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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:11:00 -
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I believe the OP is talking about centrifugal force.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Winterblink
I believe the OP is talking about centrifugal force.
Physicists around the world are turning in their .. centrifuges.
I think the correct term is centripetal force.
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:20:00 -
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I'm scared. Can we just go play EvE now? Pretty please with suggar and icing on top? 
-AK
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Winterblink
I believe the OP is talking about centrifugal force.
Physicists around the world are turning in their .. centrifuges.
I think the correct term is centripetal force.
Here's a read for you then :)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Here's a read for you then :)
I know they're the same thing but physicists tend to scowl at "centrifugal force" ^^.
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Daigon
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:26:00 -
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/emote head explodes
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I know they're the same thing but physicists tend to scowl at "centrifugal force" ^^.
Yeah, so? :)
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ggggrrrrr
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:30:00 -
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Centipede Force yaaaaarrrrrr
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 03/10/2005 18:29:50
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Nyphur
I know they're the same thing but physicists tend to scowl at "centrifugal force" ^^.
Yeah, so? :)
So I bet Newton is spinning in his grave! .. linked to a dynamo to power the eve servers.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: ggggrrrrr
Centipede Force yaaaaarrrrrr
hahahahhaaa. I have no idea why this made me laugh so much ^^
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:32:00 -
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Capsicum walks away, content that her work is done 
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
So I bet Newton is spinning in his grave! .. linked to a dynamo to power the eve servers.
Anyway, if you read the article you'll see they're actually two separate forces, each acting opposite to the other.
The real question is, how do Minmatar interceptors stay in one piece? One can only theorize that they've invented some kind of super duct tape.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Capsicum
Capsicum walks away, content that her work is done
B-b-but... nobody was banned. No sigs were deleted for being too big. And worse yet, we can still reply to the thread.
This has to be some kind of headfake...
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Nyphur
So I bet Newton is spinning in his grave! .. linked to a dynamo to power the eve servers.
Anyway, if you read the article you'll see they're actually two separate forces, each acting opposite to the other.
It's like tension in a rope. There's equal tension working either way, but they're both still the same force. Either word tends to do, unless you talk to a physicist, who will kill you in the name of correctness and feast on your brains to gain your intelligence.
Originally by: Winterblink
The real question is, how do Minmatar interceptors stay in one piece? One can only theorize that they've invented some kind of super duct tape.
Legos! \o/
Originally by: Capsicum
Capsicum walks away, content that her work is done
You're female? O_o
There's another female mod besides Eris? :o
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
It's like tension in a rope. There's equal tension working either way, but they're both still the same force. Either word tends to do, unless you talk to a physicist, who will kill you in the name of correctness and feast on your brains to gain your intelligence.
He will be annihilated, as nobody can contain my intelligence. None but I.
Originally by: Capsicum
You're female? O_o
There's another female mod besides Eris? :o
A girl? A REAL girl? Here? No wonder there's no real physicists around.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Capsicum
You're female? O_o
There's another female mod besides Eris? :o
A girl? A REAL girl? Here? No wonder there's no real physicists around.
I'm a computer scientist. Do I count? I'm ALMOST a physicist :D.
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Capsicum
You're female? O_o
There's another female mod besides Eris? :o
A girl? A REAL girl? Here? No wonder there's no real physicists around.
I'm a computer scientist. Do I count? I'm ALMOST a physicist :D.
Almost doesn't count.
-AK
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Kynes
Almost doesn't count.
-AK
By logical definition, therefore, it counts \o/.
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2005.10.03 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Capsicum
Capsicum walks away, content that her work is done
B-b-but... nobody was banned. No sigs were deleted for being too big. And worse yet, we can still reply to the thread.
This has to be some kind of headfake...
Now then :) don't be a meanie
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.10.03 19:38:00 -
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The whole acceleration thing is a non-issue.
