**** off Daniel Plain. You add nothing.

Just acknowledging this thread still, so you know we are here. We're talking about all of your feedback right now. Investigating, talking things through, and prioritizing what we need to do.

Omnathious Deninard, the NPE/Tutorial stuff is still to come for the changes.

Hey all.

Lovely feedback. Keep it coming.
You've identified several defects and made us rethink some of our design decisions. This is what the test server is all about.
Paradox has a list of the known issues in the OP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2995203

Some examples of what the team has been discussing based on this thread:


The purpose of Deep Space Probes is to give you a quick scan of the solar system before you start probing things down. The new system overlay already gives you this information without needing probes so Deep Space Probes are no longer needed.

Most people seemed to be using 7 probes. Additionally, that number lends itself much better to isometric shapes which are easy to identify and assemble. Fixing it at 7 probes was done to simplify things for less experienced players and reduce micromanagement of probes. The overwhelming consensus in this thread is that you want the 8th probe back, so we are now working on putting it back.

Pretty much. Unless you've got local.

Speak for yourself. Dragging the range bubble to autosnap both the location as well as the range is amazing. Increasing the base Sig strength so I can filter 90% of the sigs with a 4AU scan around a planet is amazing.

for lazy scrubs like you, maybe.
for people who actually like exploration and want it to involve at least minimal effort, not so much.

Well, if that was the case, we would only create a single method and prohibit all others, which we are not doing.



All I'm saying is that we only have so much bandwidth and we chose to focus our attention on one method, while still aiming to keep as many of the others possible as we can. The key difference here is that while we can strife to keep the options possible, we can't promise to keep them viable. For the most part they should be - the fact you can launch many probes at once for instance should speed up any method you use. Moving your probes into a formation of your own making should also in most cases be no harder or more time consuming than with the current system. You should not be fighting the interface any more than you do currently, etc.



We're not telling people they HAVE to scan in only one way. There is still plenty of wiggle room to improvise and do things your way. On the other hand, the lack of focus of the system is one of the major pain points people have in learning the system and providing them with easier way to learn it is very beneficial IMO. Also, we do plan to allow people to save their own formations at some point, we just don't have time to implement it for Odyssey, but its been in the design from the start. We aim to add it in a point release if time permits.

-- THIS.
You took away a part of gameplay, which often was a source of some player interactions. Please give it back.

BTW, currently on SiSi if you manually call your probes back you have to wait before they return. But if you just leave the system, you get them back instantly. Very odd, if not more.

p.s. The same about probes' lifespan. They need to be mortal. By the same reasons.

Fixing things that weren't broken in the first place is what the real world likes to call enhancement and progress...to put that into perspective. Google is not broken the way it is...it could sit happily where its at and make a killing, but they are choosing to enhance and expand the company by introducing Google Fibre. Sooo yeah occasionally one must make changes to something not because its broken but because its old. I mean technically I have a computer with 1 gig of ram and running XP. It isn't broken, I can do some pretty nifty stuff on it and it serves me well very functionally, BUT I can also gut it, replace it with better hardware, and get a better performing computer. If I never touched it because it simply was functional...it would never get any better and quite frankly neither would this game.

[...]However, the visual presentation/representation of that mechanic has been enhanced in the form of UI. Thus your chess scenario is actually proving my point.

blablablathischangewillbenefitnewplayersblablabla

Funny story.

When the current system was implemented every explorer wanted them to undo that as well as it "dumbed down" probing... Second generation DSP was condidered game breaking making exploration too easy for casual players, but CCP insisted on having them as they fixed an earlier issue: Noone could tell if a system actually had anything to scan in it, this WAS a problem as signatures where only shown after a scan on a succesfull random check against signature strength. So sigs with low strengths would ususally not even show up in results. DSP's first generation was just a probe (The Multispectral probe) that told you if any sigs of a given type was in the system. The new one that people explorers found game breaking was the current one that actually showed you every sigle signature in its range. The second change that made it easy mode was that probes where no longer signal type and size specific. Yeah, you should use Ladar probes to scan gas sites, Radar probes for Hacking sites, etc.. Each scan range had its own probe type. So you had to load a gazillion different probes to succesfully scan anything (4 AU Ladar Scan Probe etc. Lol.). And dont even get me started on the hate on the visual triagulation system where you had to micromanage probes... Oh, the flame hate that generated.

I wasn't to happy about the changes back then either. Where CCP right though? Yeah. Your guys love for the current system shows that. Despite the hate from the exploration pro's at the time the changes where actually for the greater good. So, give them a chance.

As an old timer (10 years on TQ this very day) I find it very hilarious that many of the same arguments are being used against this new version.

Is this new system perfect?

No.

Is it "the end of the world" "unsalvageble garbage"?

No.

4/10s are T1 cruiser sites, so this change very welcome indeed. It's EVE telling you to leave hisec sites for the new players they were designed for.

This is the way and mentality of the hisec bear. Killing noobs instead of helping them. gg

Nice! Good move, this keeps many tactics in game.

However, I still think that a HUGE part of EVE's flavour is the ability to make stupid and costly mistakes, and that the current pop-up warning about forgotten probes is better than auto-recall.