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DoMxj	Posted - 2005.10.05 08:09:00 - [1] Im tired of reading about how the crow is not a good inty and bla bla bla so im gonna say what i wrote somewhere on a thread so i'll be sure everybody gets it. Crow is still the best inty around with decent skills !! Solo hunting (frig, cept, noob cruisers) 3x t2 rocket launchers 1x t2 ion blaster 1x t2 mwd 1x 7,500 scrab 1x web 2x mapc 1x 400mm tung plate u can change 7,500 scrab for 20k since with my skills rockets go 10++ km. dont need cap relay since fight will be over before u run out of cap (mwd maybe swiched off while in combat) gang setup 3x t2 rockets launchers 1x t2 mwd 1x scrab or 20k scrab 1x web 1x cap relay 1x 200mm plate 1x balistic control need the cap relay since u might have to tackle bigger ships for more time and bcu in order to get the most dmg on bigger ships. i have a firing rate of almost 2 sec on my rockets that make 50+ dmg with balistic and 40+ dmg without thats roughly 100+ at worst dmg every 2 sec just get in there and spam with rockets and with 1300+ armor with 400mm plate show me the inty that will beat a good skilled rocket fitted crow on 1v1??
JoCool	Posted - 2005.10.05 08:16:00 - [2] That's a nice setup, but be aware that after the next patch those plates will nearly stop your ship. They add a big mass penalty to them, such as that an mwd would be pointless.
Bazman	Posted - 2005.10.05 08:30:00 - [3] Originally by: DoMxj Im tired of reading about how the crow is not a good inty and bla bla bla so im gonna say what i wrote somewhere on a thread so i'll be sure everybody gets it. Crow is still the best inty around with decent skills !! Solo hunting (frig, cept, noob cruisers) 3x t2 rocket launchers 1x t2 ion blaster 1x t2 mwd 1x 7,500 scrab 1x web 2x mapc 1x 400mm tung plate u can change 7,500 scrab for 20k since with my skills rockets go 10++ km. dont need cap relay since fight will be over before u run out of cap (mwd maybe swiched off while in combat) gang setup 3x t2 rockets launchers 1x t2 mwd 1x scrab or 20k scrab 1x web 1x cap relay 1x 200mm plate 1x balistic control need the cap relay since u might have to tackle bigger ships for more time and bcu in order to get the most dmg on bigger ships. i have a firing rate of almost 2 sec on my rockets that make 50+ dmg with balistic and 40+ dmg without thats roughly 100+ at worst dmg every 2 sec just get in there and spam with rockets and with 1300+ armor with 400mm plate show me the inty that will beat a good skilled rocket fitted crow on 1v1?? Find a good setup that works without a plate then i'll agree that the Crow is not a load of crap. The fact you need a plate to compete says it all
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.10.05 08:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Bazman Find a good setup that works without a plate then i'll agree that the Crow is not a load of crap. The fact you need a plate to compete says it all if it works, don't knock it -- This Zig. For great justice!
Spurgo	Posted - 2005.10.05 09:15:00 - [5] i tried this: 3 standard launchers limos 1 what u prefer 1 mwd the rest what u prefer the important thing is to orbit at 11-15 km away from the enemy, he will not web u and cannot hit a 3k/sec inty orbiting. This worked for me in pve, in pvp i added a web and a 20 km scrambler and worked as well.
DoMxj	Posted - 2005.10.05 09:24:00 - [6] first of all ur argument about plates is wrong because u play whith what they give u. I use plates because any inty pilot that is not a nublar uses plates so im forced to use them too. secondly u can remove the plates and we can again compare dmg per sec with other turret inties and we can also put a tracking disrupt in there to see how they do. dont forget at least 50 dmg per rocket EVERY TIME (with bcu) with 2,2 firing rate per launcher do the math and also the ion blaster
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2005.10.05 09:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Christopher Scott on 05/10/2005 09:36:23 Quote: i have a firing rate of almost 2 sec on my rockets that make 50+ dmg with balistic and 40+ dmg without thats roughly 100+ at worst dmg every 2 sec just get in there and spam with rockets and with 1300+ armor with 400mm plate show me the inty that will beat a good skilled rocket fitted crow on 1v1?? How about any other tier 2 inty that also fits a plate? Or are you only comparing against non-plate opponents..?
Dahin	Posted - 2005.10.05 09:50:00 - [8] why do you guys even want a interceptor do anything other than tackle?
