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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:55:00 -
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The plates don't self-repair and don't add any resistances. They're just plates of metal bolted to a ship. Why do they require more power than almost any other module? |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:57:00 -
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Kern Hotha wrote:The plates don't self-repair and don't add any resistances. They're just plates of metal bolted to a ship. Why do they require more power than almost any other module?
Easy. For game balance. |
Thomas Orca
Intaki Armaments
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:57:00 -
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1600mm plates on frigs is balanced. |
YesI'mWatching
Cool4Cats
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Posted - 2011.10.18 20:57:00 -
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I would have 1600 tungston on rifter |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:02:00 -
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Mass. You need extra power from the grid to expand the warp field to include/handle the mass of the plates.
"Because they're magic" would also have been an acceptable answer.
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:04:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Mass. You need extra power from the grid to expand the warp field to include/handle the mass of the plates.
"Because they're magic" would also have been an acceptable answer.
How about "they're not bolted on, they're held on by giant space magnets"?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:19:00 -
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Do you have any idea how much it takes to feed the heating elements required to keep 1600mm worth of tungsten from frosting up and ruining the paintwork?!
500MW, that's how much!
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2011.10.18 21:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Do you have any idea how much it takes to feed the heating elements required to keep 1600mm worth of tungsten from frosting up and ruining the paintwork?!
500MW, that's how much!
I accept this as the correct answer. My curiosity is sated.
As you might guess, I was complaining about the powergrid/CPU method of restricting modules. A fitting system that restricted modules based upon mass (like Mechwarrior) would be more agreeable, in my opinion. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.18 22:03:00 -
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Mechwarrior fitting was determined by mass and critical slots. Mass and volume, powergrid/CPU - they're all arbitrary ways to have two different attributes contribute to fitting to allow variety.
It's a game, not to be hostile but if you find the semantics of fitting limitations disagreeable there are much much more egregious things to get worked up about, like the whole non-newtonian flight mechanics thing. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.18 22:22:00 -
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It requires a certain amount of power to move your ship through space. The more mass you apply to it, the more of your powergrid will be consumed by propulsion. The armor doesn't directly consume the power, but that power is not available elsewhere either.
Basically, mass directly affects powergrid, and so the two can be treated as the same thing for the same of simpler game mechanics.
Does that work for you? |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.18 22:48:00 -
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How do you know it's bolted on.
For all you know it's being welded on as you fly around.
Or it's held in place by very powerful electro magnets.
Or you have Magneto from the X-Men on board to hold it in place, and you know how much power HE likes....
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:53:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Kern Hotha wrote:The plates don't self-repair and don't add any resistances. They're just plates of metal bolted to a ship. Why do they require more power than almost any other module? Easy. For game balance.
If you really want to balance you start limiting the use by ship type.
Ex:
50 to 200 - no limit
400 to 800 cruiser/battle cruiser and above
1600 battleship only
Balance is about taking decisions, not avoid them. |
Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:04:00 -
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Except that many battlecruiser fittings rely on a 1600mm plate. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:49:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:Except that many battlecruiser fittings rely on a 1600mm plate.
Yes, that's why it's not "balanced" some can others don't.
Limiting the module type per ship type is nothing new, do you see battle cruisers with BS sized guns? -no
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MukkBarovian
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:06:00 -
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How often do you see an armor tanked Battlecruiser? Quite a bit less often than an armor tanked cruiser. Then compare to the number of Vagas, Cynabals, and Drakes running around. Armor ships don't need a nerf. Having more EHP than the shield counterparts is a feature of the design. And people still prefer to fly cruiser/bc shield ships because they handle better.
Stop spewing stupid. 1600mm Rifter stupid. 800mm Harbinger stupid. Stupid Stupid Stupid |
Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:11:00 -
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Hmm,
lets see,
I'll bring my triple plated cane and lets see who wins. Game balance dude. Game balance.
Games can only go so far with realism before aspects develop unfair advantages over others in the game.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:38:00 -
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Satav wrote:Hmm,
lets see,
I'll bring my triple plated cane and lets see who wins. Game balance dude. Game balance.
Games can only go so far with realism before aspects develop unfair advantages over others in the game.
I can think of plenty of fits that would wipe the floor with a triple-plated anything |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:39:00 -
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It's energised plating. And it's used as a gigantic heat sink for waste heat. No conduction or convection in space, y'know. |
MukkBarovian
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:47:00 -
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Sure I'll fight a triple plated whatever. Drop by lgk-vp anytime. |
Aesiron
Squadron 1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:03:00 -
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Kern Hotha wrote:The plates don't self-repair and don't add any resistances. They're just plates of metal bolted to a ship. Why do they require more power than almost any other module?
There is no scientific explanation.
But the reasoning is for Active Tanking, so that there isn't just Passive Tanking and Reppers. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:13:00 -
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1600mm fits aren't even for BS/BC only, much less BS only : / |
Le'Mon Tichim
The Baseborn Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:49:00 -
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Something to do with the extra power needed to move that extra mass? I mean, if you armor plate a car, your mpg/kmh goes throught the floorboard, so maybe alongside balancing them, it's a representation of the extra power being diverted just for them. |
Kamden Line
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:20:00 -
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Le'Mon Tichim wrote:Something to do with the extra power needed to move that extra mass? I mean, if you armor plate a car, your mpg/kmh goes throught the floorboard, so maybe alongside balancing them, it's a representation of the extra power being diverted just for them.
This argument makes sense on Earth.....and also in EVE space since ships are techinally flying through an engine representing water and not the mostly empty expanses of space.
Now, if this were like actual space, this argument would make no sense: The only thing that would significantly change is how much thrust one would need to move all the extra mass.
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Kazia Fey
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
EISENFAUST.
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Posted - 2011.10.20 09:08:00 -
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Kern Hotha wrote:
As you might guess, I was complaining about the powergrid/CPU method of restricting modules. A fitting system that restricted modules based upon mass (like Mechwarrior) would be more agreeable, in my opinion.
Then go play that. |
rampro
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:52:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Satav wrote:Hmm,
lets see,
I'll bring my triple plated cane and lets see who wins. Game balance dude. Game balance.
Games can only go so far with realism before aspects develop unfair advantages over others in the game. I can think of plenty of fits that would wipe the floor with a triple-plated anything
Triple plated Drake? |
Neoshark
Magnificent Bastards.
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:51:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Aamrr wrote:Except that many battlecruiser fittings rely on a 1600mm plate. Yes, that's why it's not "balanced" some can others don't. Limiting the module type per ship type is nothing new, do you see battle cruisers with BS sized guns? -no
ULTIMATE(n+ƒ-ön+ƒ)S+ëS+ëMALLER would like to disagree with you. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:19:00 -
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Neoshark wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Aamrr wrote:Except that many battlecruiser fittings rely on a 1600mm plate. Yes, that's why it's not "balanced" some can others don't. Limiting the module type per ship type is nothing new, do you see battle cruisers with BS sized guns? -no ULTIMATE(n+ƒ-ön+ƒ)S+ëS+ëMALLER would like to disagree with you.
Really?
You should fit civilian mods, they rocks  |
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