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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:34:00 -
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Cierejai wrote:The reason women get a bad rap in gaming is because they bring gender and identity politics into gaming.
People just want to play the game, not listen to some personal drama.
I will admit i have never heard this said about female gamers before, and i will also admit im not sure weather or not you you are serious.
Do female players have real life drama they need/want to went about once in a while? Of course! Do male players have real life drama they need/want to went about once in a while? Yes again!
Im sure there are some players out there that really does not want to mention anything about real life, or think about real life while they are playing the game. And for these people i can understand that its frustrating to have a corp/guild/cabal/whatever chat that is blinking because someone is talking about how they are feeling awful because they have the flu. But saying that its only female gamers that do these things i can not agree with one bit.
But of course it is possible that when a guy whines about his wife not bringing his food fast enough its "ok", because thats just a man that is pointing out how lazy his wife is and can lead to some good stories on how other wifes/girlfriends are just as bad as his 
Now if what you are saying is the a female gamer can not be put in a situation where they are in charge of something because they will let their emotions affect their decisions... Maybe to some extent, but i also think that this is a problem that both genders have. If there is someone you dont like it does not matter if your a female or a male, you will treat that person differently. If there is a group of players you dont like males and females will treat that group differently. But in most cases people will be able to recognize these emotions, and understand that they have to think about the issue beyond them selfes and their own personal opinions.
I will however admit that there has been times where i let my emotions have a bigger impact on my decisions while playing EVE as an example. If a recruit tries to join the corp and i dont like said recruit for one reason or another (something he said, how he worded him self, comments that makes me question his motives, or just seems to have a bad attitude and i have to question if he would be able to fit into the corp) i will reject his application. Is it possible that i just turned down an awesome recruit that could have done a lot of good for the corp? Sure there is, but in some cases i prefer to let my emotions and "gut feeling" take control and trust that my feelings about that person is accurate 
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Cierejai
Biofuel Productions
42
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:42:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:Cierejai wrote:The reason women get a bad rap in gaming is because they bring gender and identity politics into gaming.
People just want to play the game, not listen to some personal drama.
I will admit i have never heard this said about female gamers before, and i will also admit im not sure weather or not you you are serious. Do female players have real life drama they need/want to went about once in a while? Of course! Do male players have real life drama they need/want to went about once in a while? Yes again! Im sure there are some players out there that really does not want to mention anything about real life, or think about real life while they are playing the game. And for these people i can understand that its frustrating to have a corp/guild/cabal/whatever chat that is blinking because someone is talking about how they are feeling awful because they have the flu. But saying that its only female gamers that do these things i can not agree with one bit. But of course it is possible that when a guy whines about his wife not bringing his food fast enough its "ok", because thats just a man that is pointing out how lazy his wife is and can lead to some good stories on how other wifes/girlfriends are just as bad as his  Now if what you are saying is the a female gamer can not be put in a situation where they are in charge of something because they will let their emotions affect their decisions... Maybe to some extent, but i also think that this is a problem that both genders have. If there is someone you dont like it does not matter if your a female or a male, you will treat that person differently. If there is a group of players you dont like males and females will treat that group differently. But in most cases people will be able to recognize these emotions, and understand that they have to think about the issue beyond them selfes and their own personal opinions. I will however admit that there has been times where i let my emotions have a bigger impact on my decisions while playing EVE as an example. If a recruit tries to join the corp and i dont like said recruit for one reason or another (something he said, how he worded him self, comments that makes me question his motives, or just seems to have a bad attitude and i have to question if he would be able to fit into the corp) i will reject his application. Is it possible that i just turned down an awesome recruit that could have done a lot of good for the corp? Sure there is, but in some cases i prefer to let my emotions and "gut feeling" take control and trust that my feelings about that person is accurate 
I guess I should of made a clarification.
It is a VERY vocal minority of women that act in that way, and a broad generalization sweeps all women under the same rug.
