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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
172
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:31:00 -
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What would attract people to the game apart from the terrible human interaction like massive thefts, burn jita etc
People are not going to be attracted to the game over awesome stories of mining in highsec or building hulks with max efficiency blueprints. |
Angang Ostus
Shooting Red Crosses
68
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:32:00 -
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Right now you have EVE divided into two worlds: 1) Everybody just going about their business in high sec, and 2) Tear harvesting outside high sec. Some deep blue spots in 0.0 mix the two. With the new changes to industry the alliances will become more independent of high sec and be better able to support larger populations, which will lead to more null bears in 0.0. This will bring about more balances communities instead of Carebear Land and Pirate Land as we have it now, which will in turn lead to an evolution of the community and player interactions. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
794
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:36:00 -
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Angang Ostus wrote:Right now you have EVE divided into two worlds: 1) Everybody just going about their business in high sec, and 2) Tear harvesting outside high sec. Some deep blue spots in 0.0 mix the two. With the new changes to industry the alliances will become more independent of high sec and be better able to support larger populations, which will lead to more null bears in 0.0. This will bring about more balances communities instead of Carebear Land and Pirate Land as we have it now, which will in turn lead to an evolution of the community and player interactions.
I hope you don't have a plans for a career in sales. I won't say any of this statement is "wrong", but it is about the ugliest presentation of a collection of somewhat truths that I have seen in a while. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7736
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:37:00 -
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History is full of failed MMOs that saw exponential short-term growth followed by a catastrophic collapse.
mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1571
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:41:00 -
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John Stuward wrote:silens vesica wrote:
]We like it this way(tm).
CCP seems happy enough with it, too.
CCP "Seems" happy. Knowing that the world they created has been infested by the worst society has and they can't do anything about it because it's the majority... they act happy.
So - you can read minds, and tell when they're 'faking it?'  That can't be good for your self confidence...
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4107
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:45:00 -
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You do realize that whenever a story of epic intrigue, betrayal, and general skullduggery impossible to attain in any other game hits the gaming media it is usually followed with a sharp spike in new subscriptions right?
Even players that have no desire to play the bad guy still want to be part of a game where it is possible to do so.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7736
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:45:00 -
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Also the stories of heists and huge fights that destroy tens of thousands of dollars' worth of stuff only turn away the people who have no business in EVE. If you instead read a story about a guy who plays some space MMO by pressing a button on his ice mining ship every hour, would that have you throwing money at your monitor?
mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Northern Misfit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.05.02 17:49:00 -
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Obligatory, welcome to the sandbox. If you don't like playing with others feel free to unsub, otherwise pick up a shovel and help us finish building the universe.
Ship Replacement Program, Medals Officer, RvB Den Mother,-ákeeper of the hand-cuffs and whip
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Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
40
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:05:00 -
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It's a game son. Don't get too het up about it. |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
28
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:06:00 -
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Jake Tzestu wrote:Is EVE growing or are older players running more multi account setups.
I would like to see a CCP stat for how many of those 500k subs are multi accounts.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
671
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:09:00 -
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Contact added for a random Gank.
"Also, your boobs " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Seldom Seldin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:21:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:John Stuward wrote:It's not easy to pull in new pilots when they are being preyed upon by people who want an easy target... And yet they still manage to do it. Building the player base steadily for ten years. TEN FRIKKIN' YEARS!!!! How many other games can say that? Mr Epeen 
Exactly. A month after launch the biggest rats were in cruisers and my agent was asking me to fill my state of the art MOA with literal **** and haul it. When most MMO's would have died EVE has grown, EVE has come a long way since launch.
I won't go so far as to say EVE is a good game, but it's the only game of its kind on the market. The moment EVE starts to be like other games is the day EVE will truly die. |
Jake Tzestu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:22:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Jake Tzestu wrote:Is EVE growing or are older players running more multi account setups.
I would like to see a CCP stat for how many of those 500k subs are multi accounts. What you are looking for is how many unique IP addresses are associated with the number of accounts they say they have.
Something like that.... What i would like to know is how many ppl are playing not how many subs they are getting. They have said they now have 500k active subs but how many of that 500k are actual individual people.
I run 3 accounts so depending on how they word it 500k could mean 499,998 gamers.
Its no biggy i'm just the curious type.
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
1106
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:30:00 -
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John Stuward wrote:It's not easy to pull in new pilots when they are being preyed upon by people who want an easy target, or the null sec blocks that paint such a negative image of EVE. Most of the things you hear about EVE are about all the terrible things we manage to do to each other while under the flag of Anon.
There are not many who wish to be part of the worst society has to offer.
There are the good, but they are massively over shadowed by the bad.
(This is an Alt, and this isnt how EVE should be... but it's all a matter of opinion, isnt it?)
Eeeeh, yes and no. Mostly no. And the part that is a yes, it so by design.
EVE, by design, discourages "fair" play, in the same way as many/most other MMOs encourage it.
