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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.08.02 05:38:00 -
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I've been getting random CTD and my comp rebooted when doing anything or nothing in the game. I've had it happen after jumping to a system, while approaching a gate or station inside a station chatting or doing anything else.
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Yawgmoth
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Posted - 2003.08.02 06:58:00 -
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Yea! I have been having the same trouble too...
Drivers are all up to date and everything, EVE's been doing this since the last patch, it is extremely annoying Anyone else having this problem?
"I'm the Nordic Warrior /
Hunter of the Marching Dead /
I'm the bloody hands of Titans ..."
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Isomerone
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Posted - 2003.08.02 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Isomerone on 02/08/2003 08:37:08
Agreed. I never had this problem before the lastest patch. Completely random. I can't alt-enter anymore without it instanly rebooting my system. 
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.08.02 12:21:00 -
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Last night it happened to my and a corp member at the same time twices. It seems like this started happening to me ever since the previous server up.
I upgraded my video card drivers to make sure that it wasn't them but the new drivers didn't fix the problem. The graphics run faster and smoother but I'm still getting random CTD and reboots.
When scanndisk runs it finds at least 4 bytes worth of bad clusters and one time it said the drive space was being incorrectly reported which it repaired.
There was one time when I got a windowed error message from the game saying the following:
 Quote:
EXCEPTION #270 logged at 8/1/2003 11:04:25 AM
ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:/builds/files/script/sys/serviceManager.py", line 318, in RunSvc
File "C:/builds/files/script/environment/godma.py", line 68, in Run
File "C:/builds/files/script/sys/serviceManager.py", line 535, in FavourMe
ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list
This function was called with arguments:
self : <service.ServiceManager instance at 0x0D03AB80>
fn : <bound method Godma.OnModuleAttributeChange of <svc.Godma instance at 0x0D4A7488>>
Barring function arguments, the local namespace was empty.
eve.session was <Session: (sid:17, mutating:0, role:0x1, corprole:0)>
Again I started having this problem after the last server being on Friday 1st of August.
I don't know if it's related or not myself and others have been having a problem with the local channel filling up with players from other channels. Its gotten to about 90 and it's been maxing out my cpu and hardrive to the limit as well as causing major lag making it hard as hell to type and play the game if I don't CTD or get rebooted first.
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Optimal
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Posted - 2003.08.02 12:32:00 -
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Same here. Since the last patch I have been averaging a CTD every hour or so. They occur in random areas doing random things. No clear pattern.
System Specs:
P4 2.4
768 MB RAM
SB Audigy 2 Platnum
Geforce 4
All latest drivers.
Most of the error text files say this..
Blue.List: Key 0 our of range, size is 0.
trinity.TriDevice: ["(null)"], RotUrl: ["tri:/dev"]
CurrentArea: [""]
CurrentShader: [""], RotUrl["(null)"]
There is no D3D device available
Also, I did run across a log text file that made reference to a sound file name being too long and it listed one of my mp3s. It seems these may be limited to a name of 55 characters. Since this is not a supported feature I removed the mp3s.
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Seaufly Dragon
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Posted - 2003.08.03 03:58:00 -
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I too have been having this problem since the last patch. My puter will shut down completely at times and others just ctd around 10 times a day and very frustrating. My puter is up to date. I do not have this problem with any other games just eve.
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Arrik
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Posted - 2003.08.03 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Arrik on 03/08/2003 12:45:06
I'm getting similar problems myself, they started around 3am August 2nd, when I got two spontaneous reboots in 5 minutes. I waited until downtime to see if that would clear it, but I still get the odd one, usually in combat OR while loading some data from server (opening container, entering asteroid belt)
I have not been able to pin down a reliable trigger, but I should mention that nothing on my system was changed or installed prior to this happening, so I can only conclude its something coming from the server end.
I also cannot get any dump or log data. since when it reboots EVE does not have chance to save a dump file, nor can I grab anything with logserver.
System Specs:
AMD XP2800+
EpoX 8RDA+ nForce2 motherboard (intergrated MCP-T sound)
Radeon 9700 Pro 129Mb graphics card (3.4 catalyst drivers)
512Mb DDR RAM (PC3500)
PS: Yes this is a mostly repeated post, but I'm putting the info into several threads in case only a few are seen!
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cairnz
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Posted - 2003.08.03 19:32:00 -
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Those error files that are automatically generated by the game, like those [""] things, are pretty pretty useless.
For those that experience CTD/Reboots, the most likely cause is hardware conflicts/bugs in your setup, not at CCP.
"But it works with every other game..." Sure it does, but is every other game a game that requires DX9?
