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StraWDog
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:38:00 -
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The trend is to use plates on ceptors any decent inty pilot fits plates so im tired of listening to people saying that plates are not good on ceptors or that they have a speed penalty and so on so on. Well the speed penalty can go away by using a nano. and even if it does not i prefer loosing 30km from my base speed and have 1400 armor than have +30km speed and have 500 or less armor. Secondly if a none plated inty meets a plated one i dont care how better the second pilot is he will loose. So by not fitting one you are taking a big risk.
And also there are times that the plate helps out also in gang mode. i.e it helps the inty pilot to stay in there much more time scrabling and jamming a bs or a hac giving much more time for the gang to pop the unfortunate one. where else if targeted a ceptor goes out like butter by a bigger ship.
what do you all think
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Hulemand
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:42:00 -
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I think www.eve-search.com
This have been up several times before 
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:13:00 -
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Yes and next patch when plates get mass, 400mm+ plates on Intys just won't happen.
And I heard the noise of thunder. And I looked and behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And Hell followed with him |
Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:15:00 -
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 Originally by: theRaptor
Yes and next patch when plates get mass, 400mm+ plates on Intys just won't happen.
about time
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Yes and next patch when plates get mass, 400mm+ plates on Intys just won't happen.
Yeah because those were so difficult to counter. 
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
franny
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Posted - 2005.10.05 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: theRaptor
Yes and next patch when plates get mass, 400mm+ plates on Intys just won't happen.
Yeah because those were so difficult to counter.
not hard to counter, but they made assault frigs almost useless
why take an AF out when you can take an inty that does almost as much dmg, tackles better, has about as much armor, and moves faster? |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.05 14:42:00 -
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"not hard to counter, but they made assault frigs almost useless
why take an AF out when you can take an inty that does almost as much dmg, tackles better, has about as much armor, and moves faster?"
Plates don't come with "interceptor only" lock on them, AF's can use them too... meaning they can still outdamage and out-tank the interceptors, at the same price of lower speed.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2005.10.05 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Uther Doull on 05/10/2005 14:48:31
except on the already slow AF the speed penalty hurts a lot more
but still, every setup should have it's drawback...
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: StraWDog
Secondly if a none plated inty meets a plated one i dont care how better the second pilot is he will loose.
Aside that comment, your points are very valid.
The above comment just makes you look like a tard though.
Oh and btw, why the whine? Dev's already said Plate Nerf is on zee way...
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DoMxj
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: StraWDog
Secondly if a none plated inty meets a plated one i dont care how better the second pilot is he will loose.
Aside that comment, your points are very valid.
The above comment just makes you look like a tard though.
Oh and btw, why the whine? Dev's already said Plate Nerf is on zee way...
i dont understand why u say that if 2 equal skilled fighters very good or noobs fight. and one has 450 armor and the other has 1400 and remember a frig fight where one cant deal very different dmg from the other and u cant tank well i think the pilot with so much lower armor is doomed dont u?
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: DoMxj
Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: StraWDog
Secondly if a none plated inty meets a plated one i dont care how better the second pilot is he will loose.
Aside that comment, your points are very valid.
The above comment just makes you look like a tard though.
Oh and btw, why the whine? Dev's already said Plate Nerf is on zee way...
i dont understand why u say that if 2 equal skilled fighters very good or noobs fight. and one has 450 armor and the other has 1400 and remember a frig fight where one cant deal very different dmg from the other and u cant tank well i think the pilot with so much lower armor is doomed dont u?
A well flown long range inty can easilly keep out of your web range while keeping you scrambled and killing you.
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.10.06 08:32:00 -
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Does anyone know if ceptors will get a boost somehow to compensate? Or will the plate nerf just be yet another way for CCP to ensure that BIG = BETTER?
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.10.06 08:37:00 -
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The irony is that myself and Sobeseki Pawi came up with this whole idea back in February and everyone flamed us.
All I gotta say is... KARMA BI*****!
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 02/08/2005 23:15:44
Originally by: Faster ThanJesus
Originally by: Jorev
Quoting real physics effects never has and never will be grounds for changing in-game mechanics. So let's not go there.
The idea makes at least some sense to me. If it is also realistic, surely that is an advantage?
That's my point.
Now, anyone who knows how ship mass works will understand this. They think that we're nerfing plates into oblivion? Get real and think about it for a moment.
Plate: Mass Bonus
50mm: 75,000
100mm: 150,000
200mm: 300,000
400mm: 600,000
800mm: 1,200,000
1600mm: 2,400,000
Frigates have 1 million kg mass minimum. Cruisers 10, Battleships 100.
Now, a 100mm plate on a frig would be a 15% decrease in agility. A 200mm plate would be a 30% decrease in agility. A 400mm plate would essentially make the ship 60% less agile. Thus, a 400mm plate would have the side effect of pretty drastically decreasing ship speed while orbiting a target closely, while the intended modules are quite reasonable.
If you compare the bonus mass of a plate on its intended class of ship, the result is pretty dang reasonable. Now, personally, I'd tweak these numbers a bit. I'd rather see a percentage type thing, where an intended plate only adds about 10% mass of the ship class it's intended for, but a much higher number when it is fitted on a smaller ship class. I'd do it a bit more like this I think:
Plate: Mass Bonus
50mm: 50,000
100mm: 100,000
200mm: 200,000
400mm: 1,000,000
800mm: 2,000,000
1600mm: 10,000,000
As you can see, the normal plates decrease agility only by 10% or less, while the higher-end plates for a class reach up towards 20%. However, fitting an oversized plate is a mass increase of approximately 100%.
