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Sha Boost
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:29:00 -
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I have looked everywhere and could not find out much about the subject. I know some alliances get paid to evict corps from wormholes. Is there any profit from doing it without getting paid? like POS drops and ransom's etc. Be interesting to know from some of you if you have ever made a decent amount of ISK from a tedious task.
Thanks
SB |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2013.05.07 07:57:00 -
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Isk's have been made, lots has been lost. It is not a primary way of income, rather a way to force fights - or get cheap(er) capitals.
Wormholes has the best accoustics. It's known.
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.05.07 08:24:00 -
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It's one of the most efficient ways to bore the **** off a large number of players over several days.
I hear it's also good for ego fluffing.
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Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.07 08:47:00 -
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Most evictions are done because people are pissed.
Pretty sure most WHers would rather staple their ********* to their legs than pos bash all the time.
CCP please consider hats as a clothing option for our spaceship barbies.-á
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Dr Agropoly
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:24:00 -
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You might get lucky and get some decent drops but most of the time you watch people sd all their **** behind pos shields. The income even if you do get decent drops is mostly crap anyway because of the number of people needed and the sheer time commitment of it. Shooting red crosses is boring as hell but will still make you tons more isk/hour then pretty much any pos bash and the time you save you can spend looking for actual fun pvp.
I play the game for fun and not for isk and bashing poses is just as much fun as beating your hand with a sledgehammer continually. |
JahMun
Anomalous Existence
Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:52:00 -
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Like people say, it's usually pretty boring. Sometimes interesting fights or kills happen, but it's a big commitment for a group to do it right, so it's pretty draining on the members.
Profits are gimped at the moment, since there is a bug that denies any drops from Ship Maintenance Arrays. Instead of ships popping out, the SMA drops a yellow can that instantly disappears. |
Lucius Arcturus
Peoples Capitalist Liberation Front
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:01:00 -
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If the defenders have any sense, they'll self-destruct and jet everything they can to minimize profits for the attackers. As a result, WH sieges are almost never done for ISK.
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Taggart Blog
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Jay Joringer
Blackstar Privateer Consortium
Enigma Project
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:49:00 -
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Aw, c'mon. They're not that bad. Well, until you hear over comms "OK guys, good job. The tower comes out of reinforcement at 6am on Sunday morning. See you guys then!"
Done then for a couple of reasons before, but none of them were for ISK, which was good because we didn't get much from them.
The Enigma Blogject-á |
Lloyd Roses
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:19:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Most evictions are done because people are pissed.
Pretty sure most WHers would rather staple their ********* to their legs than pos bash all the time.
This is a really accurate description. POS up immediatly on contact and you might've done a first mistake. Roll their scanners out and then POS up and you made a giant mistake. Roll their scanners out, then lose a scanner to the guys you just wanted out, warp-off and pos up, afterwards write 'F4CKING CuuNTS' in local and you're mostly about to lose your assets.
Second best way to lose your POS is to raise it with a SOLAR RENTER ticker.
PS: We got rolled out earlier this morning by some guy being not polite in local. He's gonna lose his POS. |
Kuning
Obstergo
Polarized.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:32:00 -
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JahMun wrote:Profits are gimped at the moment, since there is a bug that denies any drops from Ship Maintenance Arrays. Instead of ships popping out, the SMA drops a yellow can that instantly disappears.
In addition to this, even when there wasn't a bug, almost every WH eviction I've been on has ended with the residents self destructing everything and leaving nothing for the attackers |
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:57:00 -
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Jay Joringer wrote:Aw, c'mon. They're not that bad. Well, until you hear over comms "OK guys, good job. The tower comes out of reinforcement at 6am on Sunday morning. See you guys then!"
Heh, 6 AM Sunday is better than 6 AM Monday :) |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:08:00 -
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You will rarely make enough in loot to justify the invasion.
For example 10 people can make 10bil per hour if they are farming sleepers.
