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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
901
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:20:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Exactly Caviar. The policy of keeping capsuleers out of the loop must end.
We regularly visit death and terror upon the Cluster. We are unbound by the rule of law in all but the lightest way. We cannot be killed by all but the most ambitious enemy, and we have the resources to burn down nations.
I am frankly surprised they tell us anything at all. If you are not included in the confidence of the Federation, sir, perhaps you ought to ask yourself why this is so instead of making demands. It may be more constructive in the long run. |

Thoun Gaterau
Federal Intelligence Office Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:24:00 -
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I would like to clear up several misconceptions.
Julianus Soter wrote:With the passing of the Ray of Matar, Karin Midular, the time has come for complete transparency regarding her assassin.
We owe it to our brothers and sisters in the Minmatar Republic to provide timely and substantive information about the assassin that killed their former head of state, so they might determine if there is a more significant security threat against their government.
As Executor of the Villore Accords, an organization which supports the defense of many border systems and planets in the Placid and Black Rise regions, I make a formal petition to the Federation Senate and the Intelligence Committee to have the Federal Intelligence Office release the identity and status of the suspected assassin.
When acting in the best interests of Federal Security, there is no "freedom of information". There is no "the people must know". We make decisions based on maintaining security, law, and order. That is our remit. That is our purpose.
You can feel free to petition as openly and loudly as you like. The Federal Administration will decide if and when details are released, and any such information will be communicated when it does not pose a risk to our ongoing investigations.
Julianus Soter wrote:It is the opinion of Villore Accords and Moira. military intelligence analysists that this assassin is indeed a clone trooper, fitted with a sophisticated implant enabling nearly infinite recloning. This is due to the same pattern of attack and similar combat efficiency as the assassin who nearly killed Tibus Heth. Because of the purge of the first generation of these clone troops, it seems disturbing that any other aberrant units of FirstGen soldiers could remain. That makes it even more disturbing that it could have been a coordinated attack by either a faction-loyal group of clone troopers or some unknown fringe group.
If this is what your military "analysts" are telling you, it would be a good idea if you fired them. All of them. Immediately. There is literally not a single similiarity between this incident and the attempted assasination of Tibus Heth, other than the fact a gun was pointed at a person, and was summarily discharged.
I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.
If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.
Regards,
Thoun Gaterau Lead Field Agent & Administrator Special Department of Internal Investigations Federal Intelligence Office |

Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
116
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:25:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Wow. Soter, I'm not sure what I'm more in awe of.
The fact that you compromised what fragile opsec we had and posted this mail publicly as part of your vanity project - or the fact that you had the sheer irony-blind gall to whine about how it wasn't addressed to you. You want an answer to this question?
THIS. THIS IS WHY. Mr. Ixiris, while I'm not usually fond of your views, I have to back you up 100% on this one. I suspect that the next time Mr. Soter is in a fleet with Federation loyalists, someone's going to blow up his ship.
Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....
Perhaps I should have restrained my sheer, unmitigated shock, and not gone to the public with the message. Indeed, I could have easily used any number of neutral agents to transmit it. But now is the time to send the strongest possible message to the FIO. This course of action they are pursuing is madness. And it may yet lead to the deaths of millions.
I felt the need to speak my mind on this matter before the tragedy of the Ray is further compounded by a meaningless and avoidable conflict. |

