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Anyura Ministry of War Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.05.04 22:10:00 - [1] - Quote I am officially Done with exploration and combat sites. Time and again, I spend ages clearing a site only for some [expletive deleted] to show up in a goddamn T3 cruiser, steal the faction spawn and zip off. I can't tank an entire goddamn site in a battlecruiser or whatever piece of crap ship I manage to cobble together with the pathetic cashflow I have from radar sites and missions. So in a nutshell, how the hell do I manage to compete with some [expletive deleted] in an [adjective deleted] T3 cruiser? ..... Ok, I think I'm done ranting. Some objective input would be greatly valued as well as the usual "biomass character, gief stuff, delete EVE," etc.
Annunaki soldier Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio 72	Posted - 2013.05.04 22:17:00 - [2] - Quote can i have your stuff ? Ride hard, live with passion-á
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords 94	Posted - 2013.05.04 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote 2010 character that can't fly a tengu herself? Sounds like a troll.
Jazmyn Stone KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 108	Posted - 2013.05.04 23:12:00 - [4] - Quote Get a T3 Cruiser, then fit it with mods that will . . . . . . wait a sec, I broke a nail . . . . . . nm -Jaz
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1339	Posted - 2013.05.04 23:33:00 - [5] - Quote Get out of highsec
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 93	Posted - 2013.05.04 23:56:00 - [6] - Quote Annunaki soldier wrote: can i have your stuff ? And thus the scourage of the EVE universe presents itself.
Ludi Burek Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD 236	Posted - 2013.05.05 00:01:00 - [7] - Quote You need to put more effort into not being bad.
hellcane Never Back Down 6	Posted - 2013.05.05 00:07:00 - [8] - Quote How do you compete? Try harder. Or go to wow so you can get handouts
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 123	Posted - 2013.05.05 02:23:00 - [9] - Quote try moving to a less populated area, preferably in low/null. You'll find a lot less people are willing to ninjaloot you when there is a risk to losing their ship.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 10	Posted - 2013.05.05 02:24:00 - [10] - Quote Move to mining. Mine up the isk for a T3 / navy turret BS. Run incursions for a few days, make super shiny T3 o'doom for yourself.
Paikis Vapour Holdings 793	Posted - 2013.05.05 04:20:00 - [11] - Quote Stop. Being. Bad.
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1791	Posted - 2013.05.05 04:42:00 - [12] - Quote Paikis wrote: Stop. Being. Bad. ^this
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1200	Posted - 2013.05.05 04:47:00 - [13] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Paikis wrote: Stop. Being. Bad. ^this I would never empty quote an empty quote.
Tauranon Weeesearch 161	Posted - 2013.05.05 04:48:00 - [14] - Quote If there is a cruiser or probes on dscan move to the gates and shoot from there. If you are in last pocket kill overseer first. If tengu joins your bc at last gate mwd - yes mwd to overseer, turn safety off and don't shoot overseer until its clear you will get there in time. Most explorers have pimp items either in cargo or on ship and if go for the loot tag they get most of the pocket aggro. Nobody engages an angry bc over an unknown loot drop with pocket aggro in a t3, and almost no t3s have a point, so you can leave anyway.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 177	Posted - 2013.05.05 09:05:00 - [15] - Quote You're a pretty old character, if you don't know what to do at all in that situations and want to quit because of it, EvE is not for you, please go ahead.
l0rd carlos Friends Of Harassment 417	Posted - 2013.05.05 09:39:00 - [16] - Quote Fly in lowsec! German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1200	Posted - 2013.05.05 19:18:00 - [17] - Quote For some reason I'm in a more constructive mood today. So here goes. Option 1) Just get the hell out of Caldari space. No one is going to steal Blood Raider sites from you, for instance. Yes, I know Guristas have the best drops. Everyone knows that. So there's too much competition. Option 2) Try low sec. It's not nearly as frightening as it sounds. Higher risk, yes, but you can make a ton of cash that way. Option 3) Fit a point and fit to counter a Tengu. I'd probably suggest using a Loki for this but it's not the only option. Fun fact: exploration Tengus often drop better loot than overseers. In all honesty, people compete with the flocks of Tengus in high sec every day. When a GSO gets competed, Tengus usually win. But they don't always get there and the sites respawn more or less instantly; it's just a matter of finding another one. And as for lousy money from missions: well. Sorry, but that's simply not true. You should easily be able to fund your own Tengu based on mission income if you care to do so.