Stereotyping at it's finest.
However the onus is on the loudmouths to change not everyone else. |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
508
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:54:00 -
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Cierejai wrote: I guess I should of made a clarification.
It is a VERY vocal minority of women that act in that way, and a broad generalization sweeps all women under the same rug. These are the women that make their sole defining characteristic the fact they have a vagina and play games.
Stereotyping at it's finest.
However the onus is on the loudmouths to change not everyone else.
Or people could try to not put so much trust into stereotypes 
But yes i get what you are saying and im sure with there being less female gamers on average things like this gets pointed out and..escalated? more and thus enforcing the idea that all female players will act or think in the same way 
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Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
158
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:37:00 -
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Some of the women in gaming are more concerned with playing the game rather than being "women gamers". Case in point, I got booted from the WGoE channel in-game after fanfest because I couldn't be bother to do another TS Interview, despite having been in that channel for years and met several of the members in real life (including Fanfest 2013). I think it's great that the channel exists, but I personally paid little attention to it as most of its members didn't play eve at the same level as I do and I was more focused on playing the game.
Also, I can confirm that Seliine is the most feared housewife in EVE.
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Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
17
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:30:00 -
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Should I expect an obligatory 15 minute segment about how hard it is for women in the video gaming world?
Should I expect a scene of a single mother just trying to make ends meet but can't because of glass ceilings in the industry?
Should I expect a segment where it talks about women being judge for their looks or voice in these games?
Should I expect a part about how they are always sexualised in these games, and as such leads to many becoming depressed?
Should I expect to feel terrible as a man after watching it?
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Daradz Navagel
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:13:00 -
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Agustice Arterius wrote:Should I expect an obligatory 15 minute segment about how hard it is for women in the video gaming world?
Should I expect a scene of a single mother just trying to make ends meet but can't because of glass ceilings in the industry?
Should I expect a segment where it talks about women being judge for their looks or voice in these games?
Should I expect a part about how they are always sexualised in these games, and as such leads to many becoming depressed?
Should I expect to feel terrible as a man after watching it?
No one is making you watch it.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
2494
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:53:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:Cierejai wrote: I guess I should of made a clarification.
It is a VERY vocal minority of women that act in that way, and a broad generalization sweeps all women under the same rug. These are the women that make their sole defining characteristic the fact they have a vagina and play games.
Stereotyping at it's finest.
However the onus is on the loudmouths to change not everyone else.
Or people could try to not put so much trust into stereotypes  But yes i get what you are saying and im sure with there being less female gamers on average things like this gets pointed out and..escalated? more and thus enforcing the idea that all female players will act or think in the same way 
lol
it's been my experience in my years of gaming that the more loudly and often a player proclaims to be a female, the more they attempt to manipulate for special treatment, the more they use innuendo as a weapon to gain advantage...the more likely it is that they have a **** and balls between their legs irl.
stereotyping may be unfair...but we must admit that they do exist for a reason.
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Athena Olympia
Garden Of The Gods Divinity.
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Posted - 2013.05.11 12:50:00 -
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Pallidum Treponema wrote:Some of the women in gaming are more concerned with playing the game rather than being "women gamers". Case in point, I got booted from the WGoE channel in-game after fanfest because I couldn't be bother to do another TS Interview, despite having been in that channel for years and met several of the members in real life (including Fanfest 2013). I think it's great that the channel exists, but I personally paid little attention to it as most of its members didn't play eve at the same level as I do and I was more focused on playing the game.
Also, I can confirm that Seliine is the most feared housewife in EVE.
Pallidum, thank you for the comments. The moderator team and membership met and felt that a "spring cleaning" was warranted. All members, including yourself were welcome to attend, email or post to the forums. We announced the spring cleaning and gave a month's notice. We waited until the last day of the month - two full weeks after the cutoff date was announced - to actually do the spring cleaning. There were moderators in attendance at FanFest, who could have vouched for you or any other woman wanting to join (and did assist those that actively wanted to be in the channel). In the four years I've been in the channel I can't recall ever seeing you in there, but there is a lot of names to keep track of to be fair.