What I mean is, you are far more likely to see a 20v1 fight in EVE than you are in most other MMOs. And this does turn people off. Compared to other MMOs that force a 2v2 or 10v10 or 40v40 and limit things by equipment levels. Some games are DESIGNED to be a fair, balanced test of skill. EVE is designed to let people do what they want, and basic human nature takes over.
So are players to blame? Sure. But if you took any other game's player base and took away the rules preventing them from acting like hairless apes, they'd start behaving in exactly the same way as they do in EVE. And that's why those other games likely have player bases measuring in the millions, while EVE barely clawed its way up to 500k after 10 years, and most of those are probably alt accounts anyway.
Bottom line - to each their own. Some people like to have someone put on stiletto heels and stomp on their nether regions. Just because it's not for you, doesn't mean it's not for them. |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:34:00 -
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Someone got their **** blown up.
John Stuward wrote:
CCP "Seems" happy. Knowing that the world they created has been infested by the worst society has and they can't do anything about it because it's the majority... they act happy.
Troll or not, this prospect just cracks me the **** up.
Hilmar Veiger waved to the hooting masses of Fanfest from the stage and grinned, he turned and walked towards the edge of the stage, amongst the maelstrom of the crowd below, no one saw the single tear that rolled down his mottled viking cheek. One safely away from the hated mob of players he had come to loathe, a single stuttering sigh escaped his exhausted frame, slowly he withdrew his wallet from his pocket. His hand shaking now, he withdrew a single business card. His contstant reminder of the monster he created and the game that should have been but never was: "Eve Online: Bible Stories in Space".
Where had it all gone wrong? The card burned into his hand like it always did as he replaced it back into the sacred depths of his wallet, amongst all of the filthy sinful kr+¦na he had earned from the venture and drew a long laboured breath and he regained his composure. No one saw him as he looked skywards "Forgeef theym loard. Theyee no not whaat theyee doo"....
TMC Senior Developer
http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2711
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:36:00 -
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Dropped some ISK on a noob the other day because I didn't need it. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1572
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:40:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:Someone got their **** blown up. John Stuward wrote:
CCP "Seems" happy. Knowing that the world they created has been infested by the worst society has and they can't do anything about it because it's the majority... they act happy.
Troll or not, this prospect just cracks me the **** up. Hilmar Veiger waved to the hooting masses of Fanfest from the stage and grinned, he turned and walked towards the edge of the stage, amongst the maelstrom of the crowd below, no one saw the single tear that rolled down his mottled viking cheek. Once he felt safely seperated from that hated mob of players, pirates and fat neckbeards he had come to loathe, a single stuttering sigh escaped his exhausted frame, slowly he withdrew his wallet from his pocket. His hand shaking, he withdrew a single business card. The devil on his shoulder, his constant reminder of the monstrosity he created and the game that should have been... but never was: "Eve Online: Bible Stories in Space".
Where had it all gone wrong? The card burned into his hand like it always did as he replaced it back into the sacred depths of his wallet, amongst all of the filthy sinful kr+¦na he had earned from the venture and drew a long laboured breath and he regained his composure. No one saw him as he looked skywards "Forgeef theym loard. Theyee no not whaat theyee doo"....
Brilliant.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Zedutchman
Bluewater Industries
Gold Star Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:40:00 -
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It's a cold hard world and Eve is a cold hard game.
There's always someone wanting to blow up your mining barge with a battleship. Not because it'll make them money, but simply because they can.
That's the fun of it though.
What makes eve so bloody awful is exactly what makes it so fun. The sense that if someone really wants to screw you over there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. It makes anything you can accomplish grimly satisfying.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1703
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:46:00 -
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Augustine Artrald wrote:Zak Breen wrote:From my (shoddy) experience the main reason why new people quit is because EVE isn't a short-term game to play. It takes months if not years to actually get anything out of it. Are you saying this is a good thing? Honestly, if it takes months, years, or, hell, even a week for someone to get "anything" out of something, that person should probably look elsewhere for entertainment.
Good, that means they aren't EVE material.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1926
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:53:00 -
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John Stuward wrote:It's not easy to pull in new pilots when they are being preyed upon by people who want an easy target, or the null sec blocks that paint such a negative image of EVE. Most of the things you hear about EVE are about all the terrible things we manage to do to each other while under the flag of Anon.
There are not many who wish to be part of the worst society has to offer.
There are the good, but they are massively over shadowed by the bad.
(This is an Alt, and this isnt how EVE should be... but it's all a matter of opinion, isnt it?)
I have a message for you from CCP: HTFU
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
9070
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:57:00 -
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John Stuward wrote:Malcanis wrote:John Stuward wrote:It's not easy to pull in new pilots when they are being preyed upon by people who want an easy target, or the null sec blocks that paint such a negative image of EVE. Most of the things you hear about EVE are about all the terrible things we manage to do to each other while under the flag of Anon.
There are not many who wish to be part of the worst society has to offer.