Auduin Samson Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact 38	Posted - 2013.05.06 01:34:00 - [18] - Quote Every ship and mod I've bought since I started running L4 missions has been paid for by said L4 missions. If you can't afford to get a decent ship with mission isk, you're doing something wrong.
Noztra Ernaga m o t i o n 1	Posted - 2013.05.06 08:26:00 - [19] - Quote I used to have no problems scanning down and blitzing 4/10 DED in an all-in-one passive Drake = ordinary BC. On top of that you've got drones to clear those annoying frigates faster than the Tengu. Please, try to get better instead of insulting other people. What about L4 missions and income..., I am curious how you could call that pathetic, to properly fly an ordinary Raven is two months of skilling or so. I will not ask for your stuff, because you probably have none then
Kiithid Soban The Deacon Group 0	Posted - 2013.05.06 08:48:00 - [20] - Quote I usually use a Harpy for my Caldari Explo, and a Tengu when I'm not. I get 'Tengu'd' daily in both, it's fairly simple to beat one in 3/10-4/10 DEDs. Just ignore him and take the loot regardless of who scores the final hit. Not many explo fit Tengus are fit to intercept an Assault Frigate or another Tengu in my experience. In Amarr space, for instance, you will almost never be bothered by another Tengu and still be able to surmount a fairly good amount of loot by the end of the day. Level 4 Cashflow has bought most of my ships in my career in Eve, albeit there are better ways to make money in this game, it certainly isn't the worst. It's all about efficiency there. Cheers
Anyura Ministry of War Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.05.06 09:05:00 - [21] - Quote Thanks for the advice and derisive comments! I'm leaning towards the idea of getting out of high sec and heading into low. The Drake idea is a pretty good one - my shield skills are slightly better than my armour tanking ones. Upon further analysis, I think I found another issue with my most recent tenguing. Two words - Blaster. Brutix. -.-
Oska Rus Free Ice Cream People 13	Posted - 2013.05.06 11:14:00 - [22] - Quote Tengus might look impressive. But there is nothing enough domies cant achieve.
Bloody Wench 328	Posted - 2013.05.06 11:46:00 - [23] - Quote Is there a reason you can't just ninja loot the NPC? Couple of neuts, couple sensor damps -range and a long point, tengu is no match. Then you can be all like 'yeah go on shoot me I fuckin dare you' I DOUBLE DARE YOU ************ Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack
Tauranon Weeesearch 161	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:28:00 - [24] - Quote Anyura wrote: Thanks for the advice and derisive comments! I'm leaning towards the idea of getting out of high sec and heading into low. The Drake idea is a pretty good one - my shield skills are slightly better than my armour tanking ones. Upon further analysis, I think I found another issue with my most recent tenguing. Two words - Blaster. Brutix. -.- I have actually done this, and it works - tengu came out of warp from the first gate about 2 seconds ahead of me, and then my fat little brutix picked up its skirts and mwd-d right past him and he didn't figure out what was going on and never did shut off his launchers, so I blapped the scope as soon as I got there with him miles away. I went suspect and had the loot with him out of scram range anyway, so he could never have prevented me leaving (given the ab vs mwd speed advantage I had). If I had have been in a myrmidon though, I would simply have blapped the first pocket, looted the overseer and already have been in the second pocket halfway to the scope before the tengu even got in there - a blaster brutix (at least with the expeanded launcher to mess up the fit) is just fundamentally bad at gurista 4/10s, because the npcs won't come to it, and the first pocket has to be cleared - ie its a fun idea but it -causes- tengus to catch up to you.
Copper Rei Copper Corp 31	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:35:00 - [25] - Quote I guess I am missing it but I don't see why the post involved tengus or why the negative focus is on tengus. The fact that the thief was in a tengu does not have anything to do with your complaint of being ripped off of your deserved loots. People have been ninja thieving stuff long before the T3 was even a design concept. T3 ships will end up being nerfed into worthlessness if confused persons continue to post idiotic statements such as this post. Try a different title like, "Waaa, they stole my stuff!"
