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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1021
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:49:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:im not okay with the fact he can choose to attack me, with no consequences. It's not CCP's job to give him consequences during a war dec, it's yours. He paid 50mil for the right to attack you freely anywhere for one week; the ball's in your court now, chump. CCP has no sense of humour. |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
33
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:50:00 -
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Some people are just dicks and have nothing better to do.
I sympathize with you but posting this on the forums will do nothing but bring out the "EVE is hard" crowd that loves to circle jerk that fact all over each other. My advice is to simply ignore the guy - put him on your watch list and when he comes online, keep an eye out in local and never go back into a system he knows you might visit. Remember, it costs HIM money to keep the war open. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1354
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:56:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:Imp D wrote:That vaga pilot has put alot more time into this game than you..
you are complaining that you have no chance against him 1v1? If you did have a chance against him 1v1 he would be within his rights to complain. he has put time and isk into his toon you have not. This is eve online not hello kitty online. no youre missing the point, im fine with not having a chance against him in 1v1. im not okay with the fact he can choose to attack me, with no consequences. you've missed the point completely. now to make sure no one quotes this and tells me to get a griffen and do all that EW stuff to him and win, as easy as it sounds. i know that is now a possibility, but i didnt know that at the time.
Find a better corp. Yes I know it sounds flip but it may be the truth.
I still remember my noob days. I joined a corp, and about 10 days into my EVE career got a wardec. I asked my corpies what I could do as a 10 day old total noob. They told me what station to fly to where they were going to base out of. They asked what I could fly (not much) and when I arrived at the station I had 15 fully fit Incurses waiting for me.
1. This helped offset costs. These T1 fit ships cost them nothing in comparison. 2. It quickly showed me how to fit a ship.
We then went out and they basically told me to tackled whatever the FC told me to.
I still recall the first battle. We fought them on the undock. I suddently was surrounded by flashes and explosions all around. It was utter chaos. I jumped into the thick of it, tackling and plinking with my T1 blasters. Then the other guys undocked their neutral logi and the call was made to warp off. Somehow I missed that call and was suddenly like "where is everyone" I spammed warp and got out in structure.
I yelled into comms "THAT WAS F**KING AWESOME" and pretty much everyone in corp laughed their asses off.
THAT was a noob friendly corp, and made my first 2 weeks in eve freaking awesome.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
439
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:58:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote: I sympathize with you but posting this on the forums will do nothing but bring out the "EVE is hard" crowd that loves to circle jerk that fact all over each other. My advice is to simply ignore the guy - put him on your watch list and when he comes online, keep an eye out in local and never go back into a system he knows you might visit. Remember, it costs HIM money to keep the war open.
You are most likely a taxslave scam CEO trying to maintain your BS income. Some people are just dicks and have nothing better to do.
In the event that you are not, and for the enlightenment of the OP I will repost the following brilliant summation of the highsec problem. This is wisdom, not an attack on the OP.
Cipher7 wrote:It's not the wardeccer griefing the new player.
It's the new player's corp and CEO griefing the new player.
WHY are you hiring new players to join your corp, when you do not have the time, resources or experience to train them, defend them or field fleets?
If you cannot field PvP fleet you should NOT have a corporation.
The act of making a corporation is saying, "Yes, we are ready to fight."
Why would you do that, and then drag newbies into that, IF YOU CANNOT FIELD ANY FLEETS.
You get all these schitty little 12 man corps run by some gimp "experienced" CEO dragging newbies into his schitty little corp, getting wardecced, smacked around, lose ships, can't fly around or learn the game.
And WHY.
Because some schitty guy wants to be a CEO of his own schitty corp and drags newbs into that schit.
The "dev" solution to wardec griefing is to require 1 billion isk and 50 killmails to start your own corp. If you cannot collect 1b and 50 killmails easily, then you are not prepared to be a CEO of anything.
Truth ----^ -áImmersion = gameplayer self worth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsEPP3YQcxQ |
Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
1729
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:00:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:Some people are just dicks and have nothing better to do.
I sympathize with you but posting this on the forums will do nothing but bring out the "EVE is hard" crowd that loves to circle jerk that fact all over each other. My advice is to simply ignore the guy - put him on your watch list and when he comes online, keep an eye out in local and never go back into a system he knows you might visit. Remember, it costs HIM money to keep the war open.
Look at that...
Another future war target in the same thread. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
33
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:02:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Zak Breen wrote:Some people are just dicks and have nothing better to do.