Also, there is a number of nice posts in the Known Workaround forum that explains issues most of you are having.
Just to refer, VIA recently pushed out a BETA fix for an error in their memory register, which caused overflows in the write queue on heavy memory access. They also stated that the new nVidia drivers were heavily optimized and pushed that bug more out in the open, since the new drivers allow more memory throughput. Go search around in that forum, and if you have a VIA chipset, it might be worth it to check it out.
For those that just have CTD's, running LogServer while playing and saving one of the workspaces when it crashes, you might provide some useful information to the bughunters. Visit the #eve-chaos channel on irc.coldfront.net for more information. Posts about how to run logserver and the test (chaos) server can also be found around these forums.
Cheers.
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Encrypter
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Posted - 2003.08.03 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Encrypter on 03/08/2003 23:19:48
Blah Blah blame my system when there is nothing wrong with it, CCP release more bugs in their patches than they are fixing from previous ones, how can they expect to introduce new things when what they have doesnt work right!
I dont have this many problems running the Doom 3 Alpha release!!! 
Another thing, I dont care if there are workaround for every problem there is, workaround are not solutions to the problem they are only a band-aid to keep us playing because we pay to play, not to test things out. (aka retail beta) 
P4 3Ghz 800FSB
1GB Kingston PC3200
Asus P4C800 Deluxe
ATI 9800 Pro 128MB Catalyst 3.6
Creative SB Audigy2 Platinum |
agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.04 02:15:00 -
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cairnz stop talking **** eh? Go take a look at the server status graphs on eve-i.com and then hang your head in shame.
Hundreds of people are crashing at the same time! You guys can lock as many CTD threads as you like and spread disinformation like this but anyone with half a brain knows this wasn't happening 2-3 weeks ago.
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Kasha
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Posted - 2003.08.04 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kasha on 04/08/2003 07:11:19
Cairnz wrote "For those that experience CTD/Reboots, the most likely cause is hardware conflicts/bugs in your setup, not at CCP"
This has got to be the most retarded statement I have read on these boards in long time.
Tell that to the hundreds of players that have this problem. But better do it quick because soon there will not be any players left.
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Arthur Vandelay
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Posted - 2003.08.04 07:57:00 -
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I have to disagree with you, Cairnz. While it is true that in a number of cases the CTDs and reboots may be attributed to the particular hardware setups of the players (and EVE just happens to stress the system in a certain way and make those bugs visible) there seems to be a pattern here: CTDs and reboots have been known and experienced by some players since beta (although I was under the impression that it was happening only to a minority), but many people are reporting to have started having them right after the last patch. It would seem that patch introduced something that is causing these problems. Really, the amount of posts related to this topic has increased dramatically in the last days.
Speaking for myself, I have also started to have complete reboots of my computer (not CTDs) when playing EVE after the patch. It is a new system -assembled less than two weeks ago-, so I haven't had the time to bloat it with crap (it is a fresh install with the latest drivers for all the hardware). And again, the computer works fine with other games (although you have a point, these other games don't use DirectX 9.0) and worked fine with EVE before the patch. These are the specs:
- Dual Athlon MP 2400+ in a K7D Master-L
- 1 GB PC2700 memory
- 120 GB Western Digital SE (1200JB)
- DVD and CDRW (Lite-on).
- ATI Radeon 9500 Pro 128 MB (Sapphire)
- Philips Sound Edge 5.1
- Win2K (properly patched and up to date)
The system has very little installed on it other than the drivers, EVE and some basic apps (winzip and the likes) because I only use Windows for games (I am what you could call a Linux person).
Also, I can safely say that in my case the reboots have nothing to do with the sound because they also happen when there isn't a sound card in the system (I unplugged it to see if they were related to it ). Of course the mobo sound is disabled. My main suspect would be the video card, but then... the problem seems to happen only with EVE. I would buy the theory of a problem in MY system if this stuff were happening to me only, but you cannot ignore the number of threads and posts in these forums from people having the exact same problems. All of us have hardware/software problems in our computers? Because we are quite a heterogeneous bunch, not all of us have the same chipsets, processors, video cards... It is not impossible, but it is unlikely.
Anyway, I hope CCP is able to track the cause of these problems and fix them soon, I really like this game and I don't dare to do anything serious -i.e. combat- since the crashes started. Not planning to leave, though, I am sure these things will be ironed out. I just hope this happens soon. |
Amacor
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Posted - 2003.08.04 08:28:00 -
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Hail to all!
I'm having the same problems. I'm a new player to Eve, so i can't give you much details of when it happens. It always does CTD or reboot during setting up an Amarr Character, and has been known to do it ingame with my current cha. But I had to create him by clicking next quickly and/or clickingthe first item. Grr...