Another interesting note, you would be able to counter the mass bonus of an intended plate by using a nanofiber.
Edit- Another quick idea, I was discussing this with a friend, and a signature radius boost came up as another option. All those sheets of armor have got to be easier to detect, and it could be applied feasibly to Extenders as well if balance became an issue.
-Electrofreak
Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.10.06 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Does anyone know if ceptors will get a boost somehow to compensate? Or will the plate nerf just be yet another way for CCP to ensure that BIG = BETTER?
And if you'll have read the dev blog you'll also notice that a sig-radius decreasing module is possibly in the works. Does that answer your question?
-Electrofreak
Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.10.06 09:21:00 -
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As i said in another thread Electrofreak, giving mass penalties to the plates, only penalises the setups that actually depend on speed.
Autocannon vagabond, or Blaster Deimos, Blasterthron for instance.
While the already common and boring loadouts of long range guns and stacked dam mods, can easily sport a plate and suffer no penalty whatsoever.
Combined with the fact that now more thand 4 dam mods are useless, they have free slots now to slap on plates suffer a penalty which doesn't affect their tactics at all while the short range setups which have always been at a disadvantage get the full blow of the penalty.
Yeah, for some reason i can see why you got flamed to pieces when you first came up with this crap.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Sennju Zensu
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Posted - 2005.10.06 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: StraWDog
Secondly if a none plated inty meets a plated one i dont care how better the second pilot is he will loose.
Not realy, it depend on range, if the plated is fitted short, and the non-plated long, the non-plated inty will win
if the 2 are short range...not necessary the plated ones win, look:
Quote:
2005.07.05 23:09:00
Victim: Spungwa
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Collector of Souls
Destroyed Type: Claw
Solar System: Rancer
System Security Level: 0.4
Involved parties:
Name: Sennju Zensu (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Brumes Lysergiques
Ship Type: Taranis
Weapon Type: Light Ion Blaster II
Destroyed items:
Type: Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 1MN MicroWarpdrive I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 150mm Light AutoCannon II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 150mm Light AutoCannon II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: OE-5200 Rocket Launcher (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Small Armor Repairer II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Overdrive Injector System I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Defender I (Cargo)
Quantity: 200
Type: Thorn Rocket I (Cargo)
Quantity: 100
Type: EMP S (Cargo)
Quantity: 2000
he was plated and not me... 
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.10.06 09:59:00 -
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Sad thing is most ships in Eve needs plates to stand a chance in the "out of proportion" damage we are able to achieve. Cruisers needs plates to survive longer than 20 seconds, frigs needs plates to survive any amount of damage. You may claim loudly that speed should be the main defense for Interceptors, but they still need the buff of HP (as every other non-battleship) and plates delivers just that.
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.10.06 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 06/10/2005 14:53:03
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Does anyone know if ceptors will get a boost somehow to compensate? Or will the plate nerf just be yet another way for CCP to ensure that BIG = BETTER?
And if you'll have read the dev blog you'll also notice that a sig-radius decreasing module is possibly in the works. Does that answer your question?
Yea, I read that, but there where no stats on it. For all we know, it could be a 100 pg item.
But if its a low slot item with little or no grid/cpu, which seems logical, that would give the small ships a well needed boost. Maybe time to collect some halo implants as well.
A low slot item would also make it easier to replace the plates with em, or maybe use smaller plates like 100/200 in combination with them. Could be interesting.
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2005.10.06 14:54:00 -
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Oh well's,...no more plated intys no more,...or plated any ships for that matter
ive never really like the look of 200mm frig's or 800mm cruiser
4x1600mm on the scorp....what will become of it
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.06 15:16:00 -
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"And if you'll have read the dev blog you'll also notice that a sig-radius decreasing module is possibly in the works. Does that answer your question?"
If the item database is any indication, the frigate-sized signature scramblers have very small effect on the signature size (10% or so) And on top of it, in which slot is the frigate supposed to fit it? The one used for MWD, the one with warp scrambler or the one with the webifier..?
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God forbid
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Posted - 2005.10.06 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sennju Zensu
Originally by: StraWDog
Secondly if a none plated inty meets a plated one i dont care how better the second pilot is he will loose.
Not realy, it depend on range, if the plated is fitted short, and the non-plated long, the non-plated inty will win
if the 2 are short range...not necessary the plated ones win, look:
Quote:
2005.07.05 23:09:00
Victim: Spungwa
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Collector of Souls
Destroyed Type: Claw
Solar System: Rancer
System Security Level: 0.4
Involved parties:
Name: Sennju Zensu (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Brumes Lysergiques
Ship Type: Taranis
Weapon Type: Light Ion Blaster II
Destroyed items:
Type: Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 1MN MicroWarpdrive I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 150mm Light AutoCannon II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 150mm Light AutoCannon II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: OE-5200 Rocket Launcher (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Small Armor Repairer II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Overdrive Injector System I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Defender I (Cargo)
Quantity: 200
Type: Thorn Rocket I (Cargo)
Quantity: 100
Type: EMP S (Cargo)
Quantity: 2000
he was plated and not me...
Eeeeeek Nerf blastertaranis.. : O
*DEAD*
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