I sympathize with you but posting this on the forums will do nothing but bring out the "EVE is hard" crowd that loves to circle jerk that fact all over each other. My advice is to simply ignore the guy - put him on your watch list and when he comes online, keep an eye out in local and never go back into a system he knows you might visit. Remember, it costs HIM money to keep the war open. Look at that... Another future war target in the same thread.
You should really clean yourself up from all that circle jerking - it's starting to smell. |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
55
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:30:00 -
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Play station games. Meta 1 buffer tank your ship, undock, redock ,undock, redock. |
Ryu Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
61
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:27:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote: im not okay with the fact he can choose to attack me, with no consequences. you've missed the point completely.
So after reading all the good advice you've received in this thread you still think you're a victim? I've got to believe you're fishing for CCP to come help you, instead of trying to help yourself, at this point. |
Ami-Lee Elongur
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:33:00 -
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Let me help you out. Stand up, look straight ahead. Are you doing it? Good.
Now look straight up. The massive towering wall you see is actually the Eve learning curve.
Climb or don't, no one wil come to your rescue.
Crying on forums will just make your tears taste sweeter. Keep your head down, attach yourself to a competent well lead and classy corporation and start the climb up the almost vertical curve.
If not. Can I has your stuff? |
Skeln Thargensen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:34:00 -
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OP, you know you can just drop your corp and go into an NPC holding corp? NPC corps are undeccable and therefore can protect newer players from this kind of behaviour. freelance space bum |
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Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
275
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:54:00 -
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It's a big universe. Go where he isn't.
You know the names of every pilot in the corp that war dec'd you - so put them on a watch list and watch for them in local.
Other than that, go about your EVE activities like normal.
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Adunh Slavy
760
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:14:00 -
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Fit a few frigs, insure them and go fight and have fun with it, or sit in a station and don't have fun.
Target your enemy and shoot him. If you land a hit, declare victory for that fight and smack talk. "Hah, I shot you! you suck, can't even defend your self from a noob! lol LOOOSER!" Don't worry about your ship melting around you. You're six days old, you're going to loose the fight.
Everyone dies in Eve and gets stuff blown up. The sooner you learn this, the lot less expensive it'll be when you die later. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1511
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:16:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Zak Breen wrote:Some people are just dicks and have nothing better to do.
I sympathize with you but posting this on the forums will do nothing but bring out the "EVE is hard" crowd that loves to circle jerk that fact all over each other. My advice is to simply ignore the guy - put him on your watch list and when he comes online, keep an eye out in local and never go back into a system he knows you might visit. Remember, it costs HIM money to keep the war open. Look at that... Another future war target in the same thread. You should really clean yourself up from all that circle jerking - it's starting to smell.
You might consider educating yourself about Cannibal Kane.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog
The Green Mouse
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:54:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Fit a few frigs, insure them and go fight and have fun with it, or sit in a station and don't have fun.
Target your enemy and shoot him. If you land a hit, declare victory for that fight and smack talk. "Hah, I shot you! you suck, can't even defend your self from a noob! lol LOOOSER!" Don't worry about your ship melting around you. You're six days old, you're going to loose the fight.
Everyone dies in Eve and gets stuff blown up. The sooner you learn this, the lot less expensive it'll be when you die later.
that is great advice, i havent been reading the posts for a cupple of hours because i've been making myself an army, so far i've made 6 atrons fitted as tacklers, 3 Navitas fitted with 3 remote reppers and im now working on my 3 EW ships.. so far my 9 ships has cost me less than 6 mil, ofcourse they suck, anyone with a t1 frig with meta 4 fits could solo each of them, but i have 9 now. not im going to keep them in my hangar, and give them away to corp mates who wants to go hunting with me. these war targets are screwed.
thank you all for constructive criticism, it has taught me a lot, especially the guys who contacted me in game to give me even more advice.
then thoes who say i gave up and just went to the forums and waited for CCP to help me out, yes that was the original goal, that didnt mean i had given up, that was me outsmarting the war targets, even tho you saw it as cowarding. i recruited help! that guy who has found 2 future war targets in here, dont be a douchbag and wardec my corp, i dont want that, but instead, find me in game and ill duel you, bring your t2 fitted daredevil and blow a 600k isk atron out of the skys and feel big about yourself, your epeen must be tiny, i'd happily donate a ship to make you feel big and strong. -á- A-10 Thunderbolt II |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
33
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:30:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Zak Breen wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Zak Breen wrote:Some people are just dicks and have nothing better to do.