Anyway, I've emails technical, no reply as yet... :( |
Abbet
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Posted - 2003.08.04 13:35:00 -
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If you're having problems with this happening.. as I'm sure we all are, then please see my post on "vote to help CCP" and let them know what is the single most important thing that needs fixing in your oppinion.
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Abbadon
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Posted - 2003.08.04 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Abbadon on 04/08/2003 13:50:50
Im sorry Cairns, this in no Hardware/Driver issue at the PC end....why?......
1) 5-6 people in my corp CTD at the same time
2) I sometimes see extreme lag and then a dozen people from my buddy list 'log out'
3) Only started after last patch
4) You can be anywhere doing anything....sitting idle in station chatting, warping, mining...
5) result is one of three possible outcomes...CTD with no error, reboot PC or complete system freeze.
Everyone I have spoken to in game has noticed this since last patch so I would point the finger at the proxys as CCP have always had problems with nodes dropping.
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Destable
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Posted - 2003.08.04 14:19:00 -
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I too have had this problem, just starting within the last few days. Often most or all of the people in my corp CTD/reboot at the same time. It's happening once and hour or more, can't even get an indy filled up all the way when mining before I crash. My most common problem involves XP crashing (probobly an attempted re-boot) to a black screen. Only powering down the PC and re-booting can get my system back. Again, just started a few days ago. Before that, I was just about crash free, maybe one CTD every 5 days or so. Doesn't sound like a "problem with my system"...
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Hober Mallow
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Posted - 2003.08.04 15:51:00 -
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Quote:
For those that experience CTD/Reboots, the most likely cause is hardware conflicts/bugs in your setup, not at CCP.
*snorts with laughter*
*falls over with laughter*
i wish someone would go put that as a news announcment when you load up eve... ccp wouldnt know what hit them...
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.04 15:55:00 -
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Aye. 500 or so people got booted about 15 minutes ago (me being one of them) and of course it's all down to our hardware. Where the hell do they find people like cairnz?
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Arrik
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Posted - 2003.08.04 19:18:00 -
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Cairnz - have you ever read this thread?
In particular you might find my post interesting, whre I make it abundantly clear that this problem DID NOT EXIST PRIOR TO AUGUST 1ST.
Also, that I MADE NO CHANGES TO MY SYSTEM, DRIVERS OR HARDWARE *AT ALL* before experiencing this problem. Before this date, with this exact setup, I had no trouble, after that date, I get periodic reboots. What conflicts with my hardware? Do you SERIOUSLY think that they will take this long to suddenly and magically appear from nowhere?
Fer chris' sake man, it didn't even conincide with the patch! It just started happening, and is still going on...DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
*READ* the thread before posting stock responses.
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Aldebaran
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Posted - 2003.08.04 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Aldebaran on 04/08/2003 19:33:23
Happened to me too on 2 different systems, and it only happened since the last patch.
System 1 at work:
Dell running Win2000 SP3.
System 2 at home:
Win XP SP1.
Observation:
1) The crash seem to be random, all of the sudden, the game gives no response, then boom! You either crash to desktop or have a kernel panic (on both systems).
2) No specific pattern, I was either sitting in a station and load/unload stuffs, or fitting stuffs, or plainly just doing nothing. It also crash while approaching jump gates, or during combats (Due to the randomness of the crash, I have to do light combat against Frig pirates, or I would lose my cruisers).
3) Only start to crash since the last patch. performance has been SOLID on both systems [EDIT: Solid prior to the last patch build 1128)].
4) Other games run fine.
Because of (3) and (4) please dont give me the lame excuse that it is a conflict in my system. I have 15 years working on computers to know better.
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Salazar N'terre
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Posted - 2003.08.04 20:29:00 -
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Last night i counted 7 CTDs, I upped my memory and that helped, but who has extra memory lying around. I cleaned out my prefs.ini file and that made them go away for like 4 hours before another wave of CTDs occur. I have never had a CTD occur until this last patch. If I cant play, Then why should I pay.
CCP fix the CTD bugs!
"I Live in my OWN LITTLE WORLD....but its okay, they know me HERE!"
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Salazar N'terre
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Posted - 2003.08.04 20:29:00 -
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Last night i counted 7 CTDs, I upped my memory and that helped, but who has extra memory lying around. I cleaned out my prefs.ini file and that made them go away for like 4 hours before another wave of CTDs occur. I have never had a CTD occur until this last patch. If I cant play, Then why should I pay.
CCP fix the CTD bugs!