Most of the ships in eve have all or most of their engines grouped in one area way off the center of mass (well, volume, but just look at the tormentor and tell me it can fly straight).
Heck, do you think its possible for a taranis to fly straight? its center of thrust is waaaay of the center of mass, unless you make it fly at angle.
Since those ships will never do more than spin round and round, theyll never produce enough acceleration to make you spill your cake.
Do you think its casual that eris' pink dread is one of the few ships that could fly straight? And she likes cookies! it all makes perfect sense! Think about it man, its all a conspiracy, and it centers about cake and cookies. and milk. under strong acceleration. yeah. the actions of mods here are just the final piece in the puzzle! misinformation!
>.>
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i must leave now, theyre after me, i can tell... viva la cake revolucion! o/
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Fight against the filo-communist t2 monopolies! Down with CCCP's one-week plan! Viva la revolucižn! o/
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.03 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Capsicum
Now then :) don't be a meanie
Oh Caps, you should know me by now, I'm a lover not a fighter. :)
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.10.03 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
I believe the OP is talking about centrifugal force.
Centripetal force - a centrifugal force is very rarely relevant.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.10.03 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Winterblink
I believe the OP is talking about centrifugal force.
Physicists around the world are turning in their .. centrifuges.
I think the correct term is centripetal force.
The correct term is "inertia."
It's just easier to describe what is happening as a force throwing you off. There is no such force inm reality.
what there is in EVE, is anyone's guess 
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.10.03 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Capsicum
G Force is the force of acceleration due to gravity ...
Wikipedia is very informative ...
But , I bet it would be break-neck when there was gravity :)
Please stick to forum moderation.
Lateral acceleration is equal to (V^2)/R where R is the radius of the orbit path, V is the tangential speed of the craft.
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2005.10.03 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
The whole acceleration thing is a non-issue.
Most of the ships in eve have all or most of their engines grouped in one area way off the center of mass (well, volume, but just look at the tormentor and tell me it can fly straight).
Heck, do you think its possible for a taranis to fly straight? its center of thrust is waaaay of the center of mass, unless you make it fly at angle.
If we were moving in a medium that has large resistance (eg. water) relative to the thrust that would be correct. Although EVE acts in a lot of ways like that is the case... theoretically we're still dealing with space.
In space where there is little to no resistance it wouldn't matter where you place your engines (excpet for structural integrity), only the direction of thrust matters.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.10.03 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Taketa De
Originally by: keepiru
The whole acceleration thing is a non-issue.
Most of the ships in eve have all or most of their engines grouped in one area way off the center of mass (well, volume, but just look at the tormentor and tell me it can fly straight).
Heck, do you think its possible for a taranis to fly straight? its center of thrust is waaaay of the center of mass, unless you make it fly at angle.
If we were moving in a medium that has large resistance (eg. water) relative to the thrust that would be correct. Although EVE acts in a lot of ways like that is the case... theoretically we're still dealing with space.
In space where there is little to no resistance it wouldn't matter where you place your engines (excpet for structural integrity), only the direction of thrust matters.
So? If your center of mass is in position x, and your center of thrust is 25m below that - and like on the apocalypse, the thrust vector DOES NOT point towards the center of mass, the ship wont "fly" straight.
And because youre in space, you dont have the luxury of correcting such imbalances with control surfaces like you do, for example, on airliners.
If anything, eve ships are worse off for being in a no-resistance medium, for even a minute inbalance in the mass (and hence inertia) and thrust vectors will result in loss of control during acceleration.
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Fight against the filo-communist t2 monopolies! Down with CCCP's one-week plan! Viva la revolucižn! o/
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2005.10.03 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Capsicum
G Force is the force of acceleration due to gravity ...
Wikipedia is very informative ...
But , I bet it would be break-neck when there was gravity :)
Please stick to forum moderation.
Lateral acceleration is equal to (V^2)/R where R is the radius of the orbit path, V is the tangential speed of the craft.
