed
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