"I Live in my OWN LITTLE WORLD....but its okay, they know me HERE!"
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Steel Rat
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:20:00 -
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This occurance has been happening to me as well since the last patch. Now I noticed the canned response from cairnz, but I happen to run 2 accounts on 2 totally different machines.
Machine 1:
Dual 2.4 Xeon, 1 gig ram, ATI 9700 Pro, WinXp
Machine 2:
P4 2 gig, 512 Ram, GF4 4200, W2K
BOTH machines crash at exactly the same time. If 1 goes, the other goes and I get synchronized reboots. Sometimes I can catch 1 or the other as there is usually a little lag just prior to the crash happening and if I am quick enuff I can save 1 machine from rebooting.
I have to say, with all the problems/bugs Eve has/does have, NONE of them annoy as much as this. When a program starts rebooting machines, you would think someone would pay attention and FIX IT! Please 
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Nexus VI
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Posted - 2003.08.04 21:44:00 -
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Just wanted to throw my hat into the ring. I will say this has made me return to my RL for a few days...maybe not such a bad thing, but Im still paying for this game so let's get this fixed!
p4 2.4ghz
gf4 ti4600
SB Live!
512mb ddr pc2100
Ill log some time tonight with the log server and submit a proper bug report but I just wanted to tack another post onto this thread so CCP knows it isnt anything like cairnz says...this is certainly a bug.
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Nepenthe
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:23:00 -
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Well i get the restart every now and then and my drivers are updated..depressing !!
2,4ghz
512ddr
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:23:00 -
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I get's worse everyday, for some damn reason the server stop sending packets to the client then the client tries to process like you got dropped but CCP has ****ty error handling and and causes and abnormal termination of the program effectivly F'ing up windows.
Causing Reboots or Blue Screen of DEATH.
Come on get your guy off of vacation and fix something damn.
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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Masi
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:27:00 -
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sigh im sick of this fking ****. I can't belive that statement from Cainz so your telling me theres 100's of players with my exact spec all crashing at the same time? Dont make us laugh and fob us off with blatent bull pls, were not 10yr who know nothing... Sort it out? It's to do with the latest patch, as its only happned from then
XP1900
512 DRR2100
GF3 Ti500
SB Audigy
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:42:00 -
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Quote:
For those that experience CTD/Reboots, the most likely cause is hardware conflicts/bugs in your setup, not at CCP.
No.. YOUR crap is busted, mine is working great. Fix it!
I've made no software or hardware changes in the last month on my machines. (yes machines I have several) and I am crashing, being booted out of the game and my machine is even restarting. Same problems as the hundreds and hundreds of other people are having.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Boneca
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Posted - 2003.08.04 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Boneca on 04/08/2003 22:56:13
Cairnz you are basically talkin out of your ass on this one When 200 ppl disappear from trade channel in one go how can you still come on the boards and say it's our systems . there seems to be a major bug/problem since last patch causin random ctd/node drops and it needs to be addressed bloody quick. 
Or a lot of ppl me included are gonna find games that do work on our systems, and we pay your wages remember( we don't play and you don't get paid)
EVE is a great game but this ctd problem is makin it a great game that don't work properly and that equals a game that ain't that good really, and ccp's stubborn refusal to accept that there is a problem is only makin things worse.
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Seaufly Dragon
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Posted - 2003.08.05 00:29:00 -
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I know I posted earlier on this subject.. and was told must be my system couldnt be ccp... My Husband reminded me that we have 3 different accounts and 3 different computers in our computer room and they all ctd. Now you saying that all brands of computers have this problem? They didnt do it before the patch. and did I mention we have 3 accounts. SWG beta didnt crash, wonder if planetside has same problem. And I use my directx 9 with enb and eq no problems... no ctd. Please I love eve wouldnt have spent 150.00 on the disc if I didnt but crashing and not knowing when I will crash is getting to be the pits.
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GoLeM
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Posted - 2003.08.05 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: GoLeM on 05/08/2003 00:32:46
These problems with your PC crashing when switching to and from windowed mode did start immediately after the last patch. I even went to the help channel and asked others how many were having the problem and never had it before. There were many. I have a 4 week old laptop that never had a complete crash before the latest patch. It had the occasional CTD but that's it. My desktop also started having the problems at the exact same time. Both machines randomly crash now. And 90% of the time when switching to and from windowed mode.
cairnz don't bs me with that "not our fault" crap. I don't want excuses or blame, I just want it fixed! I lost my ship and some very good equipment last night due to one of these crashes. If this isn't fixed right away I will cancel both of my accounts. If by chance these problems are not due to a flaw in the game, then you need to untweak whatever you tweaked, because obviously there is no brand of card that can handle it.
