To be clear, you're suggesting that the first person to click "buy mining charter" inside said site gets the mining charter and only one corporation may hold a charter to a particular site?

I like this idea.

To be clear, you're suggesting that the first person to click "buy mining charter" inside said site gets the mining charter and only one corporation may hold a charter to a particular site?

And what is wrong with that, they will be stealing from you and getting a suspect flag.

Anyway carebears would never steal ore as they are risk averse.

Very nice idea!

Might be interesting to tie it physically to the site itself:

In order to purchase a mining charter, the site finder must deliver a Proof of Discovery to the authorities. This would be a new type of object (each PoD is unique) generated by Survey Scanner. Site finder should therefore warp to the site, get in survey scanner range, r-click a roid and choose "Issue Proof of Delivery". After the scanner has cycled, the PoD would appear in cargo, and the finder should rush to the nearest authority office.

Limited engagement between charter holder and illegal miners might be better than suspect flag.

its just those who dont wana pay are gonna loose there retriever or mackinaw

first idea of scanning down ores that are more valluable is allready there really making the other current ores more scarce is going to result in a collapse of the eve market (snip a lot of doom and gloom)

to be exacts it would kill PvP in its existance unless your in one of the major alliance (snip more doom and gloom)

if mining without a charter gets you in a suspect mode i can tell you now that 80% of the carebears are quiting

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im concerned that it will not drive conflict, but more a first come first serve system.

it would be a lot harder to muscle in on an already claimed belt than to defend it. Anyone wishing to contest ownership would have to acquire a suspect flag and wait to be shot at by just about anyone, the ppl attacking him may not even be the miners, so he may never get to contest the belts ownership at all.

and if u try to bring a fleet to muscle another fleet out and all go suspect, the defenders are still able to engage the attackers one by one under the suspect mechanics.

lets hope these permits are expensive

Well you could require the anchoring of some module in order to mine in the belt. That has a purchasable killright equivalent to the price of what the miners paid for the belt initially. So someone can pay a fee to contest your belt.

Owning a place to mine is some what easing the life of botters and dificulting the life of new players... I don't see this feature being positive in the end...

Well you could require the anchoring of some module in order to mine in the belt. That has a purchasable killright equivalent to the price of what the miners paid for the belt initially. So someone can pay a fee to contest your belt.

I like this idea as well. My only concern is that people looking for easy kills will attack the structure for the sake of shooting people instead of control over the resource.

Something like this could also possibly lead to mining platforms being placed at a belt similar to moon mining. Just an idea here and it may not work and if done I would make the platforms a rather expensive investment thereby driving dedication into the mix. A destroyed platform during a war would become a hefty loss which would again drive wars.

Owning a place to mine is some what easing the life of botters and dificulting the life of new players... I don't see this feature being positive in the end...

that was actually the best part of it. u shouldnt have the rights to something without having to defend it and urselves.

having rights to a belt should make u vulnerable to attack. the worst possible outcome (imho) of this proposal is invulnerable miners mining invulnerable belts. because that IS a first come first serve system and not conflict at all.

OP wants mechanic to lock rogue miners out of his local belts. Doesn't want others to be able to interfere with his ownership of said belts.

We shouldn't design or not design game features because of what bots might or might not do; CCP's security team is responsible for handling that situation. Also, please report those accounts as bot accounts. It really does help.

That said: This change wouldn't affect or protect botters at all. They will continue to warp to public belt X and go on their merry way with loads of Veldspar. You can still suicide gank them all you want (and I encourage you to do so).

If the bots want to use a scanned-down site with better ore, then:

1. They must be a member of the corporation that owns the belt, opening them up to war declarations; or
2. They must pay the person who scanned the site in order to mine there (hey, at least you get something out of it); or
3. They just go mine the site anyway, at the risk of being blown up by the owner.

But I imagine they'll just hug public belts as they do now and go about their merry way.

Aptly named although might I suggest a subtle change to "TheMisunderstandingSkeptic". I'm pretty sure that the OP isn't saying that she wants immune belts to mine in. You're trying to argue from a null standpoint, I'm afraid. People could still mess with the miners. In fact, it's been argued that it could increase combat in highsec due to allowing the concept of traps to be set. On top of this, the concept isn't to replace belts altogether, merely add a new level to the mining that already exists. Please feel free to correct me if you think I've said anything erroneous.

I like this idea as well. My only concern is that people looking for easy kills will attack the structure for the sake of shooting people instead of control over the resource.

Because comments like this...



... make it look like it's less about PVP and more about claiming, controlling and harvesting a hi-sec resource for themselves.

