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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2005.10.06 10:01:00 -
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is it a good ship other than pvp sniping .. ? can it solo the following ? cause ive seen an ishtar do it ..
lvl 4 security missions?
6\10 complexes?
8\10 complexes?
im really frustrated with caldari HACs.. im not a pvper yet u know the Beagle is a nightmare when it comes to pvp, so can the cerb.. but would tey cut it in hard-core npc`ing ?
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.10.06 14:29:00 -
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main use is sniping.
could be used to npc guristas, i guess it would be good enough for bs spawns tho i havent tried.
i doubt it would have enough damage output for the suggestions u make.
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2005.10.06 14:59:00 -
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I haven't taken it into 8/10 spawns so I wouldn't know (although somehow I doubt without a dual Gist setup) but I know it can pwn 6/10 complexes. I wouldn't fit a Beagle setup - rails and damage mods ftw.
A small Gist is your best bet for tankage - fill up with hardeners and one of those and there ent anything thats gonna break your tank. Well...
Your only problem as has been well documented many times before is the lack of damage (www.eve-search.com). For this i'd be tempted (if I spent any time in spawns) to try a Ferox purely for it's 5th turret.
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.10.06 15:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Chris Henry
Your only problem as has been well documented many times before is the lack of damage (www.eve-search.com). For this i'd be tempted (if I spent any time in spawns) to try a Ferox purely for it's 5th turret.
ive tried a ferox with 5x250 t2 setup. its not as good as an eagle. the damage upgrade the eagle gets i think counters the extra turret. (stats anyon?)
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.10.06 15:02:00 -
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i use my blastereagle mostly for pvp and sometimes for hunting rats , biggest rat i took down with my blastereagle was 1.5months ago > 9M Thon Eney rat.
took me some time to take it down 
i still have some Thon items on escrow atm ,anyone that needs a Thon cpu ? i cant get rid of it 
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.10.06 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 06/10/2005 19:11:08
Dont know about complexes and lvl4s (which I think would be deep space very difficult others very easy) but about ratting I am confident it can deal with most 0.0 Guristas spawns because I use one with average skills and pvp set-up to easily kill up to 2BS (not officer) frigs cruisers spawns of Angels. Looking at stats Serps and Guristas should be much easier. Oh, and I am talking rails - not beagle. The DOT is still enough to kill up to 1 mill BS in reasonably good time (around 1 to 2 minutes depending on bounty).
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2005.10.08 10:40:00 -
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this is slightly comforting, how is it compared to a zealot? or an ishtar? what would be a good fitting for it
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Asharaak
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Posted - 2005.10.08 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: B0rn2KiLL
this is slightly comforting, how is it compared to a zealot? or an ishtar? what would be a good fitting for it
Having flown an eagle almost exclusively for several months, I can only agree that it's damage output is sadly lacking - however, the key to this ship is not the damage it can do, but the range it can do it from.
It does mean that it's going to struggle to mount enough offensive damage output for lvl4 missions and high level complexes.
Tanking wise, the gistii small booster is the way to go without question - I've been in some scary 0.0 spawns with only and EM hardner for company and it's suprising just how much it can soak. Again the range thing is important (depending on the range of the NPC's) such that being much further can mean the tank has less work to do. Even without any PDU's it can run for a very long time before lack of cap means you have to start making choices.
With my mediocre skills I get 40km optimal with anti-matter. Did the maths and it works out to something like 200-220 dps. Best wreck is 560 damage.
A support ship is where the Eagle excels, popping cruisers and frigs from 80km allows the main tank or damage dealer to concentrate on the big hitters.
My current setup for lazy lvl3's and support on lvl4's/0.0 rat hunting etc is:
4 x 250 II (Antimatter 40km/Lead 80km), 2 x Arb Assualt (thermal)
10MN ABII, Gistii Small Booster, EM Hardener (faction), Web (faction), Tracking Comp
4 x Mag Stab II's
The mid slot with tracking computer is basically a utility slot in that I can easliy swap this for something else when the mood takes me.
In honesty, the Arb Assualts never get used. They are basically redundant whilst the tracking comp is fitted (since there's nothing (npc) you can't hit with the rails once webbed).
The lack of damage output is the only reason I'd not be happy taking this into the harder lvl4 missions solo.
Going to give the gallente ones a go next.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2005.10.08 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: DarkStar251 on 08/10/2005 12:17:27
Originally by: B0rn2KiLL
is it a good ship other than pvp sniping .. ? can it solo the following ? cause ive seen an ishtar do it ..
lvl 4 security missions?
6\10 complexes?
8\10 complexes?
Well by that token, Can the armageddon run lots of EW? The scorp can so the armageddon must need a boost :/
The Ishtar happens to be a good pve ship due tot he fact that it can hit varied types of ships equally well, frigs cruisers etc.
The Eagle fills a totally different role. Alot of pirates love the eagles ability to snipe from outside sentry range. In fleet combat its usefull as it can engage at the same range as the battleships in the fleet. The Cerb is excellent anti-frig support. I can fly both Caldari and Amarr HACs and I find the Eagle better at level 4 missions as with AM ammo it has similar range and damage output to the Zealot with UV+heavy beam 2, yet it also has assault launchers for dealing with frigs.
According to your logic this would seem to mean the Zealot is screwed, yet I think most would agree that its a very popular HAC
If you dont like the roles/niches of the Caldari HACs, then train a race whose Roles you like....
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2005.10.08 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: DarkStar251 on 08/10/2005 12:16:43
oops double post :)
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2005.10.08 18:02:00 -
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i only got 2.3 mil sp, so another race is a long way togo still :)
any idea if the eagle can break lets say.. "drone commandeered battleship"'s tank ?
or any of the high end tanked BSes?
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Utgardsloki
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Posted - 2005.10.08 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: B0rn2KiLL
i only got 2.3 mil sp, so another race is a long way togo still :)
any idea if the eagle can break lets say.. "drone commandeered battleship"'s tank ?
or any of the high end tanked BSes?
2.3 million SP and you're flying HACs?  Do you think that's wise?
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2005.10.08 18:50:00 -
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no im flying a raven, and making good money its good for the task im using it for :P m considering a hac tho cause i consume alot of torpedoes..
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2005.10.08 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 08/10/2005 18:51:05
bleeh double post, ah well
bump :P
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Jagaroth
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Posted - 2005.10.08 20:13:00 -
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To be blunt you probably need at least 2.3m SP in gunnery to make it effective.
If torps are costing you a lot (?!) then learn some basic manufacturing skills and make them from reprocessed loot.
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Terack
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Posted - 2005.10.08 22:44:00 -
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Been doing lvl4's with an eagle for a few months now, Angel Extravaganza is teh hardest for it.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.10.08 22:56:00 -
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I tend to use energy weapons while NPCing. 100% profit^^
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Nerogk Shorn
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Posted - 2005.10.08 23:04:00 -
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Personally i have never brought the eagle on the average level 4 mission because i would have almost no chance. I do level 4 amarr missions which attack the eagle's worst resistance. I have taken it on most drone level 4's and it works pretty well. I assume it could tackle most caldari missions because they do kinetic and thermal damage.
Killing Supreme Drone parasites isn't too difficult, but The Commandeered Drone Battleships usually pose a problem.
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