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Masi
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Posted - 2003.08.05 01:25:00 -
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I get mine when just chatting, floating or anything. Both in window mode and full screen, also when switching between them.
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GoLeM
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Posted - 2003.08.05 06:26:00 -
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Okay CCP, I will try to give you a summary of everything so far in this thread, what I have heard from others, and what I have seen myself.
Before the last patch, the majority of people were able to switch to and from windowed mode with no problem. Since the last patch, a great number of people either CTD or BSOD or reboot while doing this.
Before the last patch, for most people, when EVE would crash, it would only do a CTD. Since the last patch, when EVE crashes, it usually takes the system with it. I know of several people, including myself, that have never had a BSOD while playing EVE, before the last patch. Now it happens many times a day for me and most of the people I know.
It would seem that crashes have increased recently, say around last Friday probably. That was the start of a weekend, which means more users online, higher system load, and more lag. I'm not positive that any of this is the cause of the increased crashes, but seems like a good place to start. I didn't really play today so not sure if crashes have gone down.
EVE has always had CTD's for many people. Their frequency has always varied. For me, I remember best only the recent ones. I can't remember if CTD's on a weekend were as bad 2, 3, or 4 weeks ago. I do know that EVE crashing didn't cause BSOD's and reboots back then.
I play on 2 computers, each very different from each other. Many others do also. Usually when 1 crashes so does the other, but not always. Two days ago my new laptop crashed and the desktop didn't. I saw about 9 friends go offline then. A couple said they only restarted EVE because of lagginess. The rest said they CTD with a message no response from server or soemthing like that, or had a BSOD. Both of my computers had that lag. The laptop had a BSOD, the desktop amazingly stayed in.
Ok so what is causing these problems? The last patch had something that causes the video driver, ATI and NVIDIA, to screw up sometimes when switching to and from windowed mode and also when EVE crashes. All my BSOD's on both computers have shown the video driver as being the fault. The same from everyone I have heard from.
EVE may not have been crashing more the past few days. It may only seem like it because of its usually causing BSOD's now. Those stick in everyone's memory a little longer. The crashes over the past few days have been caused by lag. The lag appears to come from CCP's end because of the number of people crashing simultaneously. Before the last patch this resulted in being dropped to windows and the EVE login screen and receiving a message about not being able to contact server or something to that nature. Now it is causing BSOD's because of the last patch.
CCP, finding the problem with the last patch will stop the BSOD's for most of us. After that is fixed, you need to find what is causing the major lag spikes causing the majority of the recent crashes. It doesn't appear to be related to any single node.
Well anyway, I hope this helps. Please get this fixed soon. Also please permanently gag cairnz. All he has done is pushed ****ed off customers to the edge. I am there and about to fall. EVE has great potential. Don't let it all go to waste now.
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Hikaru Okuda
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Posted - 2003.08.05 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hikaru Okuda on 05/08/2003 08:07:25
What I have noticed watching the graphs on Eve-i is that there have been mass kicks (2000 people or more at a time in some cases). On Friday it happened approximately every hour. Today it has happened at least three or four times while I was watching 2 were within 30 minutes of each other. Watching a high volume channel while in game is telling too--like all of "trade" or "help channel" disappearing suddenly and then spiking back up.
While the rebooting of the computer can be a driver issue or a change caused by the patch, there is no way that 2000 people simultaneously get kicked at the same time is a client side computer config problem. Now there may be some message the servers send that kills a whole bunch of clients at once because of a patch change to the client (rather than the server itself) but that would be a Eve client problem + server problem, not a driver problem.
There are lots of things that can cause CTD's of course. But these mass kicks? That is 99% something on the server side (node, ISP, regional problems in US, UK, etc.). I experienced some of the mass kicks and usually it was "the server closed the connection" and I was at the logon screen again. Then I look at my eve-i graph (that is always running now) and there it is: 2000 people simultaneously kicked. Then you see a brief spike where a bunch of people log back on. Then you see several people log off again. They are probably doing what I do after a kick--as soon as you can log in, find a place to dock (or in the middle of nowhere) and log off for a while.
I have never shied away from a fight... until Friday. If I were ISK-rich and could replace my cruisers 10 times over, sure I'd fight. But with the possibility of losing it due to the mass kick CTD's? No way. That is just too risky. Maybe I'll go back to hunting NPC's in a frigate that I can replace 100 times over. PvP? No way now. I want to see one day--just one day--without one of these mass kicks before I do any more PvP. Every day since Friday has had mass kicks (with Friday, Aug. 1 being the worst).