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.10.05 10:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Dahin why do you guys even want a interceptor do anything other than tackle? Because they're fun ships to fly into 1v1 combat or small combat gangs? --- Ortu Konsinni Diplomatic delegate French Force Alliance -- l'alliance des francophones Web site : http://destabiliser.com/ffa/
DoMxj	Posted - 2005.10.05 10:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Christopher Scott Edited by: Christopher Scott on 05/10/2005 09:36:23 Quote: i have a firing rate of almost 2 sec on my rockets that make 50+ dmg with balistic and 40+ dmg without thats roughly 100+ at worst dmg every 2 sec just get in there and spam with rockets and with 1300+ armor with 400mm plate show me the inty that will beat a good skilled rocket fitted crow on 1v1?? How about any other tier 2 inty that also fits a plate? Or are you only comparing against non-plate opponents..? Forget the plates man lets calculate dmg per sec 1vs1 inty fight how much u think a dual light beam of a malediction hit for and every how much time or how much does 125 t2 rail of a taranis hit and with what firing rate or t2 ion basters do they hit 50+ EVERY TIME every 2 sec and dont forget they ion blaster that u can fit on a crow along with the rockets? i can easily web claw or crusader with 2medslots and stay at 10 km+ and spam them wilst staying out of their optimal so dont think they will hit hard. and taranis well i dought with any skills that small hybrid can outdamage my crow. so yes wihtout plates crow is uber
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.10.05 11:21:00 - [11] I can tank my own damage in my crow indefinitely, and I can tank the damage you do in that setup as well. The problem is that a taranis has more than twice the damage-per-second compared to a crow. The advantage the crow has is that it does equal damage from 0km to 12km, so if you can dictate the range you will probably win. But you certainly wont be able to dictate the range against other ceptors in that setup (your setup makes for the slowest ceptor in the game). Any taranis or claw would tear you to pieces.
DoMxj	Posted - 2005.10.05 11:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle I can tank my own damage in my crow indefinitely, and I can tank the damage you do in that setup as well. The problem is that a taranis has more than twice the damage-per-second compared to a crow. The advantage the crow has is that it does equal damage from 0km to 12km, so if you can dictate the range you will probably win. But you certainly wont be able to dictate the range against other ceptors in that setup (your setup makes for the slowest ceptor in the game). Any taranis or claw would tear you to pieces. i can keep the range to any 2midslot ceptors that 90% dont have a web cause i web and get back 10km+ but afcourse i have to risk choosing either dive in or keep distance cause u dont know what dmg the opposition can deal if u fight them first time. I have not yet met a taranis that can deal twice the dmg that u state maybe there is though.. Claw in the other hand is a good dmg dealer at 10km+.
Sorja	Posted - 2005.10.05 13:30:00 - [13] Originally by: DoMxj I have not yet met a taranis that can deal twice the dmg that u state maybe there is though. Taranis can quite deal twice the damage of a Crow. If you never met one, I did The damage you are talking about, for the rocket Crow, is against hull. A Ranis will hit for those 50+... against your shields and up to 80+ for excellent hits, while running a small tank at the same time. Also, don't forget your rockets will eventually do less damage because of the damage reduction formulas, so even your 50 against hull isn't accurate anymore, and rockets don't fly in a straight path which means part of your missiles won't hit your target. If we are strictly talking about web range combat, the Kestrel will deal more damage than a Crow after the MK2 project kicks in, with it's +50% kinetic and +25% all other damage types, with 4 launchers. Since it's pointless to fit a speed booster on the snail that a Kestrel is, you even get 1 more medslot to do nasty things to turret ships Kill mails
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.10.05 16:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Angelus X on 05/10/2005 16:57:02 Edited by: Angelus X on 05/10/2005 16:56:20 Originally by: DoMxj Solo hunting (frig, cept, noob cruisers) 3x t2 rocket launchers 1x t2 ion blaster 1x t2 mwd 1x 7,500 scrab 1x web 2x mapc 1x 400mm tung plate ...show me the inty that will beat a good skilled rocket fitted crow on 1v1?? With equal skills and equipment... 3x T2 Rocket Launchers 1x 125mm T2 Railgun 1x 'Phased' MWD 1x 20k Scram 1x Web 2x Mapc 1x 400mm Tungsten Plate Orbit at 6000m.. Do I get a cookie? (P.S. Don't believe me? come give Delve a visit ) - Oh, and in past experience I've noticed if you let a gank-taranis get within blaster range, you're sort of in a 50/50 situation.. Check out the last few fights here and ya'll see why - The blaster is your achillies heel me thinks .
Heptameron	Posted - 2005.10.05 17:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Dahin why do you guys even want a interceptor do anything other than tackle? Got to agree with this.... the crow is almost the perfect trapper/pod catcher. Stick on a sensor booster 2, 1mn MWD 2, 20k scram and sit directly over a gate and very little will get away before you lock it. I have an overdrive, cpr and a passive hardner in the lows, it's about holding whoever for long enough for others to trap him and be ready to get out once the job is done. But then that's why some people think its a bad ship, they don't use it for what it was intended..... ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.10.05 17:33:00 - [16] Btw can anyone tell me what the average market price of a crow is? Also what the platinum insurance cost and payout are? Thanks.
slapp	Posted - 2005.10.05 17:40:00 - [17] taranis 125 proto rails mwd 400mm plate should i continue? __________________________________________________ CAREBEAR, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in CCP affairs has always been dominant and controling.

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