It's hi-sec... if you want your own belts/sites join a null block, rent space or whatever and you will have all the resources you want. I think there was even talk of the ores out there getting a bit of a buff?

...stuff...

You're missing my point.

It's hi-sec... the resources available should never be claimable by an entity. This is why pocos are NPC owned, moon minerals cannot be mined, ore, ice belts & station slots are a first come first served basis.

If this idea went through all that would happen is you'd claim your belts and then just use a tornado character in system to warp around and gank anyone else mining them without getting concorded.

No I'm not. I just disagree with your point. In Hi-Sec there are resources that are claimable already (hint: you find them at moons).

The defining feature of Hi-Sec is that Concord provides consequences and you can interact with NPCs. This doesn't affect A and adds a new dynamic to B.

And re: ganking anybody using them. Sure you could do that - and I see nothing wrong with that, you paid a fair price for the rights to that belt, why wouldn't you want to defend those rights?

To stop that screwing with the economy though - and to prevent it eliminating Hi-sec mining as a play-style - you want a nuanced system that pushes people into using the belts.

Ie. Say I run an exploring character, and a PVP toon.
1. I find a belt, buy the rights off an NPC corp
2. I offer those rights for rent to all and sundry for a high (but not insane price).
3. Some people buy my rights and mine (I profit, they profit)
4. Some people don't (I get a target)
5. I convince the people who don't that it's better for them to return to station (via pod) or pay for the rights to mine.
6. Profit

The trick is forcing me (a guy who never intends to get into a mining barge) to use the belts for mining (by renting out the rights to people who DO want to mine). This means I can't just use the system as a target generation machine.

Additionally you've still failed to provide a mechanism for someone to challenge your claim. If you claim a belt, it should be possible for someone to dispute & try to forcefully remove you and your claim should they wish to.

Re: forcefully acquiring a claim.
I don't like Pew-Pew mechanics for this. This mechanic is about mining and driving conflict through mining. If you want to pew-pew a corp/alliance who is in your space claiming your belts, Wardec them or get Mercs to wardec them. This will give you a period where they're vulnerable. (I get that Wardec's are delayed, they should be seen as a longer term solution).

When it's a disagreement over just one belt (ie short duration, not worth a Wardec), my preferred solution is to make it a mining competition.
Ie.
1. new corp (Corp A) spots a belt they want, but it's already been claimed (Corp B).
2. They pay the NPC corp in question a fee (similar to but higher than the original fee for the charter) and get the ability to mine in the belt for a window.
3. During this window the value of ore mined by Corp A and Corp B (or by people renting rights through Corp B) is tracked, at the end of the window whoever has mined the most retains/acquires the claim.

This means there is a benefit to legitimately claiming a belt (it's cheaper than trying to claim-jump); but that benefit is not absolute and must be exercised (or you lose it).

It also means that miners can do what they do best: mine. We're not forcing them to Pew-Pew. Either way it's PVP - just the mechanics are different.

Also: there are sufficient tools in Eve already to disrupt mining ops. (Suicide ganks, threats of suicide ganks, bumping etc.)

However, that does not prevent claim jumpers from coming in force, either to deter you from attacking them, or taking over your claim by force if you do engage them. The limited engagement or suspect flags still exist with respect to the claim jumpers, but if you can't muster enough force to drive them off or kill them, they have effectively disputed the claim, have they not?

Suggesting a mechanic that flags miners for mining in a belt and has no way for others to challenge your claim isn't PVP.

Then suggest a mechanic.

Ok, one thing you are ALL missing is this.

If you buy and sell "mining charters" then the random miner would be disallowed from EVER mining again... UNLESS they joined a mining corp.

I DO NOT want ANYTHING to do with a purely MINING CORP!!! I am a PVP'er.

I mine when I get bored or when my Corp wants to do a mining op or I happen to come across a mining mission I like.

Your charter idea would absolutely DESTROY all small scale mining.

AND... think about this.

Goonswarm for instance; a HUGE corporation; could go into EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM IN THE GALAXY...

... and buy up every belt charter in them and lock everyone of YOU OUT. Then SELL said charters for hundreds of trillions of ISK and make bank while YOU languish in poverty.

Your idea is stupid, and you did not think of the humans are evil factor.

NO!!!

The idea is nice but I see a nasty way to exploit it.

What prevents sufficiently large corp/alliance from scanning and claiming all those sites out there (you said they are to be scarce, so it should be doable) and then... doing nothing? Or just waiting in cloaky Proteuses, like one poster mentioned?

It's hi-sec... the resources available should never be claimable by an entity.

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