This is terribly frustrating. And due to bugs like changing to full screen and back causing reboots, etc., some people get rebooted or simple CTD when the mass kick happens. Me it is 70% I go back to the logon screen with "the server disconnected" and 30% CTD, no reboot ever caused by EVE unless I try using alt-enter and then that is 50/50 reboot or have to kill eve process.
Just logging on to check skill training is all I feel safe doing right now.
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Isomerone
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Posted - 2003.08.05 08:02:00 -
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Has anyone seen my fun.ini file? I think that last patch deleted it.
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Inanna
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Posted - 2003.08.05 08:34:00 -
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Well, I will ad my 2cents. I work on computers alot, and I can tell you that your desktop is fine.
My honest opinion is it has to do with the chat channels. I have noticed that the problem happens more when I am viewing more channels or a channel with alot of users like the trade channel. My guess is that there is something wrong with the socket connection or something and when one person logs off, he crashes the people who he is talking to viewing. This in turn starts a chain reaction that those users crash and cause other users to crash to the point where you have like 2000 people kicked off. I guarantee it has nothing to do with drivers, or configuration or anything else on your pc.
This looks to be a heated topic so let the flames begin! LOL!
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.05 08:40:00 -
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Here is the situation -
1) Prior to the last patch, I had NEVER had a CTD/BSOD (from EVE, or any other game).
2) After the patch, I now get seemingly random CTD/BSOD.
3) No other game gives my system any problems at all.
Conclusion:
4) The latest patch messed with the EVE code quite significantly.
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Ace Merrill
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Posted - 2003.08.05 10:08:00 -
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Have to say I agree with everyone on this one.
Sunday night it appeared (at least from checking server stats when i logged in first time and then about 1/2 hour later when EVE dumped me in BSOD hell), that about 2000 players (about 40% of the people on at the time) SIMULTANEOUSLY CTD.
Only word from CCP ever "most CTDs caused by user hardware/drivers." ROFLMAO! (Sound's like Iraqi information minister may have found a new job in a cold climate somewhere...)
And yes, like everyone else, system ran fine until last patch. I've also noticed some disturbing new graphical glitches since this patch.
(Win XP Pro, P4 2.4Ghz, 1Gig RAM, Radeon 9700 pro, Audigy 5.1 surround)
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Trell Artela
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Posted - 2003.08.05 11:55:00 -
[39]
Just for the record: I too have been experiencing CTD's since the last patch, albeit rather infrequently. Probably something like 6 total, in around a couple of dozen on-line hours (since the last patch, that is - never encountered this problem prior to build 1128)
Couldn't find any pattern at all to it though: some occur just after logon, others after a couple of hours. Nor is there any apparent correlation between actions/location/etc and the CTD's. In short: they appear entirely random.
However, I never experienced BSOD's, reboots or anything of the sort; only plain CTD's.
Also, I noticed that the "group CTD's" don't always affect everyone. E.g.: last night I was on-line with a couple of corp members and although all of them CTD'd or even rebooted a few times I continued without any problems whatsoever through it all. So again, no clear pattern.
Lastly, I did notice that the server appeared more laggy than usual around the time last night's CTD's occured within my corp. I was also having problems with the chat window at the time: local chat showed 180+ people in the list though there were only 9 or so in the system.
No clue whether any of this is related to/can help track down the cause of the problem
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Faramir
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:24:00 -
[40]
Ican only nod and agree... since last patch eve is as unstable as ever... plz help!
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.05 12:30:00 -
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Sorry cairnz mate, but i have to disagree with you here.
Mainly for two reasons, since the CTD bug (And in several other cases blue screen reboot) only one thing has changed, and it's not my system.
No since hte new eve patch has these issues occured heavily, and my system has had no alterations to it, logic dictates that it is in fact eve that is "wrong" and not my system.
Unless CCP are willing to argue the fact that i have recently suffered from amnesia and thus cannot remember installing a new graphics card or installing new drivers, just like the rest of the residents of eve.
Sorry bud, its your problem and as a paying customer i demand to see a fix shortly, as to be frank its severly ruining my gamining experience.
Regards
-Necro
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.05 13:45:00 -
[42]
The heat in London could not be the source of the problem could it ?
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.05 15:20:00 -
[43]
LOL! The muppets at C&W perhaps but not even they're dumb enough to turn off the aircon 
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Amacor
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Posted - 2003.08.05 19:57:00 -
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No, heat only makes Network rail think, Ohhh heat makes things expand thats a cool reason to slow down trains and get companies fined, causeing customers fares to go up.... anyway, back to Eve...
who ISN'T this problem? I feel it would be quicker!