There are the good, but they are massively over shadowed by the bad.
(This is an Alt, and this isnt how EVE should be... but it's all a matter of opinion, isnt it?) You're welcome to your opinion, but it's a matter of fact that EVE is growing. So we're not stopping it. After 10 years, this is how Far EVE has gotten? I'd call it stable before I'd call it growing. Any growth it has is nothing compared to what it could have if the community was better.
Well I'm sorry you don't like facts; admittedly they are often inconvenient to our favourite opinions - but EVE is growing faster than it ever has.
Perhaps you might enjoy this article: http://themittani.com/features/violent-video-games-anecdotes-fanfest-2013
1 Kings 12:11
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1704
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:58:00 -
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What i don't get is why people always harp on "more subs". What will more people do?
Are the ship buidlers running out of people to buy ships? Are buy orders going forever unfilled , are sell orders just sitting and waiting forever in Jita. Are their no kills going on anywhere? No missions or Incursions of Plexes being run?
What, EXACTLY do you think you'll get from more people subscribing to EVE online. And yea, it's a pretty rhetorical question because most sensible people know that you really won't get all the things you think you will if more people sub or more new players stay instead of quit. But I wouldn't mind actually hearing the "reasons".
A game that has survived 10 years, if fairly exclusive and is still slowly growing seems great to me. What problem is so big only 9 million more subscribers can fix it? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2426
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:02:00 -
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...? Is the tl;dr; here that "EvE is dying?"
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
9070
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: What problem is so big only 9 million more subscribers can fix it?
"Boo hoo I don't like the fact that I might lose something I need more people to agree with me"
1 Kings 12:11
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Rhivre
TarNec
96
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:04:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:. What problem is so big only 9 million more subscribers can fix it?
I for one am not satisfied until we have Pandas in Stations.
I suspect only 9 million more subs will cause this to happen.
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John Stuward
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Augustine Artrald wrote:Zak Breen wrote:From my (shoddy) experience the main reason why new people quit is because EVE isn't a short-term game to play. It takes months if not years to actually get anything out of it. Are you saying this is a good thing? Honestly, if it takes months, years, or, hell, even a week for someone to get "anything" out of something, that person should probably look elsewhere for entertainment. Good, that means they aren't EVE material.
People say "They weren't meant for EVE" or "They aren't EVE material" as if it was a good thing. But do we really want to scare away the new and exciting and keep the old and bitter? Sure, EVE is something that appeals to a certain type, but for now it seems the vast majority are the types that take pride in the pain of others. Pride yourself as much as you want on that, but in the end, it's doing nothing but dragging everything down with you.
I've been here for about a year and a half, but I'd like to think that all my time of avoiding piracy and trying to go about things in a peaceful manner goes to show we can be better than what the majority has shown us to be. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:06:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:The devil on his shoulder, his constant reminder of the monstrosity he created and the game that should have been... but never was: "Eve Online: Bible Stories in Space".
Where had it all gone wrong?
Anyone who thinks the bible is filled with sunshine and happy fun times for all, has obviously never read it.
I joined EvE to violence other people's boats in an environment, where the punishment for failure constitutes more than a 30 second respawn timer. It delivers.
There is no need for catering to the masses for exponential growth. The masses are fickle and have short attention spans. It takes constant revolutionary new ideas and heavy financial backing to even attempt to stay ahead of their whims and keep them as active subscribers. The great thing about a niche product, is the few potential customers who buy into it, stick around for years if not decades. Those are the people EvE needs to cater to. That is why EvE will continue to exist and grow, until someone with a really fat wallet manages to do it better. But (un?)fortunately, most such games with potential lack funding and go the way of Shadowbane.
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Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
608
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:06:00 -
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Seriously, how is this thread not already locked, for the OPs troll post? It's a pretty obvious shiptoast attempt to rustle jimmies, all the while being completely ignorant of the fact that all the 'terrible bad things that go on', are actually a major draw of players to the game for the last, oh, 10 years?
It's no wonder the OP posted with an alt, a longstanding tradition of small children who are afraid of any consequences to their stupidity.
Post with your main or GTFO. |
John Stuward
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:08:00 -
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Gogela wrote:...? Is the tl;dr; here that "EvE is dying?"
No, the purpose of the thread was not to state "EVE is dying." Far from. But neither is it at any state of real growth. |
John Stuward
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.02 19:11:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Seriously, how is this thread not already locked, for the OPs troll post? It's a pretty obvious shiptoast attempt to rustle jimmies, all the while being completely ignorant of the fact that all the 'terrible bad things that go on', are actually a major draw of players to the game for the last, oh, 10 years?
It's no wonder the OP posted with an alt, a longstanding tradition of small children who are afraid of any consequences to their stupidity.
Post with your main or GTFO.
The point of the post was not to "troll", but to state a opinion and gather comments on the matter. Though no real question was stated in the First post, it has garnered some interesting (Mostly not) replies. Some are thought provoking, while others are expected from this particular community. |
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