I sympathize with you but posting this on the forums will do nothing but bring out the "EVE is hard" crowd that loves to circle jerk that fact all over each other. My advice is to simply ignore the guy - put him on your watch list and when he comes online, keep an eye out in local and never go back into a system he knows you might visit. Remember, it costs HIM money to keep the war open. Look at that... Another future war target in the same thread. You should really clean yourself up from all that circle jerking - it's starting to smell. You might consider educating yourself about Cannibal Kane.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:42:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:...nerf hisec tears...
If you don't want to be wardecced, stay in an NPC corp.
OR...
Join a corp that can defend itself (and you).
OR...
HTFU
The answer is NOT more hisec nerfs. Calling for nerfs will make more people want to shoot you in the face. http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8260
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:48:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote: that is great advice, i havent been reading the posts for a cupple of hours because i've been making myself an army, so far i've made 6 atrons fitted as tacklers, 3 Navitas fitted with 3 remote reppers and im now working on my 3 EW ships.. so far my 9 ships has cost me less than 6 mil, ofcourse they suck, anyone with a t1 frig with meta 4 fits could solo each of them, but i have 9 now. not im going to keep them in my hangar, and give them away to corp mates who wants to go hunting with me. these war targets are screwed.
thank you all for constructive criticism, it has taught me a lot, especially the guys who contacted me in game to give me even more advice.
Your attitude has improved since your first post, you now have the right idea, when you lose your ships, and you will lose them, PM your opponent, he may be willing to tell you where you went wrong in your tactics and fit. Don't forget to offer up a GF in local.
Quote:i recruited help! that guy who has found 2 future war targets in here, dont be a douchbag and wardec my corp, i dont want that, but instead, find me in game and ill duel you, bring your t2 fitted daredevil and blow a 600k isk atron out of the skys and feel big about yourself, your epeen must be tiny, i'd happily donate a ship to make you feel big and strong. You would do well to actually speak to Cannibal Kane instead of insulting him, he specialises in asymmetrical warfare and space terrorism, and may well be able to offer advice, or even help. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:58:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:...This is where the fun stops... Perhaps the fun has ended, but this is where EvE truly starts. Up till now you have been choosing your path... what you do, but that is only part of EvE... a smaller part. The true heart of EvE is adapting to what other player force onto you.
Another player or group of players are forcing you to adapt. If you adapt, EvE will be fun again.
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Tshaowdyne Dvorak
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
62
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:23:00 -
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Your corp has the wrong attitude about this situation. You were war decced because your enemy believes your corp is weak and easy pickings. They're probably right. The proper attitude to have is to look for them instead of waiting for them to look for you. If you realize that your corp won't back up its players with force and take the dec as a sign that you are going out to have some fun at the expense of a corp dumb enough to dec you, your corp has nothing to teach you about PvP. Your corp should be making them wish the war they started could be over sooner so they can go back to shooting at people who are too lame to ever shoot back.
Since you feel like "but... it's for the rookies!" then you should probably be getting the indication that a corp who can't teach their newbies isn't a corp worth being in. There are lots of much stronger corps out there who can teach you how to play this game and take on new pilots all the time. Ditch your corp full of zeroes and go fleet with some heroes. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1284
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:32:00 -
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Your 26 man corporation is at war with a 1 man corporation that consists entirely of 1 guys in a vagabond and his CEO alt. That's not something that is difficult to deal with, even with low SP characters.
If you and your 25 buddies can't deal with that then you have no business being in a corporation. |
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Ryu Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
62
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:34:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote: that guy who has found 2 future war targets in here, dont be a douchbag and wardec my corp, i dont want that, but instead, find me in game and ill duel you, bring your t2 fitted daredevil and blow a 600k isk atron out of the skys and feel big about yourself, your epeen must be tiny, i'd happily donate a ship to make you feel big and strong.
Hey man, you haven't done much space-violence in EVE yet so I think most people will give you a pass on that comment. What you're going to discover, if you choose to fight, is that the people you shoot and get shoot by tend to be the ones you respect the most. Unless you know... they are cowards.
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:34:00 -
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This is why: 1. You don't leave the newbie corp until you have people who can protect you 2. You don't leave the newbie corp until you are ready for war-decks 3. You try to keep one alt in a newbie corp so you can still do something
You might want to just leave your current corp and rejoin it after the war is over. BTW, are any of your corpmates on? If so, why aren't they in your system trying to bail you out? I can has blogging skills! |
Zephyrial
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:52:00 -
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Okay, I will admit I haven't read much of this thread, so maybe the ideas are already in here....