Please tell us what you are doing right!
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Arrik
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Posted - 2003.08.05 20:16:00 -
[45]
You may find this interesting, but last night, Diaego of the Polaris was not quite spamming the Help channel with the information that CCP acknowledge the problem, and that it is a problem originating with their servers, and that they have the engineers working on the problem at the moment.
Seems someone out there is listening and passing information onto the right people, even if the Polaris who scan these forums don't.
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Amacor
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Posted - 2003.08.05 20:38:00 -
[46]
Where abouts?
can you give a link for us?
thnx in advance :D
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Ko Dak
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:12:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Ko Dak on 06/08/2003 13:20:29
Edited by: Ko Dak on 06/08/2003 13:20:02
I too have been experiencing CTD and reboots recently with Eve, on some occasions I only get 5 minute play time before it crashes.
I decided to test out the hardware/driver theory by installing Eve onto a completely different system and hey presto...it still crashes.
Do the developers read this news group at all, and if not, how do we notify them of this persistent problem?
Why can't they roll back the patch by one version? Surely whatever they fixed in the latest release can't have been as bad as this!!!
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.08.06 16:37:00 -
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Just about everytime my comp gets rebooted like this scandisk finds at least 4Kbytes in bad sectors or clusters. Everytime it happens just I hope it doesn't get any worse.
Devs please fix this random CTD and reboot before it causes any major problems!
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.08.09 15:45:00 -
[49]
Didn't have any CTD or reboot for a while. Now it's starting up again.
My corp mates have had it happen to them several times in one hour.
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Yuen
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Posted - 2003.08.09 18:12:00 -
[50]
me too, it happen to me and my corp member very randomly and very often :/
Jokers
Jokers : Outnumbered !
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Nifleim
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Posted - 2003.08.10 05:53:00 -
[51]
i came too these forums with hope of a fix
i can see now that many others are experiencing the same crap i am
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Amacor
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:54:00 -
[52]
Yep we are... my free time is ticking away... and I have barely been in the actual game for 5 minutes....
CCP is rather proud to announce that it has been selected as a finalist in the Develop Industry Excellence Awards - Why thank you guy's :)
Perhaps they've been celebrating this?
COME ON CCP, this is WAY PAST a joke now... I'm considering getting out my sale of goods act and consumer rights book... I bought a faulty game.. I want my money back... (I Know the retailer won't and is within legal rightsd to refuse)
and don;t give me any rubbish about my system being the problem. I have a mid range system with NO unusual parts or setups, and it FULLY meets the REq. Spec!
I wouldn;t mind, IF someone from CCP actually got in contact with us, so say they are or aren't working on this issue... Holidays or not, even an Auto responder would have got to me by now.
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Golan
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Posted - 2003.08.12 07:17:00 -
[53]
I've had this problem since beta.
Random reboots
Blue screen memory errors
lock ups
I'm starting to think it's a Direct-X issue that eve just brings out. Or it's server brings it out. I think it's Direct-X that's doing the **** to my system though. It's the ONE thing we all have in common. For some it's sound drivers... for others it's video drivers. The ONE thing we all have is DX9.
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Dragodrone
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Posted - 2003.08.12 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dragodrone on 12/08/2003 11:01:25
You guys wouldn't believe me, but...
.. i play EVE on 2 systems. Means one at work (hehe) and other at home..
Now, i had EVE on for about 7 hours at (09:00 - 18:00 CET). No CTD at all. No problems - nothing - nada !
I guess because at these times, the playercount is about 1000 - 2000 and not 5000 as usual.
When i get at home, i get CTD as later as it gets. (sorry for my poor english)
This is just an info.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.12 14:16:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25334
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25306
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-026.asp
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.html
As of now, the Comcast network is secured against this &*$@#?!!ing thing spreading; this should hopefully include old AT&T broadband as well. However, you might still have the bloody thing, so check your systems. Symantec has, as always, a tool you can use specifically to scan for and spank the little &*$#>!!.
Thus far, resolving this issue has resolved the CTDs and reboots.
It's important to clear this up so, after the dust settles, we can see what (if any) problems remain. Troubleshooting the EvE app with this bastard active will be impossible.
Happy hunting!
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Golan
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Posted - 2003.08.21 07:04:00 -
[56]
An update...
I loaded the audio drivers listed in other post. It fixed all my crashes. I've had these since beta. My system is...
AMD XP-1800+, nForce 1 MB, using Build in audio, GeForce 4 Ti 4600, 1024MB RAM.
Audio drivers fixed everything. Eve Use this and figure out what the real issue is.