Tauranon Weeesearch 161	Posted - 2013.05.06 12:50:00 - [26] - Quote Copper Rei wrote: I guess I am missing it but I don't see why the post involved tengus or why the negative focus is on tengus. The fact that the thief was in a tengu does not have anything to do with your complaint of being ripped off of your deserved loots. People have been ninja thieving stuff long before the T3 was even a design concept. T3 ships will end up being nerfed into worthlessness if confused persons continue to post idiotic statements such as this post. Try a different title like, "Waaa, they stole my stuff!" The best tengu fit already got nerfed, and as we've pointed out, the standard exploration all-in-one tengu isn't actually a very good racer, it just happens to tank vs shield enemies very well, and exploration (isk wise) is slanted towards shield enemies. However the long period of tengu superiority means that most fast explorers are in tengus, so the person that overruns some noob in a cruiser is almost certainly going to be someone in a tengu who knows the encounter and blitzes whatever can be blitzed - it is just what you happen to see if you are slow - odds are that the blitzer that comes to steal the loots is in a tengu.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1203	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:46:00 - [27] - Quote Oska Rus wrote: Tengus might look impressive. But there is nothing enough domies cant achieve. Except squeezing into 4/10s, right? Because, you know, that's what the thread is about. Anyura wrote: Thanks for the advice and derisive comments! I'm leaning towards the idea of getting out of high sec and heading into low. The Drake idea is a pretty good one - my shield skills are slightly better than my armour tanking ones. Upon further analysis, I think I found another issue with my most recent tenguing. Two words - Blaster. Brutix. -.- There ya go. At least you've more or less identified the problem and several solutions. And yeah, try low. You might like it.
Lady Naween Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 132	Posted - 2013.05.07 02:53:00 - [28] - Quote What Zhilia Mann said really. The moment I left caldari space all those many years ago was the turning point for me as far as PVE is concerned. It is just too crowded, sure it is good space but.. too crowded for my taste. The time I spent competing for sites back then didnt make up for the better drops I would get really compared to finding a nice quiet spot of space that wasnt overfarmed. Second big change was when I with trembling paws headed into lowsec, and found .. empty systems.. It really isnt hard with the help of dotlan and ingame browser to find out when the locals are usually online in the various systems. is lowsec more dangerous? yes but it is also a hell of a lot more FUN and profitable. Start by taking something cheap out, to get the hang on it, and remind yourself.. dont get complacent just because nothing has happened in a long time. Treat every new pilot that enters the system as hostile. and soon you will learn who is there just for PI and who are just heading through and who the sharks are. And dont be afraid to talk in local as long as you dont smack. I have had a lot of fun chats with carebears and gankers alike in local.. but perhaps that is just me :) Fly dangerously Linda
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company Tribal Band 125	Posted - 2013.05.07 03:44:00 - [29] - Quote Dare I say it?.................Do it better!
Keenky Royal Amarr Expeditions 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 07:56:00 - [30] - Quote Anyura wrote: I am officially Done with exploration and combat sites. Time and again, I spend ages clearing a site only for some [expletive deleted] to show up in a goddamn T3 cruiser, steal the faction spawn and zip off. I can't tank an entire goddamn site in a battlecruiser or whatever piece of crap ship I manage to cobble together with the pathetic cashflow I have from radar sites and missions. So in a nutshell, how the hell do I manage to compete with some [expletive deleted] in an [adjective deleted] T3 cruiser? ..... Ok, I think I'm done ranting. Some objective input would be greatly valued as well as the usual "biomass character, gief stuff, delete EVE," etc. That was just one of these idiots, that have no idea about exploration. The only bad thing is that he shut down the trigger site for the expedition, which could trigger the escalation and lead later on to the named. You cant compete them, and just for the quotes, i wouldnt compete in stupidity. Blitzers and Pickers think they are "explorers" and believe to scan down a site, fly in and pewpew the eventual faction spawn IS exploration. Thats like playing poker and think after receiving the initial cards, the game is done, stand up and go. No, that not exploration, that is more or less stupidity. The truth is not found in a spoiler and in the ability to use a scanprobe launcher, but by solving scanned site, hoping for a trigger for the expedition, solving the expedition level, and from there on you must KNOW what you do to trigger escalation1,2,3,4 and kill the named for really nice stuff :) And again, no, you wont find information about this in the web. You have to work it out or join a real exploration corp.

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