Several eve mails were sent to the mailing list, put in the channel motd and listed on the WGOE forums. One of the main reasons for the cleaning was that through time accounts were sold that still maintained access. The entire moderator staff made themselves available to assist any women who wanted to remain in the channel.
The WGOE channel attracts both brand new players and old/experienced players. Due to this the conversations vary in content and we try to keep it free of politics. Most of the conversations are laid back and casual. Of course this can make it seem like the channel is filled with players who are not serious gamers, but if you show info on the members you will often see that they are members of well known alliances, or have a leadership position in their corps/alliances/coalitions. It is very understandable that some girls (yourself included) do not see the purpose or enjoyment of having access to WGOE, but there are those that do and we as moderators do our best to protect their privacy. Many women from the channel have commented that it's a nice break from the normal channels they are in; they can let their hair down so to speak. Being a serious gamer doesn't always mean you have to be serious all the time, and for some of the girls it's about being silly and laughing/blowing off steam with other women in the game.
I hope this clears up any confusion about the situation and the steps that were taken. It is not my desire to highjack this post or the discussions evolved from it so this will be the only time I offer an explanation. However, I did want to take the opportunity to clarify why things happened the way they did based on your post.
You are always welcome at WGOE - just join wgoe=public and any moderator can assist you.
Athena
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11528
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Posted - 2013.05.11 12:57:00 -
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Athena Olympia wrote:Pallidum Treponema wrote:Some of the women in gaming are more concerned with playing the game rather than being "women gamers". Case in point, I got booted from the WGoE channel in-game after fanfest because I couldn't be bother to do another TS Interview, despite having been in that channel for years and met several of the members in real life (including Fanfest 2013). I think it's great that the channel exists, but I personally paid little attention to it as most of its members didn't play eve at the same level as I do and I was more focused on playing the game.
Also, I can confirm that Seliine is the most feared housewife in EVE.
Pallidum, thank you for the comments. The moderator team and membership met and felt that a "spring cleaning" was warranted. All members, including yourself were welcome to attend, email or post to the forums. We announced the spring cleaning and gave a month's notice. We waited until the last day of the month - two full weeks after the cutoff date was announced - to actually do the spring cleaning. There were moderators in attendance at FanFest, who could have vouched for you or any other woman wanting to join (and did assist those that actively wanted to be in the channel). In the four years I've been in the channel I can't recall ever seeing you in there, but there is a lot of names to keep track of to be fair. Several eve mails were sent to the mailing list, put in the channel motd and listed on the WGOE forums. One of the main reasons for the cleaning was that through time accounts were sold that still maintained access. The entire moderator staff made themselves available to assist any women who wanted to remain in the channel. The WGOE channel attracts both brand new players and old/experienced players. Due to this the conversations vary in content and we try to keep it free of politics. Most of the conversations are laid back and casual. Of course this can make it seem like the channel is filled with players who are not serious gamers, but if you show info on the members you will often see that they are members of well known alliances, or have a leadership position in their corps/alliances/coalitions. It is very understandable that some girls (yourself included) do not see the purpose or enjoyment of having access to WGOE, but there are those that do and we as moderators do our best to protect their privacy. Many women from the channel have commented that it's a nice break from the normal channels they are in; they can let their hair down so to speak. Being a serious gamer doesn't always mean you have to be serious all the time, and for some of the girls it's about being silly and laughing/blowing off steam with other women in the game. I hope this clears up any confusion about the situation and the steps that were taken. It is not my desire to highjack this post or the discussions evolved from it so this will be the only time I offer an explanation. However, I did want to take the opportunity to clarify why things happened the way they did based on your post. You are always welcome at WGOE - just join wgoe=public and any moderator can assist you. Athena
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