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Beltane Kharis
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Posted - 2003.08.22 03:26:00 -
[57]
Updating my sound drivers helped for all of one day(Tuesday) Come today, CTDs and reboots. I can't stay in the game for more than 30 seconds.
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Kasken
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Posted - 2003.08.22 17:43:00 -
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I also get totally ramdom CTD:s, mailed EVE support about this, got a response in 48 hours where they asked me to update my sound driver, i did so, but the prob is still here i`m starting to think this is all "server related" sometimes i can play for hours and hours and sometimes i can`t get in at all, or get CTD after a couple of sec/min.... FRUSTRATING is the word i`m looking for... (sorry for spelling)
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Posted - 2003.09.20 22:15:00 -
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hmm... im worried, my dad bought a brand spankng new computer not so long ago, and its never CTD'd but what im really worried about is that my system just ( only when playing eve ) randomly resets, i mean complete restart right down to the RAM test in the DOS startup, this worries me becuase as i said its a new computer and the error message that i receve when the computer comes back online is 'windows has just recovered from a SERIOUS system error' now that dont sound too good. Whats up with the DEV team?!? there are more of them than there are on Americas Army ( and thats a free game ) yet they seem to do less work and awnser less posts/topics we need an awnser now! why are these thing happening?
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Dawn
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Posted - 2003.09.21 12:06:00 -
[60]
I too am having this problem real bad, it is not uncommon for me to CTD or have a system reboot at least7 times in an hour since this last patch. One thing I am noticing now is that my memory usage goes through the roof in just 15 minutes. Major memory leaks with this latest patch. This would explain the massive lag that builds up right before the CTD or reboot alot of the time. Before the patch, my memory usage was at around 250 - 300 MB and now it is not uncommen to see it shoot upto or past 800 MB. I have not made any changes to my system. The only change is this last patch.
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fujin
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Posted - 2003.09.21 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: fujin on 21/09/2003 21:26:09
Anyone here think cairnz is the bug i mean that
realy was a heafty load of smelly bs he handed us
system
xp2400
ati 9500 pro
1gig 333 fsb non intel ram
30gig 10,000 rpm hdd seril 150
audigy 2 platnum
iv ben haveing the ctd problem all day long
things are getin ugly an if they dont start
goin good ima just use this game till world of warcraft comes out
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:41:00 -
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I realise this is an old thread, but i gotta add to it.
I just got a new pc and adsl almost purely for this game, old one kept jamming up, turning off etc while on Eve and just surfing in general.
New pc, Windows XP, Radeon 9200, 552ddr ram etc, its worse than b4. Im suffering constant ctds, jamming and Total sys reboots.
Looks like im not alone either. It bugs me to be paying cash each month for a service this bad, 3 days of it since new pc and its driving me nuts.
"Crashman" Weyland as im now called in corp
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Aurelius Zarander
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Posted - 2003.10.05 21:52:00 -
[63]
I have been getting reboots after i launched scouting drones and ordered to attack them..
I can't remember having these problems before 
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Vasudan
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Posted - 2003.10.06 07:34:00 -
[64]
I can now sympathise with all these people.
Recently upgraded my system, new nforce board and an audigy among many parts. Never had a problem with CTD's before and now I can't get more than an hour without one.
Now this conflicts with the "random" aspect, I've obviously incorporated a piece of hardware that EVE does not agree with, my money is on teh board or the soundcard. I've updated all the drivers as best I can.
Going to give this realtek codec thing a go, I'm not using the onboard sound but I'm willing to try anything.
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Dr Snarl
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Posted - 2003.10.06 21:21:00 -
[65]
I wonder if its a problem with the nForce card.
I have an ABIT NF7-S v2 (nForce chip) in conjunction with radeon pro 9700.
I crash after about 5 mins of play in eve.
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Vasudan
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Posted - 2003.10.07 01:16:00 -
[66]
Anyone else running nforce motherboards?
Maybe we can find a common hadware issue here.
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Hawk Tengu
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:53:00 -
[67]
CTD's for me seem to mostly occur when I enter warp, leave warp, dock at station, leave station and jump into new system. In all cases updates should be going to and from the server at a rapid pace to update the location data.
It occurred to me that the CTD's could be a network related problem - either LAG related or maybe even driver related to the network card. I'm betting on LAG as it's the most common factor between all people.
This could be why CCP is upgrading their hardware. Though my worry is that it has nothing to do with the server and everything to do with bandwidth. The client maybe fast and the Servers may be fast, but if it takes 4 seconds for the data to arrive at the client due to limited bandwidth how are you going to fix it?
Just something to think about.
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