It takes time to find the system, siege it, then destroy it 1.5 days later then haul out all the crap.
The value of loot recovered has never been anywhere close to sleeper farming income so its a waste to even do it. I have even evicted people and then not bothered to haul out the crap because its faster to farm sleepers instead. Same when I have ganked capitals, easily left 5 bil worth of cap mods on the field more than once because its not worth the risk / time to stay around to scoop it.
Ransoms have worked in the past, I think 2-3 guys from my corp sieged someone on christmas day and the locals just payed 10 bil to make them go away. |
Sha Boost
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:31:00 -
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So everyone seems to agree here that you don't evict people for the ISK. I have always wanted to try this though, sounds like you you get a lot of satisfaction from evicting people who get too comfortable in their wormholes. Calling it "Home" for so long they actually believe it to be true.
I once killed an abandoned SMA and had the same bug where it dropped a can then went away. Is this something CCP are going fix? Seems like a pretty awefull bug.
How about some strategy on how to go about the daunting task of evicting someone from a wormhole? The amount of times i have been into a lowclass c2/c3 and seen a badly defended POS with capitals inside. What sort of equipment we going to need and what sort of numbers for taking down a smallish corp with a large tower that's poorly defended?
Thanks for your help
SB
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:35:00 -
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Some time ago, my alliance sieged a C5 farming tower specifically for the loot involved (there were tons of capital assets and hangars).
We RF'd the tower before the residents came online, locking their loot in their arrays.
When the residents came online, they logged what capitals assets they could and self-destructed the rest.
Also, they pulled a trick I was not aware of until that point. They left one sacrificial pod behind when the tower went down, and immediately began unanchoring all of the most-valuable hangars, destroying everything inside. This takes only 5 seconds to do apiece, and it takes most ships a lot longer than that to lock a pod.
The real kicker? We ran across their system about three weeks later. They had the exact-same tower with the exact-same ****** defenses up as before. A completely pointless operation, all-in-all.
Consequently, we made almost nothing that weekend for a full 3-day bash-and-control, and we've never sieged again unless we have personal motivations.
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.05.07 14:55:00 -
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Sha Boost wrote:I have looked everywhere and could not find out much about the subject. I know some alliances get paid to evict corps from wormholes. Is there any profit from doing it without getting paid? like POS drops and ransom's etc. Be interesting to know from some of you if you have ever made a decent amount of ISK from a tedious task.
Thanks
SB
We blew up a guy's POS once. It wasn't really aggression more than an "educational service". You don't put up a small POS in a C3 with two guns on it and not expect a drive by.
It was actually stronted, which surprised me but we made a couple of billion on the loot once it was down.
Boring as all hell but sometimes people who wave their bare buttocks in the wind just need to be spanked.
I"ve also been involved in a couple of defense ops in wormholes that were attacked. What you might not realize when you attack a corp in a WH is that often they seem small and harmless but they can easily be alts of people with a lot of friends. That's what happened in one case where a guy we knew got his POS attacked by some Russians. He batphoned me and we got some guys together to help him out.
The Russians incapped his POS and went to bed and by the time they got up the next morning there were 80 of us camping their ****-caged incapped toe-hold. We had moved the exit several times getting our stuff in, put a bubble up where the old exit used to be, got their prober on the first try and i think we eventually podded all but one of them back to where they came from.
The point being that you never know. I think if you're really intent on attacking someone in a WH that you need to do your homework before you poke the beehive. |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.05.07 15:36:00 -
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Sha Boost wrote:sounds like you you get a lot of satisfaction from evicting people no, you dont
The only time it might be satisfying is when you evict someone from a hole in which you want to live yourself.
... or when you have some serious emo-grudge. But if you have a grudge thats worth wasting 3-5 days of your and others life for, then clearly some other mistakes were made....