1) If you can get out of station and into warp w/o him tackling you, you can run all over the known (hi sec) universe and he won't be able to touch you. Pods are amazingly hard to tackle. You also learn quite a bit about the mechanics of undocking, when to warp, timers on stargates, etc. I am assuming you have nothing plugged in your head and the clones at your level are still free? So podding is absolutely, utterly free if that is the case. Leave your ship safely in station and see if you can escape his camp. If you do get podded, you will reappear wherever you clone is, which might be far away and allow you to play elsewhere.
2) Make a point to waste as much of his time as possible. Stay logged on in station, but go read a book, do laundry, make dinner, take a shower, whatever. Maybe undock in your pod and go re-dock in another station in system. Do NOT log off when you go to bed/school/work/whatever.
3) Do not say a single solitary word to him. You seemed to already have done this, but now he knows he is making you unhappy. Do not ever give anyone the satisfaction. The silent treatment. Even if you die in your pod (or ship) do not utter a word. Griefers (or noob corp dec'rs) thrive on tears. Even if they are not truly 'tears', he will see them that way. If he tries to chat, don't refuse, just leave it in a little window in the corner. He won't know if you are even there or not. OR even better (and this has worked), set your CSPA fee (is there still one?) to a high number and accept the chat, forcing him to give up some isk (1 mil used to be the max?).
4) Create a trial account (not sure on the current rules re: this) and place on the trial toon for a while. If you go to the same station, I think you can trade goods directly in station and can also keep an eye on the dec'r if you want. If you don't want to create a trial account, create a second toon on your existing account and play on it. Eventually, if you stick with the game, you will be using at least two, if not all three, of your accounts anyway.
Finally, on the overall issue of protecting the noob, then the noob has to also be prevented from being useful. If you were in a larger corp, you could be very effective currently as a scout or even a tackler. Would it be 'fair' to protect you as a noob while still allowing you to be an effective asset?
Btw, a Vagabond (properly fit) is a frigate killer extraordinaire...don't both sending suicide frigs at it.
Even when you have 6 months or a year or whatever under your belt, unless you have enough buds with you, you will spend a lot of time holed up in a station waiting out a war target. Practice now :). |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1284
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:47:00 -
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My highsec wardec/mercenary corp has, on several occasions had new players in it. In fact when we formed it we were all pretty new.
As a new player friendly organization it should be against the rules to declare war on us.
OP is dumb. |
DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:52:00 -
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I get killing someone for profit, but isn't clubbing seals rather sociopathic and cowardly?
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Skeln Thargensen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:09:00 -
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DeAira Skord wrote:I get killing someone for profit, but isn't clubbing seals rather sociopathic and cowardly?
yes, but while you can live by that you can't make other people. and this game does appeal to those who favour douchebaggery and asshattery it cannot be denied.
much better to call them CHEAP though. freelance space bum |
Equinsu-Ocha Warthog
The Green Mouse
3
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:19:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:My highsec wardec/mercenary corp has, on several occasions had new players in it. In fact when we formed it we were all pretty new.
As a new player friendly organization it should be against the rules to declare war on us.
OP is dumb.
well, as a new player i didnt think of that. i never said my suggestion was a perfect fix, i didnt even say it was a fix, it was just a suggestion, and you've missed my point completely. you're pretty dumb to assume that. however im not going to try and explain the issue here, because you're clealy oblivious to the real issue here. -á- A-10 Thunderbolt II |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2747
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:45:00 -
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DeAira Skord wrote:I get killing someone for profit, but isn't clubbing seals rather sociopathic and cowardly?
Since the advent of this game, there are a lot less new cars getting keyed, less dogs being shot with pellet guns, and less incidence of road rage brought on from people matching the speed of a slow truck while blocking the passing lane and pointing and leering at the people stuck behind them.
CCP means "Crowd Control Productions" for a reason. Here there be.... asshats who, where there no litterbox to play in, would be messing things up in the real world where it's already hard enough to "have anything nice" or go from point A to point B without finding yourself wishing for a nuclear war or global plague.
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i-AA
Cream Pie Carpet Munchers
1
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:21:00 -
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stfu and gtfo |
Lenda Shinhwa
New Order Logistics CODE.
9
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:44:00 -
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Equinsu-Ocha Warthog wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:My highsec wardec/mercenary corp has, on several occasions had new players in it. In fact when we formed it we were all pretty new.
As a new player friendly organization it should be against the rules to declare war on us.
OP is dumb. well, as a new player i didnt think of that. i never said my suggestion was a perfect fix, i didnt even say it was a fix, it was just a suggestion, and you've missed my point completely. you're pretty dumb to assume that. however im not going to try and explain the issue here, because you're clealy oblivious to the real issue here.
I can only assume now that you were sent to the forums to troll for more wardecs. |
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