Why did you have to go and spoil the fun ?
The opener was referring to the amout of g-force an interceptor would feel, orbitting a target.
To paraphrase, I pointed out, being in space, and most likely not close to a gravity well, the g-force you would feel, is none.
I *may* have posted off the top of my head, but the point is that we all had an entertaining and edifying chat
Please stick to playing EVE if you're going to be a negative ninny
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Taketa De
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Posted - 2005.10.03 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
So? If your center of mass is in position x, and your center of thrust is 25m below that - and like on the apocalypse, the thrust vector DOES NOT point towards the center of mass, the ship wont "fly" straight.
And because youre in space, you dont have the luxury of correcting such imbalances with control surfaces like you do, for example, on airliners.
If anything, eve ships are worse off for being in a no-resistance medium, for even a minute inbalance in the mass (and hence inertia) and thrust vectors will result in loss of control during acceleration.
As long as the direction of thrust is exactly pointing aways from where you want to go you should be fine in space.
If you had a lot of engines and they were all pointing towards the "center" you'd just be wasting a lot of energy and producing less thrust. (The vectors of the engine-thrust would be counteracting each other to some degree)
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.10.03 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
The whole acceleration thing is a non-issue.
Most of the ships in eve have all or most of their engines grouped in one area way off the center of mass (well, volume, but just look at the tormentor and tell me it can fly straight).
Heck, do you think its possible for a taranis to fly straight? its center of thrust is waaaay of the center of mass, unless you make it fly at angle.
Since those ships will never do more than spin round and round, theyll never produce enough acceleration to make you spill your cake.
Do you think its casual that eris' pink dread is one of the few ships that could fly straight? And she likes cookies! it all makes perfect sense! Think about it man, its all a conspiracy, and it centers about cake and cookies. and milk. under strong acceleration. yeah. the actions of mods here are just the final piece in the puzzle! misinformation!
>.>
<.<
i must leave now, theyre after me, i can tell... viva la cake revolucion! o/
Wrong...
You do not take the warp drive in count. It is installed into every ship in eve. Thats why most of the ships have their engines on "wrong" positions.
Actualy your warp drive is a small gravitation well. Thats why your ship slow down when your engines are not runing... it is a small "anchor" inside your ship. Your warp drive's core try to stay in place...
If your warp drive is not in the center of your ship (megathron apoc have it in the center.. nearly :) ) you will need extra thrust on the side where the core is located...
AM I THE BEST ??? 
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Ekscalybur
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Posted - 2005.10.03 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Taketa De
Originally by: keepiru
So? If your center of mass is in position x, and your center of thrust is 25m below that - and like on the apocalypse, the thrust vector DOES NOT point towards the center of mass, the ship wont "fly" straight.
And because youre in space, you dont have the luxury of correcting such imbalances with control surfaces like you do, for example, on airliners.
If anything, eve ships are worse off for being in a no-resistance medium, for even a minute inbalance in the mass (and hence inertia) and thrust vectors will result in loss of control during acceleration.
As long as the direction of thrust is exactly pointing aways from where you want to go you should be fine in space.
If you had a lot of engines and they were all pointing towards the "center" you'd just be wasting a lot of energy and producing less thrust. (The vectors of the engine-thrust would be counteracting each other to some degree)
Incorrect, the placement of thrust matters very much. We are still dealing with inertia here, and the thrust has to be applied to the whole structure evenly for it to fly straight. If you take a cube in space, and place an engine on the middle of one of the surfaces, it'll fly straight. If you move that engine to any of the corners, that thrust will be applied to that corner first (and then to the rest of the cube through the structure), and that corner will start moving. The cube may start moving in the vector you wanted to go in, but it will move only generally in that vector, while spinning wildly.
Now in Eve, they obviously have inertia modifiers on each of the ships. To alleviate the stresses of the insane acceleration some of them have, and to accomodate the offline thrust most of the ships have.
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