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Aquila Sagitta
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:35:00 -
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Sha Boost wrote:
How about some strategy on how to go about the daunting task of evicting someone from a wormhole? The amount of times i have been into a lowclass c2/c3 and seen a badly defended POS with capitals inside. What sort of equipment we going to need and what sort of numbers for taking down a smallish corp with a large tower that's poorly defended?
1. Get scanners in target wh
2. Find kspace exits and seed/start eviction
3. Drop friendly tower
4. Reinforce defenders 'main' tower first
5. Hold wh control
6. Kill tower
7. Repeat steps 4-6 for other towers
Start siege Thursday night so main pos comes out Saturday and other pos come out Sunday. Bring lots of ammo way more then you think you'll need. In lowclass wh the more people the better to make pos bashing go faster. Amarr BS and oracles work well for this.
For badly defended tower 4 logi should be plenty to keep you alive. Depends on tower setup and gunners. The problem with evictions isn't usually tower bashing. Its the monotonous 23/7 wh control.
Equipment: Large minmatar pos. 3-6 Neuts/large arty/large auto/webs/disrupts, med ac, couple small auto/arty (for bombers), white noise and spatial destabs on your tower. And plenty of gunners incase they hit your pos (which is what you want them to do!). |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:06:00 -
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Sha Boost wrote:I have looked everywhere and could not find out much about the subject. I know some alliances get paid to evict corps from wormholes. Is there any profit from doing it without getting paid? like POS drops and ransom's etc. Be interesting to know from some of you if you have ever made a decent amount of ISK from a tedious task.
Thanks
SB
You will spend more in ammo than you'll get out of an evict.
Just about everyone that gets sieged will self destruct all their stuff. You will make ZERO off it, and burn out a lot of people over 3 days.
It's not worth it ISK wise.
Burning a system to the ground is almost always personal vendetta. If you're getting sieged it's because you've peed in someone's apple juice one too many times.
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Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:47:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
The point being that you never know. I think if you're really intent on attacking someone in a WH that you need to do your homework before you poke the beehive.
this...
once some null corp WH operation with 2 caps and few subcaps decided to evict one of our alt corps (1 person with few alts living in a high class wh) - they have been doing this for days, evicting wh and moving to the next one.
It was back in Narwhales Ate My Duck times. We brought 100+ ships (which was second biggest fleet in that time in WH's - bigger was only during russians invasion on VoC.
We planted log-off trap in that wh and waited. they logged in, pos went out of RF. they warped, entered siegie/triage... and died few minutes later :)
And I also agree with everyone before - pos siegieng is PITA, boring, cause spontaneous combustion and can give you cancer. So avoid it unless You hate someone or someone is paying You big time for you nerves.
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Don't mess with OUR WH's
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Gary Bell
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:09:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
The point being that you never know. I think if you're really intent on attacking someone in a WH that you need to do your homework before you poke the beehive.
this... once some null corp WH operation with 2 caps and few subcaps decided to evict one of our alt corps (1 person with few alts living in a high class wh) - they have been doing this for days, evicting wh and moving to the next one. It was back in Narwhales Ate My Duck times. We brought 100+ ships (which was second biggest fleet in that time in WH's - bigger was only during russians invasion on VoC. We planted log-off trap in that wh and waited. they logged in, pos went out of RF. they warped, entered siegie/triage... and died few minutes later :) And I also agree with everyone before - pos siegieng is PITA, boring, cause spontaneous combustion and can give you cancer. So avoid it unless You hate someone or someone is paying You big time for you nerves.
LOL you must not be up on the news lately.. There have been alot bigger fleets then 100.. |
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Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:22:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Most evictions are done because people are pissed.
Nah, most are done just to be dicks. Giant flapping space dicks. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
178
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:36:00 -
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Also remember that if the targets leave their loot in the CHA it is locked when the tower going into RF (anything requiring CPU goes offline when a tower is RF'd) so if they keep their sleeper loot / other junk in there it can be considered booty. |
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