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
395
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:38:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past.... Have we?
If we should ever do so again, I heartily encourage you to follow your current example and post all plans and messages related to your pilot movement in a thread on the ISG.
Because, you know, 'freedom of information.' although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
83
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:39:00 -
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That's a pretty damning indictment, but it really just confirms what most of us already knew.
Well done Soter, keep up the good work.
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Davlos
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
73
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:39:00 -
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Thoun Gaterau wrote:I would like to clear up several misconceptions. Julianus Soter wrote:With the passing of the Ray of Matar, Karin Midular, the time has come for complete transparency regarding her assassin.
We owe it to our brothers and sisters in the Minmatar Republic to provide timely and substantive information about the assassin that killed their former head of state, so they might determine if there is a more significant security threat against their government.
As Executor of the Villore Accords, an organization which supports the defense of many border systems and planets in the Placid and Black Rise regions, I make a formal petition to the Federation Senate and the Intelligence Committee to have the Federal Intelligence Office release the identity and status of the suspected assassin. When acting in the best interests of Federal Security, there is no "freedom of information". There is no "the people must know". We make decisions based on maintaining security, law, and order. That is our remit. That is our purpose. You can feel free to petition as openly and loudly as you like. The Federal Administration will decide if and when details are released, and any such information will be communicated when it does not pose a risk to our ongoing investigations. Julianus Soter wrote:It is the opinion of Villore Accords and Moira. military intelligence analysists that this assassin is indeed a clone trooper, fitted with a sophisticated implant enabling nearly infinite recloning. This is due to the same pattern of attack and similar combat efficiency as the assassin who nearly killed Tibus Heth. Because of the purge of the first generation of these clone troops, it seems disturbing that any other aberrant units of FirstGen soldiers could remain. That makes it even more disturbing that it could have been a coordinated attack by either a faction-loyal group of clone troopers or some unknown fringe group. If this is what your military "analysts" are telling you, it would be a good idea if you fired them. All of them. Immediately. There is literally not a single similiarity between this incident and the attempted assasination of Tibus Heth, other than the fact a gun was pointed at a person, and was summarily discharged. I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests. If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position. Regards, Thoun Gaterau Lead Field Agent & Administrator Special Department of Internal Investigations Federal Intelligence Office
Mr. Soter, it looks like you've just been told, son. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2596
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:42:00 -
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Looks like someone just discovered the secret of Told Fusion. Mane 614
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
116
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:43:00 -
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Poor decision, Gaterau. You had your chance, and you missed it. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1117
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:50:00 -
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Thoun Gaterau wrote:I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests. If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position. Regards, Thoun Gaterau Lead Field Agent & Administrator Special Department of Internal Investigations Federal Intelligence Office
Mr. Soter here are the consequences of your action, hope you happy.
Weird Thoun contacted some of use after the "SnipeHunt Elimination and us shooting him" event.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
574
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:57:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Weird Thoun contacted some of use after the "SnipeHunt Elimination and us shooting him" event.
Perhaps he is capable of considering that most of the pilots in that fleet - myself included - might have been completely fooled into thinking we were doing the right thing.
Maybe we were, maybe we weren't. But he's giving people a second chance regardless.
Which means to me that perhaps the appropriate response is "thank you," not "that's weird." Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |

Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
43
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:28:00 -
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This... This is truly stunning. Words fail me. At least out here I have the luxury of distance from the events so I can bang my head against the wall in relative comfort. All I can say is, keep it up Soter, with your help the war will be over very soon. On a more serious note, you ask why Capsuleers are not entrusted with intel and then deliberately leak intel. You also owe me a new datapad. They aren't designed to have coffee spewed over them. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1029
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:15:00 -
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Phox Jorkarzul wrote: I don't understand the Caldari, the scream for Justice all the time, yet when others seek it that say that their actions are shameful and have secret plots.
As loathe as I am to bring politics into this, I feel the need to point out that you obviously do not understand the Caldari, or you'd know why the drive to point out that Msr Soter often issues press releases packed full of words he has no intention of backing up was too strong for Suorsa-kirjuun to resist.
However, some of his words are very well crafted. I don't agree with the particulars of this statement - but I do agree with the intent behind it. The Sebiestor Tribe must be informed and involved with the trial of this criminal miscreant. Justice must be done, yes, but it must also be SEEN to be done.
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
118
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:42:00 -
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As we speak, minmatar and gallente dreadnoughts do battle. Because of FIO hubris, war has come. Thoun Gatarau, think on your sins. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
110
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:04:00 -
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Hmm. Should anyone standing with the minnies here find themselves needing assistance, be it logistics, ammunition or possibly even ships, toss me a mail. OTSI might be able to provide a little support. For a price, of course, but a reasonable one. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
22
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:54:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Phox Jorkarzul wrote: I don't understand the Caldari, the scream for Justice all the time, yet when others seek it that say that their actions are shameful and have secret plots.
As loathe as I am to bring politics into this, I feel the need to point out that you obviously do not understand the Caldari, or you'd know why the drive to point out that Msr Soter often issues press releases packed full of words he has no intention of backing up was too strong for Suorsa-kirjuun to resist. However, some of his words are very well crafted. I don't agree with the particulars of this statement - but I do agree with the intent behind it. The Sebiestor Tribe must be informed and involved with the trial of this criminal miscreant. Justice must be done, yes, but it must also be SEEN to be done.
That is what Soter has called for. Justice that is in the open where we all can see it. Yet the Caldari are saying that there is a hidding plot behind it, or they are sad that didn't make the request first..... Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |

Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
11
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:02:00 -
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I have been a supporter of FIO for a long time. I understand that intelligence work requires ruthlessness and in general, methods, that do not get the approval of public. However, today I was disappointed by their behaviour as their insistence of holding the murderer caused this incident with Republic's armed forces. Great statesmen or managers can do grand gestures from time to time for the greater good. There was an opportunity to make such a gesture by releasing the gunman to the Minmatar authorities and perhaps making the alliance even stronger in the process. But mr. Gaterau lacks that greatness. Lately I feel that he lacks the common sense.
What the Republic did was not a show of good judgement either. After FIO provoked them, they just followed their instincts instead of brains and went in with a force, endangering the whole Gallente-Minmatar alliance. I'm sure the Caldari and Amarr are quite happy today, drinking to the downfall of their sworn enemies.
An top of all that is the usual stupidity that is the essence of the ridiculous network of fools that this "Intrgalactic Summit" is. Whatever message appears here, there is squabbles, arguments and general bickering that hardly solves anything. I don't usually come here because I know this, but I was asked by Julianus Soter to voice my opinion within the alliance. I concluded that there might be a seed of truth hidden here among the infertile sand spewing from your swollen mouths. Indeed, I found some information and I will use it to voice my opinion in the GMVA alliance (I won't express it here, in the open).
However, what I found along the mentioned seeds of truth disgusts me once again. I will dismiss the others... In my eyes, those who are the stain on this FTL network and associated channel are the ones who call themselves Federation loyalists. In truth, most of them sit and bicker here or in this channel and actually do nothing. They are so bold as to call Julianus Soter a traitor or a non-competent. It is the members of Villore Accords, Justified Chaos, Monkeys with Guns and many others in Gallente Militia who fight for the Federation every day, losing ships and clones so you cold be warm and cozy, locked in a station sipping expensive wine and posting nonsense.
Cherry on top of the cake is this Andreus Ixiris who sides with the power-mad Gaterau while he only two months ago led a fleet who helped terrorists to break into a FIO facility and shot at FIO ships (look here). What a ridiculous twist. |

Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:52:00 -
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For reference, I can honestly say that the first thing that drew my attention to the possibility of a Republic fleet breaching Gallente space at a specified time was the leaked mail here. Which is not good. |

Vlad Cetes
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
32
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:35:00 -
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Thoun Gaterau wrote:I I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests. If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position. Regards, Thoun Gaterau Lead Field Agent & Administrator Special Department of Internal Investigations Federal Intelligence Office
I rarely agree with Gallente, however this statement is true. A demonstrable pattern of incompetence and failure. |

Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
196
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:59:00 -
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Vlad Cetes wrote:Thoun Gaterau wrote:I I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests. If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position. Regards, Thoun Gaterau Lead Field Agent & Administrator Special Department of Internal Investigations Federal Intelligence Office I rarely agree with Gallente, however this statement is true. A demonstrable pattern of incompetence and failure.
Which is pretty rich, considering it was Thoun Gaterau who couldn't keep a lid on his own operation. If he's so competent why is it that our "unreliable" Executor is outing his dirty tricks?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1051
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:04:00 -
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Phox Jorkarzul wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Phox Jorkarzul wrote: I don't understand the Caldari, the scream for Justice all the time, yet when others seek it that say that their actions are shameful and have secret plots.
As loathe as I am to bring politics into this, I feel the need to point out that you obviously do not understand the Caldari, or you'd know why the drive to point out that Msr Soter often issues press releases packed full of words he has no intention of backing up was too strong for Suorsa-kirjuun to resist. However, some of his words are very well crafted. I don't agree with the particulars of this statement - but I do agree with the intent behind it. The Sebiestor Tribe must be informed and involved with the trial of this criminal miscreant. Justice must be done, yes, but it must also be SEEN to be done. That is what Soter has called for. Justice that is in the open where we all can see it. Yet the Caldari are saying that there is a hidding plot behind it, or they are sad that didn't make the request first.....
What would be the point of CALDARI pilots requesting information from the FIO? To be honest, even if I could do so, I'd be more interested in the truth about the Death Squads running around in Black Rise and on the surface of Home.
I also don't agree that the FIO needs to make their information available to the general public - but I DO think that the Sebiestor Clan and the Republic as a whole deserve more consideration and more involvement than they've been shown. |

Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
128
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:19:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:
Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....
Heeeeee.
Funniest **** ever. |

Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
140
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:30:00 -
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Valdezi wrote:Julianus Soter wrote:
Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....
Heeeeee. Funniest **** ever.
Two separate declarations of war, due to a failure to maintain payment of the bill, three years ago, between the period of the February 1st, to February 27th of that year.
The Graduate School of Applied Knowledge left your alliance during the war that occured, and the then-nascent Villore Accords corporations counter-wardecced in support of our position at the time. Those participants were Shadows of the Federation, Quantum Cats Syndicate, and Strix Armaments and Defence.
As you can see, was something of a tussle. And partly why I don't like you very much.
Kind regards,
Soter |

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
28
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:06:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Valdezi wrote:Julianus Soter wrote:
Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....
Heeeeee. Funniest **** ever. Two separate declarations of war, due to a failure to maintain payment of the bill, three years ago, between the period of the February 1st, to February 27th of that year. The Graduate School of Applied Knowledge left your alliance during the war that occured, and the then-nascent Villore Accords corporations counter-wardecced in support of our position at the time. Those participants were Shadows of the Federation, Quantum Cats Syndicate, and Strix Armaments and Defence. As you can see, was something of a tussle. And partly why I don't like you very much. Kind regards, Soter
What I find is funny is how I-Red tries act as if they care about what is happen in Black Rise and Placid while they live off in Syndicate. They let the Caldari Militia fall from its former gloria so that they can act as overlords over the Initki in Syndicate. Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |

Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
128
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:48:00 -
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Phox Jorkarzul wrote:
What I find is funny is how I-Red tries act as if they care about what is happen in Black Rise and Placid while they live off in Syndicate. They let the Caldari Militia fall from its former gloria so that they can act as overlords over the Initki in Syndicate.
What I find funny is how Moira. made its name ganking industrial corps in Intaki and Stacmon and then muscled in on the Villore Accords, taking control of the alliance from groups like Q-Cats who can actually fight. |

BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
184
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:50:00 -
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Desra Mascani wrote:*snip*
Your opinion has been noted.
I can respect and understand your position, even if you don't return the favor for either me or my CEO.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1454
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:57:00 -
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You have to admit it's a good question: What information about the shooter is so damning to someone that they'd sacrifice over 36,000 lives to keep it from getting out?
I'm not talking about turning the shooter over to the Republic so that he can be quickly silenced - it's too late for that, because you know that Blaque had this guy singing like a songbird inside five minutes (Blaque's may be a bastard, but he'g good at his job). So it's obvious that the Black Eagles know the truth. It's likely that Roden knows as well. Yet it's not just the terrorist that they're keeping locked up - it's what they know about him.
I can see perfect legal justification for the Federation keeping this guy locked up in their territory. I can understand the logic. But the information blackout... that's what's got me curious. What don't they want people to know? Not only that, but why a blackout in the first place? You'd think the FIO, of all groups, would have been able to fabricate whatever cover story they wanted and fed it to the public within the first day. Why did they fail to do the most obvious damage control function one would expect of such an agency?
Let's put morals aside and think pragmatically for a minute: If you were the head of the FIO and your interrogation of the terrorist revealed a lot of info that you never wanted getting out, wouldn't you just make something up and spin doctor a false story to assay the public's questions and end the issue right then & there? Round up some random psycho from the maximum security wards, hand that guy over to the Republic and say "Yeah, this is the shooter you wanted, enjoy."
Unless... you had reason to believe that it wouldn't work. But why wouldn't it work? Like I said, they could have handed anyone over to the Republic and claimed that was the terrorist, while keeping the real prisoner under wraps. The only way that wouldn't work is if the Republic already knew who the shooter was. Likewise, the only way a spin-doctored fabricated story wouldn't sell to Republic Intel would again be if they already knew the truth.
In short, there is no point in lying to people who already know the real story. So there is only one logical reason why the FIO didn't just make up a bunch of crap and hand over a patsy: Someone in the Republic already knows what's really going on... and also doesn't want the truth getting out to the public...
... and that someone was willing to send fifteen dreadnaughts to make sure that truth never gets out. Gosh, I who has that kind of rank, I wonder? 
So yes, there is a cover-up taking place here - that much is obvious. What people seem to be missing, however, is that all the conspirators in this cover-up aren't all in the Federation.
That terrorist is a chip, and a powerful one, because he knows the truth better than anyone. A truth that can apparently do more damage than fifteen dreadnaughts. A truth that can do enough damage to the Shakor regency that he felt it was worth throwing away over fifteen dreadnaughts to steal it. A truth that can do enough damage to the Roden presidency that he felt it was worth losing nine dreadnaughts to protect it. Over 36,000 lives lost over the secrets of one lone gunman.
You have to admit that learning the truth only gets more tempting for it.
Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |

Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
142
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:34:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:You have to admit it's a good question: What information about the shooter is so damning to someone that they'd sacrifice over 36,000 lives to keep it froh damage to the Shakor regency that he felt it was worth throwing away over fifteen dreadnaughts to steal it. A truth that can do enough damage to the Roden presidency that he felt it was worth losing nine dreadnaughts to protect it. Over 36,000 lives lost over the secrets of one lone gunman.
You have to admit that learning the truth only gets more tempting for it.
The truth is that the suspect is a clone trooper is the suspect. That is why they are frightened. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1057
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Posted - 2013.05.11 06:32:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:You have to admit it's a good question: What information about the shooter is so damning to someone that they'd sacrifice over 36,000 lives to keep it froh damage to the Shakor regency that he felt it was worth throwing away over fifteen dreadnaughts to steal it. A truth that can do enough damage to the Roden presidency that he felt it was worth losing nine dreadnaughts to protect it. Over 36,000 lives lost over the secrets of one lone gunman.
You have to admit that learning the truth only gets more tempting for it.
The truth is that the suspect is a clone trooper is the suspect. That is why they are frightened.
But WHY does that frighten them so much? The Executor's assassin was revealed to be a clone trooper and that caused WAY less political upheaval than allowing people to think the Federation was behind it would have done! |
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